AxlisOld Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Plus with that big ass scar on his face he has reason to wear a mask finally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Saw it a third time. I like it even more now. Still give it a 4/5 and still rank it as my third favorite in the series behind Empire and the original, respectively.Han's death made my heart race this time for some reason...weird lol, but still cool tho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 I would put it behind Empire and Hope too. Maybe on par with Jedi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russel Nash Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Saw it again. Awesome movie, loved the landscapes and the real locations, i really hated the CGI in the prequels.I have a new theory now.I think Luke and Phasma have some romantic past. Maybe Rey is the product of that.Snoke is either Palpatine or Plagueis, Ben Solo thinks he's talking to Vader so probably thinks that he died being part of the dark side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 So I saw it for a second time, and I'm really not buying this whole "Kylo got his ass handed to him by Finn and Rey" nonsense anymore. He's clearly toying with Finn and acting over confident, and seriously injures him with relative ease. He's on the offence against Rey for the entire fight, until Rey has her "Luke, use the force!" moment and I imagine that's her force instincts/presumed previous training kicking in, all the while Ren's not completed his training either, just killed pops, and injured from the bowcaster. Anyone who thinks Rey has had zero training is a tit.Fair points, I'll give you that. She does ask Han if they Jedi are real tho so if she did in fact have training, her memories must've been wiped.I suppose now that Kylo's been basically humiliated by Rey he'll have a reason to seek vengeance on her in the sequel, and gain the upper hand thanks to his more recent training from Snoke.For sure, and I think when she grabs the lightsaber for the first time some of those memories come rushing back. Similarly, she only beats Kylo Ren because he says something like "I'll show you the ways of the force", and Rey suddenly stops and channels the force. There's also a moment when they first go to Maz Kanata's planet and Rey says "I didn't realise there was this much green in the whole galaxy", Han gives her a look that says I'm sorry, and that makes me think he knows fine rightly why she was left on Jakku and who left her there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 FINALLY, I watched it and it was really good, I was expecting more to see of Luke, I hope in the sequel there is more of luke, What im guessing is that he will train Rey to fight aganst Kylo.I have a feeling she is luke's daughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Watching phantom menace now to compare and...yeahhhhh force awakens is much better than all three prequels no matter what any of these lucas nutswingers say. Id rather have a soft reboot done with practical effects with a hero that's a little too perfect and a villain that's a little too weak than, well, complete shit like the prequels were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnold layne Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 None of these new characters are memorable. Lucas at least wrote a story with an amazing cast. Do you think Fin and Rey come close to the personalities of Han, Luke and so forth? Not even close. Decent movie but my expectations are shot for the next two, especially with two different directors. That won't work I don't think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 None of these new characters are memorable. Lucas at least wrote a story with an amazing cast. Do you think Fin and Rey come close to the personalities of Han, Luke and so forth? Not even close. Decent movie but my expectations are shot for the next two, especially with two different directors. That won't work I don't think. The original trilogy had 3 different directors, and I liked Rey, Finn, and Poe way more than Anakin, Amidala, and young Obi-Wan. I will agree with you know that nothing can beat the charisma and chemistry that Luke, Han, and Leia had in the originals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Just saw it... they fucking killed Han .or did they? he's confirmed for the cast of the next installment Well, I guess they could have him doing a Gandalf, but he got stabbed through the torso with a lightsaber and dropped hundreds of feet inside a facility which was detonated on a planet which was detonated shortly after... there's only so much overkill a man could take, even if he was Han Solo.I'd avoided all spoiler material before going in, so Han's death came as a total shock to me, right up until it happened. I thought there would be more backlash if something like that happened, so the mostly positive critique lulled me into a false sense of security, I guess...It kinda ruined the movie for me to be honest; there are some character deaths which are necessary, even characters one's attached to (I'm a big A Song of Ice and Fire fan) but I don't really see how this death added to the plot and the Star Wars universe just lost its best character. I think the saga will be infinitely poorer without him going forward, he was the highlight of the movie up until that point. Everything that happened before and after (which I mostly really enjoyed) was kinda made irrelevant by that utterly gut-wrenching 30 seconds. Still processing it, I don't know how I would even begin to rate the film out of 10 after that...I've said this before, but Han's death was kind of a necessity at this point. Not only have Ford and Kasdan wanted it to happen since Empire, but it's just natural in storytelling to have the old mentor figure die during the climatic transition point in the first act of a trilogy. With Luke in exile and Leia just being a general who only shows up near the third act, Han automatically embodied that old mentor role for this installment. So death was just kind of inevitable for him.Also Ford is like 73, so as amazing as he is, his character is kind of ripe for death. Furthermore, even tho I agree with pretty much everyone that this film had way too many callbacks to the old ones, we kinda needed that Obi-Wan death parallel so that the villain could seem threatening and the hero could have a personal reason to wanna take them down (tho I do think the duel between Rey and Ren that han's death lead to was handled kinda poorly, but that's besides the point).Also with so many new characters and old characters, someone old needed to die to make way for