Corey Taylor (Slipknot) still no fan of Axl

[Brunzopolis]

People will still be talking about Axl and GNR though.

Yeah people will still talk about Axl that how big of a joke he made of himself and GNR.

This.

Yeah, which speaks solely, and entirely, to the heights they reached before it became a joke. Simple logic.

Wrong.

Hmmm, persuasive.

[maynard]

Corey and Slipknot will obviously be remembered whenever the Nu/Alternative Metal movement gets mentioned in the future. Maybe not as big as AFD (not GNR, AFD) but some of their music might get cult status. You have to be an Axl blind fanatic to say Slipknot will be forgotten. It won't. Hell, look at all the hair metal bands from the 80s that still have a public! They were part of a very cool music period, Slipknot, Korn, Deftones all have brilliant albums. If I have a kid one day I'll proudly say I listened to White Pony during my teenage days.

[Nosaj Thing]

People will still be talking about Axl and GNR though.

Yeah people will still talk about Axl that how big of a joke he made of himself and GNR.

This.

Yeah, which speaks solely, and entirely, to the heights they reached before it became a joke. Simple logic.

Wrong.

Hmmm, persuasive.

Hmmm, wrong.

Corey and Slipknot will obviously be remembered whenever the Nu/Alternative Metal movement gets mentioned in the future. Maybe not as big as AFD (not GNR, AFD) but some of their music might get cult status. You have to be an Axl blind fanatic to say Slipknot will be forgotten. It won't. Hell, look at all the hair metal bands from the 80s that still have a public! They were part of a very cool music period, Slipknot, Korn, Deftones all have brilliant albums. If I have a kid one day I'll proudly say I listened to White Pony during my teenage days.

And even if Corey is forgotten (truly doubt he will). I'd rather be completely forgotten than remembered for being a sad joke and/or destroying one of the biggest bands of all time.

[Bono]

You forgot to mention the part where he put his nutsack on Axl's piano. And I should respect this person? That's just totally disrespectful and deserves a beatdown.

Axl beat the fuck out of his wife yet you're still here - double standards?

Perhaps although opinions vary.

Never liked Slipknot. Never understood the stupid masks. If Corey Taylor is where it's at as the worlds best vocalists then stop the world I wanna get off. Did Axl come out & criticise his peers when he was at his peak? I don't think so. Personally I think M Shadows pisses on Taylor from a great height. But both of them can't touch Axl at his best live & on record.

revisionist histroy to worhsip your hero. Slurp slurp slurp I guess.

When you commit a tardy act you don't get to call somebody else out for a tardy act.

When you so blanatnly act like Axl is a saint and never criticised any of his peers at his peak your'e a joke and a zealot and a blind wworshiper and are an embarassment to actual fans.

Nobody's a saint. We all make mistakes. Even your glory boy in your avatar.

And once again another zealot Axl Rose fan who has no viable comeback so they feel the desperate need to bring Bono / U2 into it so make some pointless irrelevant point to what's being discussed. . Fuck you look like a fool all the time.

[EvH]

Careful Bono, wkuk is going to answer with a stupid meme or a video which has nothing to to with your post!

[Intercourse]

Wkuk must be thinking, where the hell is Gunner PT when I need him.

Wkuk whenever you get banned, let me tell you one thing, you will be missed.

Now I have a feeling that Russ or Downzy will say "This topic has been moved to Civil War for obvious Reasons."

Wkuk ain't the worst by a mile, in fact I've bashed his comments and he's thrown a like at me just 'cause we are engaging.

He took a pounding in good faith and has graciously stepped down from the argument.

I'm all for posters with every kind of opinion from each end of the spectrum chiming in. Frankly, we need it. No sense in having MyGNR turn into the cynical Yang to HTGTH's happy clappy Ying. Plus, its part of the fun here, engaging with those whose position you can't fathom.

On that note, I'm off to construct an reply to Mysteron's apologist stance on late starts!

Edited July 16, 2015 by Intercourse

[Intercourse]

Amazing!

