I don't believe in CD2 with the old musicians

[dalsh327]

I'm sure a lot of people ask Axl about a new album, but based on how half-assed Interscope got about CD, he'll want the whole thing finished and ready to go before making an announcement, but it's more likely they'll have a new song out for a movie or TV show. 

[MisterNo]

17 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

To me they should just get into a room and write 10-12 new kickass songs.  Why not?  With Slash and Duff's work ethic they can get the band to record the album tracks in no time, Axl can lay down some vocal tracks that have his 2016 awesome voice in it, and then release than motherfucker

 

I really, really do not want another album with vocal tracks from 2002 on them regardless of what happens

I agree they should do new songs. But GNR was always using and working on older material. AFD has a lot of tracks taht were worked on in LA Guns and Hollywood Rose. UYI has songs that were written and performed even before AFD (Don't Cry, November rain...). Not to mention Chinese Democracy time frames 

 

If they do new material i guess it will be a combo - some CD2 stuff, some older GNR stuff and, I hope, a few new songs.

 

 

[El Guapo]

If Axl releases a CD  II kind of album with the Bucket, Bumble, Assba and Stinson on it while Slash and Duff are back in the band...oh boy! XD

That would make me lose every bit of respect for Slash and Duff.

[MisterNo]

It won't happen. Just like they were rerecording CD tracks as line up was changing, I think the new material will be recorded with Slah and Duff. If there will be new material, and if they stay in the band

[Jordan Rose]

So much bullshit in this thread. So many people who aren't even aware of e.g. Axl saying "I think of the next record as being the second half of Chinese," who are too thick to realise that nobody anywhere has ever said or suggested the next album is to be called Chinese 2. And yet these same clueless people are stating adamantly as fact that the next record will only feature Slash on lead and have nothing left from previous members on it. You have no idea what you are talking about. You are literally just wish-thinking based on what you want and completely assuming what Axl, the band and the record company will or wont do. The best you can guess is that there will be compromises made by all parties.

I've never said this to anyone before but a few years ago I was played three unreleased songs which will be on the next album(s). As Axl said, it's a case of "If you like Chinese, you'll probably like the new stuff." I fucking loved them. Twat is my favourite song ever and I heard something possibly even better and there is no way the guitar work is all going to be erased and recorded over. 

I talk privately to a couple people in the online community who are on the periphery of the Guns camp and nothing has changed with regard to the next album. Axl has a record he is really proud of, the core of which is basically done. Much like Chinese was largely done before Frank and BBF joined. 

Much like with Chinese as band members came and went, a lot of different things were added and subtracted and that's the exact same situation now. The only difference is that, obviously, Slash and Duff have far more influence than e.g. Frank and BBF did when they joined. But what people need to understand is that there are certain songs that are not going to be fucked with. There was no way that Ron was going to replace Bucket's parts on Twat or Prostitute. And there are unreleased songs from which Axl is not going to erase Bucket's and Robin's parts. Then there are other songs, like a Rhiad or Catcher, which are not set in stone. 

The next record will be a mixture of Chinese era songs largely untouched, Chinese era songs with contributions from the new/returning members and songs started from scratch by the current band. 

And if you don't like it, tough fucking shit, because Axl couldn't give a fuck. 

 

 

 

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45 minutes ago, Jordan Rose said:

So much bullshit in this thread. So many people who aren't even aware of e.g. Axl saying "I think of the next record as being the second half of Chinese," who are too thick to realise that nobody anywhere has ever said or suggested the next album is to be called Chinese 2. And yet these same clueless people are stating adamantly as fact that the next record will only feature Slash on lead and have nothing left from previous members on it. You have no idea what you are talking about. You are literally just wish-thinking based on what you want and completely assuming what Axl, the band and the record company will or wont do. The best you can guess is that there will be compromises made by all parties.

I've never said this to anyone before but a few years ago I was played three unreleased songs which will be on the next album(s). As Axl said, it's a case of "If you like Chinese, you'll probably like the new stuff." I fucking loved them. Twat is my favourite song ever and I heard something possibly even better and there is no way the guitar work is all going to be erased and recorded over. 

