ShadowOfTheWave Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 In 12/11, Axl told the LA Times "Once I get the next things sorted out with the label, then I feel I can get to that creative place that I've been fighting to get to, and to use Guns N' Roses to do so". He basically told Eddie Trunk the same thing a few months earlier. In 10/12, Axl told USA Today "All the guys are writing, and we recorded a lot of songs over the years. We'll figure out what we feel best about".My question is, considering the consensus is that Axl isn't interested in moving forward with this band at all, do you believe he was being dishonest with these statements? Do you think there are actual negotiations that have gone on with the label in the past 2 years, or that Axl is seriously planning to go through the songs they "recorded over the years", let alone write lyrics to the songs "all the guys are writing?"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfuckinga Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 If Axl says it then it's true. Axl's "we're working on it" trumps Pitman's "no need for a new album" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I have always leaned towards him being honest, but either way new music is not coming out so Axl is either honest yet unable to get anything out or he is just bullshitting. I don't personally think he is lying though, I do think he is honest about his intentions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saber_ Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 *inb4soonistheword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 He probably believes that eventually, there's a good chance he'll put out more music. But those quotes are from 2 years ago, things change. Currently, it doesn't look like anything's on the horizon. Hopefully that changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 New music lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuzeville Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Procastinators always find excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfierose Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I think he means what he says at the time he says it. I think it's possible he then feels differently about things a few months down the line then differently again a while after that and so on...ad infinitum. It's alleged he was going to legally disband GnR not too long ago so who knows how quickly and frequently future plans change? He's a charismatic and strong headed person so I imagine those around him probably have no choice but to go with whatever direction the wind is blowing even if they know it's liable to change again before long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquor & Whores Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I think that there's a lot of shit that we (fans) don't know about, and doubt if we ever have a chance to find out (unless Axl releases his autobiography).Therefore, we can't really assess how much truth we get... if you know what I mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangoSkank Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 How do we know Axl doesn't want to do anything with this new band? I'm no fan of Ashba, but we could have easily said the same thing between 2004 and the months leading up to CD's release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jman2000 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) new music lol Edited December 6, 2013 by jman2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I think he means it . But there is always some issues. When is not the record company is managers, band members or just Axl having issues with himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-GenerationX Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 If he means what he says there, how do you reconcile Ron saying the band has yet to write anything together? Is Axl basically saying that he assumes the other are writing on their own time? Because there is no collaboration going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Good intentions but he doesn't have a support group to get it done, he needs someone to drive him, he's not going get anything done with his nicey nice management that pull back when they should push and vice versa. Any person with a brain would realise guns are only relevant if they continue to release new material. 5 year anniversary of Chinese and no sign of a new album makes me think it's unlikely we'll have a new album by the 6th anniversary, maybe the 7th.Also, he's looking for a deal from the label that is probably way too ambitious... he doesn't have the same pull that he used to and any other deal is an insult for him - if a deal is made I'll be shocked as Axl would have to settle for less than what he's looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARBeast Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I don't think Axl intended on never releasing music again. Nor do I believe Axl meant for chinese to take a hundred fucking years to release. Shit happens, life happens, things change.That being said, Axl hasn't said anything in the last two years about new music being released so there's no doubt he could care less about releasing new music ever again.How do we know Axl doesn't want to do anything with this new band? I'm no fan of Ashba, but we could have easily said the same thing between 2004 and the months leading up to CD's release. They did record alternate versions of better. So ashba has recorded something with GNR. I'm sure it was something Dj really wanted to do.Axl could care less about releasing music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysteron Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) Is Axl being honestThis comes about from the other thread.We question the integrity of band members and also Axl's integrity and intent , but this cannot be questioned. Edited December 6, 2013 by Mysteron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARBeast Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 If he means what he says there, how do you reconcile Ron saying the band has yet to write anything together?Is Axl basically saying that he assumes the other are writing on their own time? Because there is no collaboration going on here.There's something really messed up about that part too. Maybe Axl expects them to re-write parts for songs already recorded? Then he could just mix them and release them then monumental promotion will star...Sorry I almost started to believe myself on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooker Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Of course Axl wants to release music. Just.... The melody inside of him is still searching for a solution. No, we will get some release someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liers Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Considering out of the two interviews he did in 2012, the only thing he said about new music was "Definite maybe", then I would say yes, he's being honest by not answering the question, and therefore not being able to lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 In USA Today Axl said theyve all recorded they just need to see what they like. All recorded, not all written might be the distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 In 12/11, Axl told the LA Times "Once I get the next things sorted out with the label, then I feel I can get to that creative place that I've been fighting to get to, and to use Guns N' Roses to do so". He basically told Eddie Trunk the same thing a few months earlier. In 10/12, Axl told USA Today "All the guys are writing, and we recorded a lot of songs over the years. We'll figure out what we feel best about".My question is, considering the consensus is that Axl isn't interested in moving forward with this band at all, do you believe he was being dishonest with these statements? Do you think there are actual negotiations that have gone on with the label in the past 2 years, or that Axl is seriously planning to go through the songs they "recorded over the years", let alone write lyrics to the songs "all the guys are writing?"? I believe Slash has got it right:"It takes Axl an indeterminate amount of time to decide what he is going to do from the inception of an idea to the point of carrying it out" [bozza, Anthony, & Slash (2007). Slash. Harper Entertainment: New York, p.259] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 I dont see GNR as ever moving forwards, its more like resetting the clock and rebuilding the DeLorean again. I dont think they have started a new project so its CD II to all tense and purposes. They might have some material ready to go, working titles have been thrown around. So id say its a label/deal problem. Coupled with no real interest in a GNR right now out there in the real world. Imagine a journo getting a copy of a new GNR cd just thinking wtf they only just put one out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARBeast Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 I dont see GNR as ever moving forwards, its more like resetting the clock and rebuilding the DeLorean again.I dont think they have started a new project so its CD II to all tense and purposes.They might have some material ready to go, working titles have been thrown around.So id say its a label/deal problem. Coupled with no real interest in a GNR right now out there in the real world. Imagine a journo getting a copy of a new GNR cd just thinking wtf they only just put one out.Fair point, but I can't see Axl having any interest in releasing new music...That usa today interview you mentioned in a previous post- when was that? Maybe his opinion is subject to change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfTheWave Posted December 7, 2013 Author Share Posted December 7, 2013 The USA Today interview was October 2012. In March 2013 he told that Aussie paper "definite maybe". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARBeast Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 The USA Today interview was October 2012. In March 2013 he told that Aussie paper "definite maybe".Cool "Definite maybe" makes me really want to cringe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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