When is it time to let go of a reunion or an older lineup?

[volcano62]

I want to see a Reunion, just to see all the Axl nutters have a meltdown: ''Axl...reunion...with Cancer?....but...must...criticise...Cancer. Warning. Warning. Overdrive. Overdrive'' boom.

You have weird fantasies

[Rdeyahlxp]

Boo fucking hoo he lied against the press 18 years ago.

[gunnari]

I will ALWAYS dream of a reunion as long they are all alive..Majority of the fans would like to see that happen!

Even Axl said in one of his rants that "Don't get anybody get in your way, including me."

"It's like the whole thing is a bad joke and the chubby guy wearing 50 oversized rings, an oversized yellow raincoat, a bad 1970s porn moustache and an 1800s Shakespeare hat is just the exclamation mark and a fitting frontman for such band." :rofl-lol:

[Lim666]

people wanna see the classic GN'R (AFD era) - as long as AFD does exist, and that is forever!

[John Bonham]

Axl Rose was trying to negotiate a reunion as recently as 2006.

[A]ccording to Classic Rock magazine, via a GN'R insider, recent attempts were indeed made by Axl Rose to reform the original band for shows at the Hammersmith Apollo in London, and then again for the Download Festival at Donnington Park.

The magazine also reported that both were allegedly to be filmed and released on DVD with an accompanying live album to mark the 20th anniversary of the band forming. As the story goes, all parties were interested until the fine print of the contracts were examined.

Apparently, despite the shows and the potential earning power of the subsequent CD/DVD sales, in agreeing to the terms and conditions, each member then agrees that all rights to the entire Guns N' Roses back catalogue would henceforth transfer to Axl.

Needless to stay, negotiations stalled

http://www.stereoboard.com/content/view/303/9/

[rockerman]

Everyone has a nostalgic love for the various previous incarnations of Guns n' Roses. There are fanboys of Slash, Buckethead, Robin, Steven, and hell- the list goes on. But at what point is it time to accept the present and have faith in the creative process? Oh I know what you're going to say: "when I get a new fuckin record! " Fair enough, but still... at some point you must come to terms with Axl's trajectory and creative vision. When is it time to let go of a reunion or an older lineup?

Following this band is like sitting beside a heart monitor axiously awaiting the flatline. Every once in a while you get a blip on the screen and you breath a sigh of relief that life is still in it.

its time for everyone concerned to let it go including Axl...All of it..retire the GNR name forever. Whateve Axls creative vision is he can do it without "GNR" I for one have cheered Axl on hoping he can get back to the top one more time and take us all with him. Simply put with 15 years of stall out..whats the point? He doesnt have the motivation, the presentation and his attempts to recreate himself are brief at that.

Clearly this new group has more than enough talent and in the hands of a motivated lyricist and singer could make the scene without the bagggage. THey could make the play without the ghosts of days past being flung in thier face.

The sad part is they are clinging to the concept of Guns and Roses when that concept in essesence died on a stage for good in Argentina in 93. Its pitiful that a group of highly talented people feel like playing THE songs from that era is sufficient enough to go on for decades with. Clearly Axl does not feel the need to make GNR a going concern again...and at this stage it is more or less a hobby to wheel out from time to time .

Those of us that identify ourselves as "fans" every single one of us cling to the idea that GNR will be something that matters. Otherwise this forum would not be here. For myself as I type this I think about the years of anticipation that have brought largely a disappointed bittersweet taste. HOW long can you sustain on curiosity? Thing is I have trusted in the creative process and well... yes?? Uh Uh ok.... I became a fan of GNR my senior year in high school.. I just checked on my projected retirement date and its 14 years away...thats a huge chunk of time there..just saying.

The new line up parades around like they are GNR. They are fellas just doing a job. The total picture of GNR , its charm, its magic its message and its draw are ....all in the past. Thats all it has to go on as a unit at this point...nostalgia.. and way to much reliance on the past glory...glory that they really had very very little if at all to create. Those nuGNR fans are really getting a copy of a copy of a copy when it comes to GNR.

GNR was a movement, it was an attitude, it was a statement ...it was the total picture. You didnt have posers up there pretending to be someone that they were not nor ever could be..and it shined through in the music. You cant recreate that. You cant even pretend to. Axl was never a poser back in the day and that is why he is still famous today.. BUT NOW..AS it is.. AXL has become a poser in his own band. Going through the motions, playing at being AXl when clearly its just another day at the office and he clearly acts to be bored with it.

A reunion would be amazing NOT because any one individual could recreate the might and the thrill that was but it would demonstrate that sometimes people can get thier shit together and overcome.

That Slash and Duff in 2013 are still identified with GNR says a lot. The images of GNR are that of AFD with Slash being front and center. In all due consideration every single time music from that era is played all that does is take us back to the past.