Well, I guess I can now take Corey's criticism on Axl with utter seriousness given the man's skills for stand-up comedy. I mean, I thought he was a singer but still wasn't sure, now that he is clearly working on a different field, I take him with much much seriousness!

The guy was simply using facts that even the Axlamic Fundamentalists can't dispute. He is universally reviled for his late starts and their shitty impact on his band, crew and fans.

You can take him seriously or not, the guy is still right.

About Axl, yeah he was always criticizing people and shitting on them, and for absolutely no reason! It's not like he was nice to Cobain, Hetfield and the other ones to begin with! It's not like Hetfield who is clearly the best singer and most beautiful man ever made had accidentally taken the piss on camera judging his food wishlist! It's not like Cobain tried in a pathetic childish manner to ridicule him with his wife! Axl criticized them TOTALLY without reason!

Thank you MYgnR fans for your real reviews of past & current events, you opened my eyes.

I'll give you the one about Cobain, it seems he was a sneery, supercilious shit towards Axl's genuine offer to join GNR out on the road.

Hetfield I disagree...their beef started when Hetfield got burned and metallica had to quit 90 minutes early. The band asked Axl to rally GNR and get out there and deliver a show to save the entire gig - what did Axl do? Went on late as usual and then left the stage.

Slash quote on the incident: “Not only did we not go on early enough to fill the void left by Metallica, we went on three hours later than our scheduled time.”

Listen to Metallica themselves discuss the incident here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kQv7D4B9gY

You've obviously decided to turn your back on well documented fact when you decided to set out your stall here.

[Intercourse]

I didn't say it was a worked out brand, I just meant, it is what it is. Axl has been late onto stage ever since the bands inception. When you buy a ticket, it is what you are buying into. The reason it happens has been well documented, if you don't like it, don't go.

Friends at home who are fans will only go to see Guns if they can mix up the night with a few overnight clubs in London. This means that they cannot see them every tour, but they don't fuss about it

You're right about choosing to go or not: after I watched him behave like a spoilt child in Dublin (but sing amazingly), I'll be holding my euros for other artists who come to town. I'll never pay to see the guy again unless its with the old band.

Choosing not to go to his gigs makes its sound like its all ok but it isn't, it still doesn't make it right. Worse is that after 25 years of this shit, its not because Axl has no idea of the impact it has on all of those who work for him and those who paid to see him.

This "get in the zone " thing has always such a fucking bullshit excuse; imagine a world title boxing or MMA fight being held up for 3 hours because one of the fighters "needed to get himself ready to deliver an amazing performance"? Imagine the same shit in every Olympic event, every other massive gig, every military engagement, or down at our level, every worker going to work on this planet today. And I keep saying it...ITS JUST SINGING SONGS. I;ve worked as a professional singer so I feel I can at least express an opinion on this.

Some argue its what makes him so unique and compelling and I bought that for a long while myself until, like others here already pointed out, I noticed that Axl can come on stage on time when he knows it'll cost him fucking money if he doesn't.

Do you think he was late on stage to trouser that €1M at that wedding he played? Fucking right he wasn't.

Funny how that simple measure suddenly found our deeply sensitive, needs-time-to-get-into-the-zone, artiste magically finding the reserves to emerge on stage on time, over and over again.

Nobody, only this arrogant fool has wielded such a stick for so long and its this behaviour has been a huge part of GNR's demise and relegation to cabaret act. If you buy into it then you're joining the list of enablers of have let this guy sail way off course and down the shitter career wise.

I'm sticking with the ones who never stop pointing this out in the sad and utterly vain hope that this old red dog may learn a few new fucking tricks and deliver the music world one last astonishing "fuck you, I told you I was amazing"

Edited July 16, 2015 by Intercourse

[tomfriend]

Axl's failure in the new millennium hasn't affected the public perception of Guns at all. Nobody outside the forums considers the current band to be Guns N' Roses. And that is solely down to Axl. It's pretty hard to see a person's bandmates as 'THE BAND' when the leader refuses to do a single group interview or photoshoot with them in 15 years, or to get in the studio with his current lineup.

