Paulywauly Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Was it towards the end of the 2010 tour or was he that strong the whole way and just came back at Rock in Rio in 2011 with the lack of rasp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 2010 was strong all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I remember some of the Abu Dhabi videos from December 2010 had him starting to slip, but no where near as bad as the following year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I remember some of the Abu Dhabi videos from December 2010 had him starting to slip, but no where near as bad as the following yearThis. From what I remember he pretty much just sounded 'tired' at Abu Dhabi after a year of touring like that, but the difference is night and day compared with 2011. His 'off' shows in 2010 (like Reading) are still way better than anything since that tour, with maybe a few exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IncitingChaos Posted April 12, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2015 I remember some of the Abu Dhabi videos from December 2010 had him starting to slip, but no where near as bad as the following year This. From what I remember he pretty much just sounded 'tired' at Abu Dhabi after a year of touring like that, but the difference is night and day compared with 2011. His 'off' shows in 2010 (like Reading) are still way better than anything since that tour, with maybe a few exceptions.No disrespect but Reading was good! I'm not sure why everyone seems to hate it. http://youtu.be/qyIY_LGqoXoIt has the best vocal performance of Rocket Queen at around 41 min. The fan shot video sounds like every other good 2010 show though. The proshots just expose Axl a bit more like it would at any show. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spliff Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 jungle at reading was pretty bad for 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I think we were all expecting a 2010 performance at RIR, if he'd managed that then it would have been a brilliant night for everyone associated with GN'R. We would have moaned about the lack of new music, because we will always complain about something but in all honesty it was a big shock how much closer he was to '01-'02 than '06-'10. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlsMainMan Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Axl still sounded 2010-quality when I saw Guns' in November 2011 in Hamilton. The first 3 Vegas shows I saw in 2012 were also topnotch while Quebec in July 2013 was like the AFDemocracy DVD where Axl was pretty much completely winded after Mr. Brownstone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangoSkank Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 It really raises the question of what happened between December 2010 & October 2011. It's obvious he didn't prepare enough for it, but to never really pull out of that funk is interesting. I always wonder if the immense amount of backlash from RIR '11 made him sort of say "fuck it" the rest of the tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 It really raises the question of what happened between December 2010 & October 2011. It's obvious he didn't prepare enough for it, but to never really pull out of that funk is interesting. I always wonder if the immense amount of backlash from RIR '11 made him sort of say "fuck it" the rest of the tour.He didn't get his way with the Azoff lawsuit - maybe that put him back into depression:http://noisecreep.com/axl-rose-and-irving-azoff-settle-lawsuit/Axl still sounded 2010-quality when I saw Guns' in November 2011 in Hamilton. The first 3 Vegas shows I saw in 2012 were also topnotch while Quebec in July 2013 was like the AFDemocracy DVD where Axl was pretty much completely winded after Mr. Brownstone.Ah yes, the infamous "I WAS AT THE SHOW - HE SOUNDED TREMENDOUS" defense.I was in Hamilton. It was fun, but the videos don't lie - his voice was bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangoSkank Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 It really raises the question of what happened between December 2010 & October 2011. It's obvious he didn't prepare enough for it, but to never really pull out of that funk is interesting. I always wonder if the immense amount of backlash from RIR '11 made him sort of say "fuck it" the rest of the tour.He didn't get his way with the Azoff lawsuit - maybe that put him back into depression:http://noisecreep.com/axl-rose-and-irving-azoff-settle-lawsuit/Could be. And if I'm reading that right it looks like a big reason for the 2011 tour was to hit Live Nation owned venues to fulfill a legal settlement, so not something Axl would care about hitting with a ton of gusto. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrolg Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Well, what allows a singer to have control and power on his voice are muscles. As with every muscles, those need to be trained in order to perform well.Once you get old, specially past 50, your body's ability to build muscle is greatly diminished. In fact, you actually start to naturally lose muscle mass, I don't see why, scientifically, this does not apply to the ones that control your voice.At Axl's age, a regular dude needs to work and train to keep whatever muscle mass he has left. To gain further strenght, he needs to work twice as hard. Not only that, but a decent diet, with correct proportions of protein, carbs etc. and proper rest are required.That would pretty much explain why Axl's voice seems to get better as a tour progresses, and also why he sounds utterly awful on the first few legs of a tour. Maybe he simply doesn't put in the work required to perform at the level he used to 4-5 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 It really raises the question of what happened between December 2010 & October 2011. It's obvious he didn't prepare enough for it, but to never really pull out of that funk is interesting. I always wonder if the immense amount of backlash from RIR '11 made him sort of say "fuck it" the rest of the tour.He didn't get his way with the Azoff lawsuit - maybe that put him back into depression:http://noisecreep.com/axl-rose-and-irving-azoff-settle-lawsuit/Could be. And if I'm reading that right it looks like a big reason for the 2011 tour was to hit Live Nation owned venues to fulfill a legal settlement, so not something Axl would care about hitting with a ton of gusto.And by pissing off Azoff, Axl's probably blacklisted from ever performing in big venues that Live Nation controls after that tour. Which explains the 3 years of small clubs and residencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonah Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 It really raises the question of what happened between December 2010 & October 2011. It's obvious he didn't prepare enough for it, but to never really pull out of that funk is interesting. I always wonder if the immense amount of backlash from RIR '11 made him sort of say "fuck it" the rest of the tour. He didn't get his way with the Azoff lawsuit - maybe that put him back into depression:http://noisecreep.com/axl-rose-and-irving-azoff-settle-lawsuit/Axl still sounded 2010-quality when I saw Guns' in November 2011 in