the new. Luke couldn't be that person cause he's in exile and needs to stick around to train Rey and help her rebuild the jedi order (again). Leia leads the Resistance so she's too important to die now too, and since she was also barely in the film, her death wouldn't of felt too effective either.Han, besides being a badass smuggler, is just not that important. He helped the new characters make it to the Resistance so that they could find their destiny/ place in the world. Once that was in motion, it was just time for him to go.I've seen that word "necessary" thrown about a lot, but I'm not seeing the necessity, this is a fictional universe, you can literally do anything you like and Han was totally the best thing about the film up until the point he was killed, things don't generally get better when you take the best part of them away completely... He was a character/personality, not a plot device, if it's traditional to have the "old mentor figure" die in the first instalment of a trilogy, then why not be bold and subvert the trope? Gandalf still had shit to do in The Two Towers/Return of the King, I don't think you'd find many LotR fans who would argue that he should have been totally and permanently removed from the plot during Fellowship because it's "necessary" to the stereotypical plot arc of your average trilogy...Every decent thing about that film is a Han-Chewie scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Rey's character is strong, but Kylo is just fucking awesome. Seriously I just to see more of Luke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 Lucas apparently wasn't a fan of this film. He was denied any say in the film's story. Probably a good thing because we would have gotten something completely different. George wanted to do more of what he did in the prequels. Introduce new worlds and want not and not reply on practical FX. I don't think he realizes what made his films so special. Like in IV through VI we have all this advanced tech but it was already really old. Some dialogue about the latest speeder and what not. So that basically grounds the films. Set in familiar worlds, like the desert of Tatooine, the snows of Hoth and the forests of Endor. Something familiar. Everything in the prequels was just shiny and new. We couldn't relate to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Lucas apparently wasn't a fan of this film. He was denied any say in the film's story. Probably a good thing because we would have gotten something completely different. George wanted to do more of what he did in the prequels. Introduce new worlds and want not and not reply on practical FX. I don't think he realizes what made his films so special. Like in IV through VI we have all this advanced tech but it was already really old. Some dialogue about the latest speeder and what not. So that basically grounds the films. Set in familiar worlds, like the desert of Tatooine, the snows of Hoth and the forests of Endor. Something familiar. Everything in the prequels was just shiny and new. We couldn't relate to it.He also compared Disney to "white slavers," which was very immature, especially since he willingly sold it to them for $4bil. Furthermore, he criticized today's filmmakers for relying too much on cgi and not enough on storytelling, even tho that's what he himself did to arguably the biggest extent. He then criticized the new film for being too much like the original, even tho Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones recycled tons of plot points from A New Hope and Empire respectively (tho admittedly to a much lesser extent). And he claims that's one of his strong points was going to new worlds, but in the prequels we went to Tattooine in each one of them. Fuck, in Attack they go from tattooine to another desert planet that's basically the same (geonosis). George also claimed that his original starwars was original and that there was nothing else like it, but really he just borrowed a fuck ton from all sorts of sources and just mashed them all together. He makes himself to be this awesome hero with a "me against the world" attitude but he fails to see that the shtick got old decades ago and he became his own worst enemy. He called his starwars films his "kids," and yet he sold them.He said all this on Charlie Rose the other day, but he apologized for all of it today so I guess there's that at least. But still, any little respect I had left for this guy is completely lost now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Pretty much every interview with an actor who has worked with him also highlights how guff a director he was. Grateful for the ideas, but beyond that Lucas can see himself out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 Well originally, he wanted to do his own adaptation of Flash Gordon but he wasn't able to purchase the rights so he decided to create his own space adventure. He also took inspiration from other films like The Hidden Fortress, Seven Samurai, pretty much any of the Japanese Samurai films. The Jedi are basically space Samurai. One thing that sums up how the prequels failed is that Lucas got too wrapped up into his story. He kept working on it instead of telling a story. Instead of some interesting tale on Darth Vader what we got was some boring history class. I am forever grateful for his creation, but he needs to move on. He should have hired writer for the prequels. I know Lawrence Kasdan, who did Force Awakens, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi as well as Raiders of the Lost Ark turned down the opportunity to do the prequels. He would have made them better. He just didn't want to work with Lucas.I am sure Carrie was the least thrilled to work with him after that white gown she had to wear in Star Wars and her uncomfortable bikini in Jedi. She wasn't allowed to wear underwear because "Underwear doesn't exist in space" that cheeky bastard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Why does luciusfunk get so mad when people suggest anything bad about the prequels or George Lucas? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 In view of the prequels, Lucas complaining about filmmakers ''relying too much on FX'' is the equivalent of Hitler complaining that ''there is too much Antisemitism around'' - it is that hypocritical. Nonetheless I can see what he means about making fan pleasing nostalgic fodder, which is obviously what The Force Awakens is, a reboot in all but name. Upon selling the franchise, George handed in his ideas for a 'next generation' sequel trilogy and Disney chucked them in the bin basically. Lucas had these ideas from the early '80s I believe, when he was still discussing pursuing a sequel trilogy himself. He seems to have believed that they would have used his ideas and he could have still been involved as a background storywriter overseer type chap.He seems very regretful but once you sell something, it is the other's to do as they please. I wonder if Disney slightly egged him on a bit in the deal: ''yes George, we would love to use your ideas; just sign on this dotted line and all will be fine''. George signs. Disney picks up contract saying over the com, ''security, escort this beaded buffoon from the building please''. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted January 1, 2016 Author Share Posted January 1, 2016 Alan Horn is a Sith Lord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 In view of the prequels, Lucas complaining about filmmakers ''relying too much on FX'' is the equivalent of Hitler complaining that ''there is too much Antisemitism around'' - it is that hypocritical. Nonetheless I can see what he means about making fan pleasing nostalgic fodder, which is obviously what The Force Awakens is, a reboot in all but name. Upon selling the franchise, George handed in his ideas for a 'next generation' sequel trilogy and Disney chucked them in the bin basically. Lucas had these ideas from the early '80s I believe, when he was still discussing pursuing a sequel trilogy himself. He seems to have believed that they would have used his ideas and he could have still been involved as a background storywriter overseer type chap.He seems very regretful but once you sell something, it is the other's to do as they please. I wonder if Disney slightly egged him on a bit in the deal: ''yes George, we would love to use your ideas; just sign on this dotted line and all will be fine''. George signs. Disney picks up contract saying over the com, ''security, escort this beaded buffoon from the building please''.The ideas george had for the sequel trilogy back in the 80s were all crunched into Return of the Jedi, for the most part. The ideas he came up with for the disney sale he wrote circa 2010-2012, meaning they probably weren't that good since they came from the mind of post-Phantom Menace era Lucas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 None of these new characters are memorable. Lucas at least wrote a story with an amazing cast. Do you think Fin and Rey come close to the personalities of Han, Luke and so forth? Not even close. Decent movie but my expectations are shot for the next two, especially with two different directors. That won't work I don't think.The original trilogy had 3 different directors, and I liked Rey, Finn, and Poe way more than Anakin, Amidala, and young Obi-Wan.I will agree with you know that nothing can beat the charisma and chemistry that Luke, Han, and Leia had in the originals.While I thought the film was just OK I thought the likable characters were one of the film's great strengths, they are characters I would like to see more of. What I didn't find memorable were any of the action scenes, in that aspect to me it was like the opposite of the prequels; while I rate The Force Awakens higher than any of the prequels on the strength of the characters and dialogue, the action scenes in Lucas' films were more memorable to me.Nothing will ever top Empire, though. Watched it again the other day, something about that Vader reveal scene gives me chills every time. I'm not even sure if I knew beforehand or not the first time I saw it as a kid but regardless it still moves me upon each viewing. Watching the special features/behind-the-scenes clips really drives home that it was the result of a wonderful collaborative effort between Lucas, Kershner, Brackett, Kasdan, the actors and the talented crew, no single person alone was responsible for the overall greatness of that film and how it stands head and shoulders above the rest of the saga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luciusfunk Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) Lucas apparently wasn't a fan of this film. He was denied any say in the film's story. Probably a good thing because we would have gotten something completely different. George wanted to do more of what he did in the prequels. Introduce new worlds and want not and not reply on practical FX. I don't think he realizes what made his films so special. Like in IV through VI we have all this advanced tech but it was already really old. Some dialogue about the latest speeder and what not. So that basically grounds the films. Set in familiar worlds, like the desert of Tatooine, the snows of Hoth and the forests of Endor. Something familiar. Everything in the prequels was just shiny and new. We couldn't relate to it.Baseless speculation nowhere hinted at in his interview.Oh he wanted to introduce new worlds? That's stupid. Thank God we got to revisit the likes of Jakku and Takkodana. Edited January 1, 2016 by luciusfunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luciusfunk Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Why is Bacardi a bitch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luciusfunk Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-lucas-sorry-white-slavers-851661 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted January 1, 2016 Author Share Posted January 1, 2016 Lucas apparently wasn't a fan of this film. He was denied any say in the film's story. Probably a good thing because we would have gotten something completely different. George wanted to do more of what he did in the prequels. Introduce new worlds and want not and not reply on practical FX. I don't think he realizes what made his films so special. Like in IV through VI we have all this advanced tech but it was already really old. Some dialogue about the latest speeder and what not. So that basically grounds the films. Set in familiar worlds, like the desert of Tatooine, the snows of Hoth and the forests of Endor. Something familiar. Everything in the prequels was just shiny and new. We couldn't relate to it.Baseless speculation nowhere hinted at in his interview.Oh he wanted to introduce new worlds? That's stupid. Thank God we got to revisit the likes of Jakku and Takkodana.“They wanted to do a retro movie,” Lucas said. “I don’t like that. Every movie I work very hard to make them completely different, with different planets, with different spaceships, make it new.”http://news.yahoo.com/george-lucas-explains-why-didn-t-star-wars-153745258.html?nf=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luciusfunk Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Nothing about effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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