"heres a song I wrote in 1985" "Heres a song we first performed in 1991" " Listen to this song we wrote while we were still on the club circut"

Perhaps Axl in his attempt to recreate simply could not pry from the public just how beloved and how much regard people had of 86-93 GNR. He simply wont go on stage and play NEW music of his own but falls back on the catalogue that reminds people of the ragged band of misfits that made thier play. Thats his miscalculation...people do give a shit who is in the band. People do give a shit about presentation and they do give a shit about the total picture.

[Amir]

Why on earth would he reunite the band in 2006 of all times? All throughout that year he was interviewed saying people would hear new music that year... Then again, Weiland and other people mention a reunion... http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=4193

Does Axl just have these fits of pique behind-the-scenes? Was some of that 2011 e-mail stuff about him breaking up band, firing Ashba, etc. all true?

Or is it all just media nonsense?

[D-GenerationX]

Everyone has a nostalgic love for the various previous incarnations of Guns n' Roses. There are fanboys of Slash, Buckethead, Robin, Steven, and hell- the list goes on. But at what point is it time to accept the present and have faith in the creative process? Oh I know what you're going to say: "when I get a new fuckin record! " Fair enough, but still... at some point you must come to terms with Axl's trajectory and creative vision. When is it time to let go of a reunion or an older lineup?

About 13-15 years ago.

Axl has never even slightly wavered from his stance it won't happen. The man forecast his own death first. How much more do you need? It ain't happening.

[SoulMonster]

That Slash and Duff in 2013 are still identified with GNR says a lot. The images of GNR are that of AFD with Slash being front and center. In all due consideration every single time music from that era is played all that does is take us back to the past.

"heres a song I wrote in 1985" "Heres a song we first performed in 1991" " Listen to this song we wrote while we were still on the club circut"

Perhaps Axl in his attempt to recreate simply could not pry from the public just how beloved and how much regard people had of 86-93 GNR. He simply wont go on stage and play NEW music of his own but falls back on the catalogue that reminds people of the ragged band of misfits that made thier play. Thats his miscalculation...people do give a shit who is in the band. People do give a shit about presentation and they do give a shit about the total picture.

You are aware GN'R released a record in 2008? And you don't SERIOUSLY expect the band not to play classic GN'R songs in concerts, do you?

[volcano62]

Axl Rose was trying to negotiate a reunion as recently as 2006.

[A]ccording to Classic Rock magazine, via a GN'R insider, recent attempts were indeed made by Axl Rose to reform the original band for shows at the Hammersmith Apollo in London, and then again for the Download Festival at Donnington Park.

The magazine also reported that both were allegedly to be filmed and released on DVD with an accompanying live album to mark the 20th anniversary of the band forming. As the story goes, all parties were interested until the fine print of the contracts were examined.

Apparently, despite the shows and the potential earning power of the subsequent CD/DVD sales, in agreeing to the terms and conditions, each member then agrees that all rights to the entire Guns N' Roses back catalogue would henceforth transfer to Axl.

Needless to stay, negotiations stalled

http://www.stereoboard.com/content/view/303/9/

I find this VERY hard to believe. CR is also not the most reputable magazine.

[trqster]

As the years go by, the idea of a reunion will jest get MORE appealing - it's just the way it is. So the answer is a clear NO.

[BangoSkank]

Axl Rose was trying to negotiate a reunion as recently as 2006.

[A]ccording to Classic Rock magazine, via a GN'R insider, recent attempts were indeed made by Axl Rose to reform the original band for shows at the Hammersmith Apollo in London, and then again for the Download Festival at Donnington Park.

The magazine also reported that both were allegedly to be filmed and released on DVD with an accompanying live album to mark the 20th anniversary of the band forming. As the story goes, all parties were interested until the fine print of the contracts were examined.

Apparently, despite the shows and the potential earning power of the subsequent CD/DVD sales, in agreeing to the terms and conditions, each member then agrees that all rights to the entire Guns N' Roses back catalogue would henceforth transfer to Axl.

Needless to stay, negotiations stalled

http://www.stereoboard.com/content/view/303/9/

I find this VERY hard to believe. CR is also not the most reputable magazine.

I mostly agree (though they did have a really in depth interview with Zutat a few years back).

[GnR Chris]

I will never give up hope of a classic lineup reunion, not until the key players are no longer with us. That would be Izzy, Slash, Duff, or Axl. I want to see Steven there too, but not to sound morbid, even if he died I think people would still be pushing for an Illusions reunion.