[magisme]

Refugees leave too. Is it their fault their countries suck?

[RussTCB]

Cleaned up the thread some. Warned and suspended a user for 3 days for topic derailment.

Please try to keep these things on topic and not bring up bands that have absolutley nothing to do with the thread just because someone disagrees with you.

[RandallFlagg]

Some people just don't get what makes Axl so compelling and that's fine, I just take the guy as he is and accept what peculiar tangent he functions within, there's just as much to like as there is to be stumped by.

[Jordan Rose]

hes not even late anymore...

Once you remove rehearsing, soundchecking, exercising, vocal warmups, practicing new songs, putting on a decent outfit, and discussing the setlist with the band, all that's really left on your To-do list is 'roll out of bed, get on stage, half ass it, go back to bed'.

How dare you suggest that's all he does?! You so-called 'fans' make me sick. After he rolls out of bed he always has a good tug in the shower for 40 minutes and when he comes off stage he immediately puts on a fresh, tasteless, sexist t-shirt of some topless girl and then hits the clubs to find some vacuous-looking, dead-eyed, twenty-something trouts to take back to the hotel and pour champagne over.

[moreblack]

Some people just don't get what makes Axl so compelling and that's fine, I just take the guy as he is and accept what peculiar tangent he functions within, there's just as much to like as there is to be stumped by.

such as?

[Rovim]

Some people just don't get what makes Axl so compelling and that's fine, I just take the guy as he is and accept what peculiar tangent he functions within, there's just as much to like as there is to be stumped by.

such as?

Charisma, voice, style of writing. Integrity.

Edited July 16, 2015 by Rovim

[tomfriend]

Some people just don't get what makes Axl so compelling and that's fine, I just take the guy as he is and accept what peculiar tangent he functions within, there's just as much to like as there is to be stumped by.

such as?

Charisma, voice, style of writing. Integrity.

Charisma is largely gone, along with his once magnetic stage presence. Voice was shit for 95% of the last tour. Writing skills hardly matter if you only put out one album in a quarter of a century. An artist with integrity wouldn't have a fan club like Nighttrain, wouldn't have ever let A4D be released and wouldn't be whoring for Budweiser.

[Brunzopolis]

People will still be talking about Axl and GNR though.

Yeah people will still talk about Axl that how big of a joke he made of himself and GNR.

This.

Yeah, which speaks solely, and entirely, to the heights they reached before it became a joke. Simple logic.

Wrong.

Hmmm, persuasive.

Hmmm, wrong.

Corey and Slipknot will obviously be remembered whenever the Nu/Alternative Metal movement gets mentioned in the future. Maybe not as big as AFD (not GNR, AFD) but some of their music might get cult status. You have to be an Axl blind fanatic to say Slipknot will be forgotten. It won't. Hell, look at all the hair metal bands from the 80s that still have a public! They were part of a very cool music period, Slipknot, Korn, Deftones all have brilliant albums. If I have a kid one day I'll proudly say I listened to White Pony during my teenage days.

And even if Corey is forgotten (truly doubt he will). I'd rather be completely forgotten than remembered for being a sad joke and/or destroying one of the biggest bands of all time.

You're inadvertently making MY point, for me. If you see how, great. If you don't, even better.

[Nosaj Thing]

People will still be talking about Axl and GNR though.

Yeah people will still talk about Axl that how big of a joke he made of himself and GNR.

This.

Yeah, which speaks solely, and entirely, to the heights they reached before it became a joke. Simple logic.

Wrong.

Hmmm, persuasive.

Hmmm, wrong.

Corey and Slipknot will obviously be remembered whenever the Nu/Alternative Metal movement gets mentioned in the future. Maybe not as big as AFD (not GNR, AFD) but some of their music might get cult status. You have to be an Axl blind fanatic to say Slipknot will be forgotten. It won't. Hell, look at all the hair metal bands from the 80s that still have a public! They were part of a very cool music period, Slipknot, Korn, Deftones all have brilliant albums. If I have a kid one day I'll proudly say I listened to White Pony during my teenage days.