Hamilton. The first 3 Vegas shows I saw in 2012 were also topnotch while Quebec in July 2013 was like the AFDemocracy DVD where Axl was pretty much completely winded after Mr. Brownstone. Ah yes, the infamous "I WAS AT THE SHOW - HE SOUNDED TREMENDOUS" defense.I was in Hamilton. It was fun, but the videos don't lie - his voice was bad.Yeah he sounded bad on most songs in Hamilton. Opened strong and once they got to estranged it fell apart vocally. Still had a great time though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I remember some of the Abu Dhabi videos from December 2010 had him starting to slip, but no where near as bad as the following year This. From what I remember he pretty much just sounded 'tired' at Abu Dhabi after a year of touring like that, but the difference is night and day compared with 2011. His 'off' shows in 2010 (like Reading) are still way better than anything since that tour, with maybe a few exceptions.No disrespect but Reading was good! I'm not sure why everyone seems to hate it.http://youtu.be/qyIY_LGqoXoIt has the best vocal performance of Rocket Queen at around 41 min. The fan shot video sounds like every other good 2010 show though. The proshots just expose Axl a bit more like it would at any show.I wasn't saying it was bad, an 'off' show in 2010 was still a good show, he'd just set the bar so high that anything that wasn't 'great' was 'off' I guess, I didn't mean for it to read that way. I still don't think he was as strong around that time was as other parts of the year though, but the worst show of 2010 was probably Sturgis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) Yea I get ya Gordon, I have seen people say it was a poor performance though. I guess in 2010 the bar was raised. I just want RQ's proshot from this gigAlso Axl was a lil out of breath here. I think in Live and let die he doesn't do the second scream. Most notes are shorter and he looked a lil bigger on these videos than the rest of 2010. Edited April 13, 2015 by IncitingChaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSoftie Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I don't know whether it was because he was tired, his voice was damaged or what the craic is but towards the end of the year it was getting harder and harder for him to find the rasp.https://youtu.be/PMLGfnOurFY?t=4m10s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lauradoon Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I remember some of the Abu Dhabi videos from December 2010 had him starting to slip, but no where near as bad as the following year This. From what I remember he pretty much just sounded 'tired' at Abu Dhabi after a year of touring like that, but the difference is night and day compared with 2011. His 'off' shows in 2010 (like Reading) are still way better than anything since that tour, with maybe a few exceptions.No disrespect but Reading was good! I'm not sure why everyone seems to hate it. http://youtu.be/qyIY_LGqoXoIt has the best vocal performance of Rocket Queen at around 41 min. The fan shot video sounds like every other good 2010 show though. The proshots just expose Axl a bit more like it would at any show.No one can deny how good his voice was there especially with rocket queen.. Like you said. At 53 still belting them out is pretty good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Rose Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I remember some of the Abu Dhabi videos from December 2010 had him starting to slip, but no where near as bad as the following year This. From what I remember he pretty much just sounded 'tired' at Abu Dhabi after a year of touring like that, but the difference is night and day compared with 2011. His 'off' shows in 2010 (like Reading) are still way better than anything since that tour, with maybe a few exceptions.No disrespect but Reading was good! I'm not sure why everyone seems to hate it.http://youtu.be/qyIY_LGqoXoIt has the best vocal performance of Rocket Queen at around 41 min. The fan shot video sounds like every other good 2010 show though. The proshots just expose Axl a bit more like it would at any show.This I Love at Reading is still a long way from Arnhem, London and most other shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lauradoon Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 And at least axl didn't drop kick anyone for filming it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Broue Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I remember some of the Abu Dhabi videos from December 2010 had him starting to slip, but no where near as bad as the following year This. From what I remember he pretty much just sounded 'tired' at Abu Dhabi after a year of touring like that, but the difference is night and day compared with 2011. His 'off' shows in 2010 (like Reading) are still way better than anything since that tour, with maybe a few exceptions.No disrespect but Reading was good! I'm not sure why everyone seems to hate it.http://youtu.be/qyIY_LGqoXoIt has the best vocal performance of Rocket Queen at around 41 min. The fan shot video sounds like every other good 2010 show though. The proshots just expose Axl a bit more like it would at any show.No one can deny how good his voice was there especially with rocket queen.. Like you said. At 53 still belting them out is pretty goodhe was 48 on this one...Btw here's a really good rocket queen, the reading one is not even close 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lauradoon Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Whoops my bad. Ok I'll have a nose thanks mate I remember some of the Abu Dhabi videos from December 2010 had him starting to slip, but no where near as bad as the following year This. From what I remember he pretty much just sounded 'tired' at Abu Dhabi after a year of touring like that, but the difference is night and day compared with 2011. His 'off' shows in 2010 (like Reading) are still way better than anything since that tour, with maybe a few exceptions.No disrespect but Reading was good! I'm not sure why everyone seems to hate it.http://youtu.be/qyIY_LGqoXoIt has the best vocal performance of Rocket Queen at around 41 min. The fan shot video sounds like every other good 2010 show though. The proshots just expose Axl a bit more like it would at any show.No one can deny how good his voice was there especially with rocket queen.. Like you said. At 53 still belting them out is pretty good he was 48 on this one...Btw here's a really good rocket queen, the reading one is not even close Yep you're right that was bloody amazing. I love the second half of the song especially.. Sounds like an entirely different song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I believe it has something to do with the amount of blowjobs Axl gets before a tour. He turned it into an art form in 2002, hence the intense shrieking helium falsetto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Wow great video of RQ strange! It's one of those songs I use as a measuring stick for Axl's voice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrolg Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Axl absolutely fucks the world itself in the ass in Bucharest 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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