The truth is, if Axl offered (and maintained) a suitable NuGNR version from day 1 people wouldn't keep going on about reunions as much as they are. The reason a lot of people call for a reunion is because they see the revolving door NuGNR as something that can't be taken serious. It's not a band with members who play with any chemistry, it is only a bunch of individuals who are the only ones (At this time) willing to stick around in an environment where even other replacements have cut and run. When you look at this band play they look like a bunch of individuals up there because the paycheck and opportunity is good. There is zero chemistry on stage between any of them. They are a bunch of hired individuals up there to do a job, which is allow Axl to tour.

Axl could have built a legitimate NuGNR, but continues to this day to fill it with the most inappropriate people he could find. You pair that up with his stubbornness/laziness and you have a band that is going nowhere fast.

In my opinion, the time for a reunion is over. Axl has reached a level where he is a a laughing stock in his quality of performances and appearance. At this time he's not even fit to be on a stage with the real GNR. He actually fits perfect in his pseudo parody NuGNR that he continues to flog. It's like the whole thing is a bad joke and the chubby guy wearing 50 oversized rings, an oversized yellow raincoat, a bad 1970s porn moustache and an 1800s Shakespeare hat is just the exclamation mark and a fitting frontman for such band.

In the same breath, Axl is smart enough to know where this lineup stands, which is why he's not rushing out to record or do anything significant. He knows what is the purpose of this lineup and is comfortable with that. It's confirmed he was trying to get Buckethead/Brain and Finck back a while ago, so in the least we know he's never really been sold on this lineup. No other reasonable person has been sold on it either, except for the usual suspects who worship every move King Axl makes...*cough South American worshipers.

Just go with the flow, if you enjoy real GNR, a band that was electrifying on stage, there's plenty of youtube vids documenting their legendary concerts. Just enjoy it. Unfortunately you can never get that magic back again.

The world has moved on though, GNR as a whole is no longer relevant.

Pretty much this. Axl did it to himself. His grand vision was never realized. And even if you say some elements were beyond his control, had he consistently just released music, even if it was free singles here and there, taken band photos, did things normal bands do, then the media and fans would view them as more than Axl Rose and the Hired Guns. But because it remains Axl Rose, his flunky Dizzy and a wide range of individuals (despite the lineup having been stable now for some years), people will always clamor for what they (and I) view as the real Gn'R.

[gunnari]

Alan Niven said in Dropping the Needle interview that "Axl will make people miserable and make people miserable until he gets his way and he is always been like that".

Seems pretty accurate description of Axl concerning new album and how he behaves etc..

Edited November 5, 2013 by gunnari

[Apollo]

Alan Niven said in Dropping the Needle interview that "Axl will make people miserable and make people miserable until he gets his way and he is always been like that".

And now they have people like Beta and Fernando and Del representing him.

Can you imagine being the guy at the label who has to try and work a deal with these people?

***********

A reunion would be really cool.

A new album by the current band would be awesome.

An album featuring all the leftover CD tracks would rule.

IE..............Axl, for the love of all that is right in the world, please start sharing your music with your millions of fans.

At the end of the day, no matter how awesome and amazing it is........it is just a song. It isn't going to cure cancer. It isn't going to end world hunger. And if some people don't like it - who f-ing cares. You've got your hundred million dollars and you have a couple million people who will buy it and listen to it daily.

It isn't you (and Beta/Fernando) vs The World.

It's you and your millions of fans.

Share your gift, bro.

[volcano62]

Axl Rose was trying to negotiate a reunion as recently as 2006.

[A]ccording to Classic Rock magazine, via a GN'R insider, recent attempts were indeed made by Axl Rose to reform the original band for shows at the Hammersmith Apollo in London, and then again for the Download Festival at Donnington Park.

The magazine also reported that both were allegedly to be filmed and released on DVD with an accompanying live album to mark the 20th anniversary of the band forming. As the story goes, all parties were interested until the fine print of the contracts were examined.

Apparently, despite the shows and the potential earning power of the subsequent CD/DVD sales, in agreeing to the terms and conditions, each member then agrees that all rights to the entire Guns N' Roses back catalogue would henceforth transfer to Axl.

Needless to stay, negotiations stalled

http://www.stereoboard.com/content/view/303/9/

I find this VERY hard to believe. CR is also not the most reputable magazine.

I mostly agree (though they did have a really in depth interview with Zutat a few years back).

Sure did. Too bad Zutaut didn't get his way and was bitter and biased.

[rockerman]

That Slash and Duff in 2013 are still identified with GNR says a lot. The images of GNR are that of AFD with Slash being front and center. In all due consideration every single time music from that era is played all that does is take us back to the past.