I talk privately to a couple people in the online community who are on the periphery of the Guns camp and nothing has changed with regard to the next album. Axl has a record he is really proud of, the core of which is basically done. Much like Chinese was largely done before Frank and BBF joined. 

Much like with Chinese as band members came and went, a lot of different things were added and subtracted and that's the exact same situation now. The only difference is that, obviously, Slash and Duff have far more influence than e.g. Frank and BBF did when they joined. But what people need to understand is that there are certain songs that are not going to be fucked with. There was no way that Ron was going to replace Bucket's parts on Twat or Prostitute. And there are unreleased songs from which Axl is not going to erase Bucket's and Robin's parts. Then there are other songs, like a Rhiad or Catcher, which are not set in stone. 

The next record will be a mixture of Chinese era songs largely untouched, Chinese era songs with contributions from the new/returning members and songs started from scratch by the current band. 

And if you don't like it, tough fucking shit, because Axl couldn't give a fuck. 

 

 

 

hey man, i appreciate the fact you were given the privilege of hearing a couple of unreleased songs. I also appreciate you talked to people near the guns camp. How many of any of them, know how the next album will sound though? Sometimes i wonder if even Axl himself knows it. Theres few artists who know how a work will look / sound like when finished. Brian Wilson was one of them. Case in point: pet sounds. People like these are a rarity.

At the end of the day, the clueless people as you call them... well, they are as clueless as you, me or anyone else.

So that's a bit of a moot point.

you are talking as if Axl is king and emperor, and he alone decides who, or what, will be on the next album. a bit like king kanute commanding the waves.

the reality is, a new record needs to be approved by a record company to ever have a chance of being released. Money needs to be made, preferrably huge truckloads of it. Slash + Axl is where the money is, that much is a certainty these days. Now that Slash is back in the band, no record company will want to release an album without him featuring to a huge extent.  well, not a company that wants to make money that is. (which is incidently, what all companies want to do.)

the truth of the matter is, CD was a flop already. and it was released with the fans desperate to hear something new after 15 years of nothing. well, they have, and the reactions were mixed to put it mildly. Imagine how much of them will buy another album featuring these same musicians.

So that leaves Uncle Axl with having to release the next album independently if he want to release the album "he" is proud of. And no one will buy it.

[Andrew07]

13 hours ago, F*ck Fear said:

IF new music happens, I see it being like the band itself, a hybrid.

A mix of Chinese era songs being re- recorded and re- written with brand new songs written by Axl, Slash and Duff.

 

this is our best bet, id hope, but time will tell...

[DR DOOM]

21 hours ago, Caraibes said:

NO.

it will be Fortus on Lead guitar too. He plays both, rythm AND lead.

Some of you must understand that Richard Fortus is mostly a Lead Guitar Player. The guy can play everything.

He wrote TONS of lead parts, riffs and solos afetr the CD erea. 

There is no doubt that Fortus is an accomplished lead and rhythm guitarist- we have seen that in a live capacity.

However, he was employed in 02, and his big contributions to the album for the most part are rerecording what Paul Huge wrote and played.

His big claim to fame in GNR is coming up with a riff in Better.

His previous claim to fame was playing guitar on a Smiths cover.

Yes, awesome player, I love his Mick Ronson esque vibe but for all his talent he has done very little in GNR, besides play a lot of shows.

And if he was that fucking good, why did the album come out with all the leads by guys who had quit years previously?...especially when the precedent of rerecording another guy's (superior) parts had already been set?

When you look at it, Fortus has next to nothing to do with Chinese Democracy.

[6lake sa66ath]

Release the fucking circa-1996 album that they recorded before the whole fucking thing imploded I say.. as if that's gonna happen now of course. 

Really wish they'd just start from scratch though as a group and bury everything from the CD era. 

 

[ll_tj1]

Ive believed for years now, that there are no new releases coming.  I wouldn't be suprised at all if Slash, Duff or even Izzy have re-recorded parts on previously recorded songs. And its entirely possible they've layed down some tracks for Axl to add vocals to. Nothing is out of the question. How could it be without definitive confirmation. And it would all make sense.