And even if Corey is forgotten (truly doubt he will). I'd rather be completely forgotten than remembered for being a sad joke and/or destroying one of the biggest bands of all time.

You're inadvertently making MY point, for me. If you see how, great. If you don't, even better.

No, I'm not -- unless you ignore than being remembered for being a joke isn't the same than being remembered for being one of the greatest.

[Intercourse]

Some people just don't get what makes Axl so compelling and that's fine, I just take the guy as he is and accept what peculiar tangent he functions within, there's just as much to like as there is to be stumped by.

If you "don't get" what makes Axl compelling then in reality you just don't find him compelling. There is nothing to "get", either his shtick floats your boat or it doesn't.

[star]

man-ass-eater..

The caller sounded like an idiot, or should i say TWAT ;P

[Val22]

Well when I saw Corey at last year's Texas Frightmare he was raving about how Robert England talked about him hanging with GNR back in the 80's. He said he was blown away by Robert's stories with the band.

This story is old and I think it's been posted before. Corey also made a comment that when he saw GNR it was all new people except for Axl and he said this band was not GNR. Whatever! It's his opinion.

I also know for a fact that when Rush tours they don't allow anyone backstage to hang with them either, so it's not just Axl who doesn't want to socialize while on tour.

[eye2eye]

Putting Deftones next to Slipknot is just massive disrespect to Deftones. They're truly artistic (whether you like them or not) White Pony was unlike any other "nu-metal" album and they just went from there. Slipknot is just funny band with some cool songs but they more about shock value than actual music which sometimes suck really bad.

And Corey is Corey he likes limelight and he is nowhere near Axl in terms of talent. Slipknot was alwyas more of Joey band, as Corey isn't good songwriter he can write generic radio/fan friendly songs but he is nowhere near Axl, not to mention vocals.

[Free Bird]

Putting Deftones next to Slipknot is just massive disrespect to Deftones. They're truly artistic (whether you like them or not) White Pony was unlike any other "nu-metal" album and they just went from there. Slipknot is just funny band with some cool songs but they more about shock value than actual music which sometimes suck really bad.

And Corey is Corey he likes limelight and he is nowhere near Axl in terms of talent. Slipknot was alwyas more of Joey band, as Corey isn't good songwriter he can write generic radio/fan friendly songs but he is nowhere near Axl, not to mention vocals.

That's not the topic

[spliff]

I also know for a fact that when Rush tours they don't allow anyone backstage to hang with them either, so it's not just Axl who doesn't want to socialize while on tour.

probably because of this

[DieselDaisy]

Slipknot started ten years later than GN'R, they are bands from different eras with different ideologies and different music.

I can understand why GN'R being late irks alot of people, but that is the brand they have carried for decades. Michael Jackson kept dancing Michael style until he pass away, Patti Smith looks odd now doing punk poetry on stage, the Sparks keyboardist still does his funny glances. Bands do what they do

Being late and pissing off thousands of fans is part of the brand identity?

You're reaching very hard here and I have to say, I would have expected better from you.

There is a hell of a difference between Michael Jackson on stage entertaining his fans and an empty fucking stage with a lot of angry, tired booing going on.

And as Jeckyl pointed out, this is not a band thing - every member past and present has hated it.

Global reports of apoplectic fans leaving three songs in to get the last train cursing Axl Rose and swearing never to come back is not a marketing plan.

To try to allude that this is somehow a worked out strategy is fucking insane

''but that is the brand they have carried for decades''? You know what made me interested in Guns N' Roses when I first discovered them in the early '90s? Not the lead guitar solos or lyrics or individual songs like Nightrain and Brownstone, but, the fact that the lead singer keeps his audiences waiting for three-four hours. I took one look at the other bands and thought, ''they do not make their crowds wait so I'm not interested in them''. Pissed off crowds, exorbitant return journey taxi fees = fuckin raw n' roll dude, an essential component of 'brand GN'R'.