"heres a song I wrote in 1985" "Heres a song we first performed in 1991" " Listen to this song we wrote while we were still on the club circut"

Perhaps Axl in his attempt to recreate simply could not pry from the public just how beloved and how much regard people had of 86-93 GNR. He simply wont go on stage and play NEW music of his own but falls back on the catalogue that reminds people of the ragged band of misfits that made thier play. Thats his miscalculation...people do give a shit who is in the band. People do give a shit about presentation and they do give a shit about the total picture.

You are aware GN'R released a record in 2008? And you don't SERIOUSLY expect the band not to play classic GN'R songs in concerts, do you?

Like I i said a copy of a copy of a copy.. while titled under GNR name it.. well it spoke for itself loud and clear with out the obvious remonstration of its merits. It came it with about as much ummph and splash as a pebble in a raging river. If it works for you .. all the cooler and groovier.. but after 10 years of being more or less GNR... how come no one outside of a very small % of fans even know or identify GNR with the likes of Pitman or Tommy or BBF and AShaba? facts are no one really give a shit to a degree about them AFTER all this time. They are not taken seriously. The new logo even gets superceded in news flashes with the AFD logo of the band. The POINT is its ALL about the classics. THE POINT is GNR is barely alive because all that is left is the classics...and even the new stuff is a decade old more or less. If Axls creative vision is to ride it out on past glorys ...hey thats his illusion and he laughs all the way to the bank for it. He offered up a new version of GNR...one that he claimed to be the last man standing ...thats great all the better Power to you.. and yet here we are

[SoulMonster]

Like I i said a copy of a copy of a copy.. while titled under GNR name it.. well it spoke for itself loud and clear with out the obvious remonstration of its merits. It came it with about as much ummph and splash as a pebble in a raging river. If it works for you .. all the cooler and groovier.. but after 10 years of being more or less GNR... how come no one outside of a very small % of fans even know or identify GNR with the likes of Pitman or Tommy or BBF and AShaba? facts are no one really give a shit to a degree about them AFTER all this time. They are not taken seriously. The new logo even gets superceded in news flashes with the AFD logo of the band. The POINT is its ALL about the classics. THE POINT is GNR is barely alive because all that is left is the classics...and even the new stuff is a decade old more or less. If Axls creative vision is to ride it out on past glorys ...hey thats his illusion and he laughs all the way to the bank for it. He offered up a new version of GNR...one that he claimed to be the last man standing ...thats great all the better Power to you.. and yet here we are

Yeah, we all wished he would accomplish more after UYI lineup split; but then again, he did accomplish something (release of CD, lots of touring, keeping the enigma alive) and as an old GN'R fan, something is just immensely better than nothing.

[username]

1997.

[Gracii Guns]

I know that it will never be the reunion that the people want, but other bands with former members who don't get on, such as Bad Company, have formed two separate reunion bands, composed of members from different eras. I imagine that the litigation GN'R would be much more complex than Bad Company's. But as far as an AFD line up with a capable, well-known vocalist instead of Axl is something that I'd settle for. I've seen Axl live already, so my yearning to see him as a frontman isn't as strong as someone who might not have.

Edited November 5, 2013 by Gracii Guns

[Amir]

Maybe Axl wanted a temporary reunion in 2006 as a cashgrab to fund the release of CD? Like a special "2-shows-only" deal for the Apollo and Download gigs, film them, sell them, release CD, then maybe milk it again a few years down the line? It's more lucrative to have multiple reunions, that's why Brian Wilson got kicked out of The Beach Boys again.

[vaida]

to be honest i question why i come here, and why i show any interest in this band. I like Slash, and that's about all that remains of Guns N'Roses in any real sense. I look forward to what Slash has lined up. Axl has become a joke. I can't even be bothered to check out Axl live on YouTube these days. Will he, won't he release a new Dvd? - i don't really care. I really believe Axl's career is finished, and he seems to be the last to know.

[trqster]

to be honest i question why i come here, and why i show any interest in this band. I like Slash, and that's about all that remains of Guns N'Roses in any real sense. I look forward to what Slash has lined up. Axl has become a joke. I can't even be bothered to check out Axl live on YouTube these days. Will he, won't he release a new Dvd? - i don't really care. I really believe Axl's career is finished, and he seems to be the last to know.

I wouldn't say Axl's career is finished per se, more like his own private Gn'R band is indeed finished in practical terms (record label and market interest in new music).

Axl needs more than ever Slash back onboard - if he ever intends to have his Gn'R taken any seriously...

Edited November 5, 2013 by trqster

[F*ck Fear]

I've never put any thought into a reunion as Axl has said its never goin to happen.

End of story.

Edited November 5, 2013 by F*ck Fear

[RussTCB]

I've never put any thought into a reunion as Axl has said its never goin to happen.

End of story.

1997.

Both of these. I thought/wanted a reunion for roughly a year after Slash's departure. I've been set on it never happening since roughly that time.