But, it doesnt mean it will see the light of day. Everyone knows about all the rumuoured and confirmed amount of songs that are finished and the potential amount of instrumentals. But Axl runs the show, and he's shown no sign or clue that theres a serious potential for new music to come out anytime soon. The timeline he had referred to long ago is long gone.

I still sadly believe anything new by GNR will not be heared until either Axl is in some unforseen financial situation, but this necessity is currently being permanently removed by the Not In This Liftime Tour (which is awesome!) or his passing, which would be devastating to me.

As im sure we will see with Prince, once his estate is settled, there will be a posthumous release. I would expect a box set of some kind. And then more material released accordingly. It took 15 years to get out CD, and I know it wasn't Axl's fault entirely, but he's still under the same guidelines, the same label, and the same setup as far as we are aware. Who is going to have the ability or force to command him to release anything new?

 The record label is going to want something from the current version of the band. They are not going to want anything with Bucket, Robin or Tommy on it in anyway. Meaning all those parts have to be replaced by Slash and Duff. And with the way Axl is and always has been, I just don't see him erasing all their parts and replacing them. And furthermore I certainly don't see him sitting down in the studio and rewriting an entire albums worth of music when he has a stockpile already completed.

The only possibility i could actually see, is another Greatest Hits release. This one would be an approved version by Axl, Slash and Duff in which they get to hand pick the songs they want on it for the release. And then maybe one or two previously completed songs, where Slash will replace Bucket and Robin's guitars, and Duff replacing Tommy's bass. I do not see brand new music being written by the three. This is all that really makes sense.

I hope im completely wrong in every way i just stated. But I keep reading about people talking about CD2 or new GNR music in general. And i just dont see it. After this US tour, Axl finishes with ACDC, then back to GNR for a world tour. After that, were in the end of 2017, beginning  of 2018.  I would expect a well earned hiatus at that point. And by that time, new GNR music just doesnt really make any coventional sense. But the sharks will swirl when he's gone. As they are with Prince, and when the other greats passed away with material locked away. 

Edited August 2, 2016 by ll_tj1

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1. A new greatest hits record? GNR claimed the greatest hits record was not approved by the band, they sued Geffen. What songs are they playing on the tour? Nearly every song featured on the GH record. What part of the GH record didn't they like exactly?

2. People don't see Axl erasing and replacing guitar parts on previously recorded songs? what about Slash doing exactly that on the NITL tour, night after night, with great success? What about the complete re-recording of appetite with the NUGNR hacks? What about the multiple re-recording sessions of the CD songs that were released, with numerous versions of the same songs existing in the vault?

Edited August 2, 2016 by action

[Malcolm Malcolm]

7 hours ago, RONIN said:

Chinese Democracy should never have had b-listers like finck, Fortus, frank and bumblefoot -- shows you how far this band had fallen that Axl enlisted them. No way could these journeymen session players follow Slash, Izzy and Duff The King Of Beers McKagan.

The only "nu" people who were worthy enough to be on a guns n roses album were Josh Freese, Brain, and Colonel Sanders friend, Mr. Buckethead. When those guys walked, Axl's solo project was toast. Enter Bumblefoot who shreds tastelessly over the Catcher in the Rye outro. What a clusterfuck of an album Chinese Democracy was.

Unless Axl can piece together CD 2 with Freese, Brain and Bucket -- dump it and let the originals take over. 

Damn shame about Mr. Buckethead -- the guy was a genius. Any man who can compose the most sublime guitar melodies in a chicken coop that smells of dog shit while watching super hardcore porn is no longer a man - he is a legend. 

Slash is my hero but Buckethead is Godly.

I think you are right about the loss of Buckethead being a big problem - the fall from him to DJ Ashba is a big one; but Finck and Fortus were absolutely capable of being in Axl's band.

[DieselDaisy]

4 hours ago, Jordan Rose said:

So much bullshit in this thread. So many people who aren't even aware of e.g. Axl saying "I think of the next record as being the second half of Chinese," who are too thick to realise that nobody anywhere has ever said or suggested the next album is to be called Chinese 2. And yet these same clueless people are stating adamantly as fact that the next record will only feature Slash on lead and have nothing left from previous members on it. You have no idea what you are talking about. You are literally just wish-thinking based on what you want and completely assuming what Axl, the band and the record company will or wont do. The best you can guess is that there will be compromises made by all parties.

I've never said this to anyone before but a few years ago I was played three unreleased songs which will be on the next album(s). As Axl said, it's a case of "If you like Chinese, you'll probably like the new stuff." I fucking loved them. Twat is my favourite song ever and I heard something possibly even better and there is no way the guitar work is all going to be erased and recorded over. 

I talk privately to a couple people in the online community who are on the periphery of the Guns camp and nothing has changed with regard to the next album. Axl has a record he is really proud of, the core of which is basically done. Much like Chinese was largely done before Frank and BBF joined. 

Much like with Chinese as band members came and went, a lot of different things were added and subtracted and that's the exact same situation now. The only difference is that, obviously, Slash and Duff have far more influence than e.g. Frank and BBF did when they joined. But what people need to understand is that there are certain songs that are not going to be fucked with. There was no way that Ron was going to replace Bucket's parts on Twat or Prostitute. And there are unreleased songs from which Axl is not going to erase Bucket's and Robin's parts. Then there are other songs, like a Rhiad or Catcher, which are not set in stone. 

The next record will be a mixture of Chinese era songs largely untouched, Chinese era songs with contributions from the new/returning members and songs started from scratch by the current band. 

And if you don't like it, tough fucking shit, because Axl couldn't give a fuck. 

 

 

 

Then if you are right, it will be a complete mess like Chinese Democracy,

''Hey, here comes Buckethead's solo; now here is Bumblefoot's solo; now Robin's. This bit is Fortus; here is Tobias's little riff; and this is a solo Slash added to the outro; don't forget that there are now two bassists and there are already three drummers on there to begin with - and now three keyboardists''.

Edited August 2, 2016 by DieselDaisy

[Len Cnut]

Why do people talk about CD2 as if it actually exists?

[DieselDaisy]

The thing about the whole CD, and this goes back to 1999 or whenever he returned from sabbatical, is Axl did not and never had the first possible clue about the whole thing and was speaking mostly gibberish in those old Chinese interviews. You cannot factor in replacements for instance (and their musical contributions) as if it was all some part of a preordained 'Axl scheme'; Axl had not even met any of these guys until the guy they were replacing had gotten sick and buggered off - nor can you factor in the reunion. Axl said a load of bollocks about 'trilogies', which then suddenly morphed into a ''double album'' then disappeared without a trace leaving only the one album.

Face facts, he was making it up as he went along haha.

[Nosaj Thing]

Chinese Democracy songs are so mediocre and unpopular, that the majority of fans do not give a fuck if Slash plays a different solo for them.  Aside from a handful Axl fanatics around the globe, nobody hold that excrement of an album in high regard.

[Free Bird]

This thread is so... 

I won't say Axl will or will not release CD II because I don't know. I said there won't be a reunion but there is, I said Slash won't play CD tunes but he does, so who am I to say what will happen?

But some forum members are way to self opinionated. Axl said this, Axl said that. Bullshit. First at all Axl said there won't be a reunion before he or Slash will die.

To me they look both pretty alive. And that says it all. Axl doesn't care what he said once. And GNR never did something everybody was expecting. Never. So don't be so sure, guys, about what will happen or not, because you just don't know, as much as you may want it.

[6lake sa66ath]

"I was excited about the material - the band sounded good. But we'd get a song done to an extent and wait for Axl to write a lyric and/or song. I couldn't work on songs with titles like 'Instrumental 34' anymore." (Robin, Kerrang, 12/99)

 

"It was great for a while, but then it became terribly frustrating not seeing anything completed because no lyrics were finished. [...] No one song was ever completed and I was there for two and a half years." (Robin, Wall of Sound, 05/00)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BorderlineCrazy]

It's funny to see people thinking they know it all. We all have the right to share our opinions and say what we think may happen in the future. If we're wrong after all, so what? Will it harm anybody?

Also, does it really make a difference knowing everything Axl said? He said Slash was a cancer and one of them would die before a reunion happened and here we are so all the information in the world means nothing until it translates into reality.

Axl may have a lot of ideas for a next album, still he can change his mind about a few things, or he can change it all. Or nothing, if Slash and Duff are fine with it.

We gotta wait and see, that's all we can do. In the meantime, let us think whatever the fuck we want. Thanks!

5 hours ago, Wagszilla said:

Those "B-listers" like Robin and Paul Tobias wrote 75% of the stuff on Chinese.

I'd argue Robin's the standout of the CD album, too, not Buckethead and I'm a huge Buckethead fan. 

So if you didn't like CD, that's cool, but if you did, your statement makes no sense.

What are you talking about? Better is the only song co-written by Robin. Tobias did write a few songs but so did Bucket.

Who's the standout of the album is a very personal thing I'd say. I think Robin comes up with great solos on ballads (Street Of Dreams, This I Love) but I'd take Buckethead's contributions any day.

[Mendez]

On 8/1/2016 at 1:23 PM, Silent Jay said:

I can't imagine There Was A Time or Better without Finck or Buckethead. They were just amazing. Slash is great but I like all the leads on ChDm.

Let him soloing on his own stuff, and maybe the tracks with fretless guitars like Atlas Shrugged.

OR maybe keep Brian May's original solo. Axl still probably has everything If not, then Brian May himself has copies of those sessions.

 

OR keep Robin Finck's original solo (after all, Axl had May record over Finck's solo after he left the band the 1st time.)

 

What are you talking about? Better is the only song co-written by Robin. Tobias did write a few songs but so did Bucket.

Who's the standout of the album is a very personal thing I'd say. I think Robin comes up with great solos on ballads (Street Of Dreams, This I Love) but I'd take Buckethead's contributions any day.

Robin has six additional ASCAP writing credits vs the what the album credits. Besides, its likely that all the songs written from 1998-2001 were collaborative, considering the band (minus axl) would all go into a studio and jam together, which would explain the six additional credits (and three additional credits by Tommy)

Edited August 3, 2016 by Mendez

[BorderlineCrazy]

25 minutes ago, Mendez said:

Robin has six additional ASCAP writing credits vs the what the album credits. Besides, its likely that all the songs written from 1998-2001 were collaborative, considering the band (minus axl) would all go into a studio and jam together, which would explain the six additional credits (and three additional credits by Tommy)

But acording to ASCAP, Slash and Duff co-wrote Estranged, Don't Cry, Bad Apples, November Rain... Maybe all the Illusions' stuff. Also, Martin Luther King is credited on Madagascar...

Not sure what to believe. Maybe I'll believe ASCAP 'cause I think it's fair Slash gets writing credits for Estranged! 

[Mendez]

7 hours ago, BorderlineCrazy said:

What are you talking about? Better is the only song co-written by Robin. Tobias did write a few songs but so did Bucket.

Who's the standout of the album is a very personal thing I'd say. I think Robin comes up with great solos on ballads (Street Of Dreams, This I Love) but I'd take Buckethead's contributions any day.

lol true. Slash & Duff could have been responsible for a lot of things. They couldve made the instrumental bits (meaning "hey how bout we jam a little before you come back in on vocals") after Axl's piano solo on stranged. Don't Cry is Izzy's riff/song, but maybe Slash and/or Duff came up with the progression for the solo? The ASCAP credits might just mean they came up with an integral part of any song that lasted as little as 3 seconds. But still if anything, it mattered enough to include them where they are included. (Im sure Axl thinks the Martin Luther King quotes are an important part of the song. Or maybe MLK's estate wouldn't let Axl use the audio clips without writing credits, considering that MLK wrote the speech)

Edited August 3, 2016 by Mendez

[The Holographic Universe]

17 hours ago, Len B'stard said:

Why do people talk about CD2 as if it actually exists?

excellent point

 

[DieselDaisy]

2 hours ago, BorderlineCrazy said:

Also, Martin Luther King is credited on Madagascar

All that civic activism, religion and, ehh, infidelity, and he still found time to write a song for Chinese Democracy!

[6lake sa66ath]

Madagascar was essentially done by 1999!

This quote sums up the madness of the CD-era perfectly:

 

"When we jammed, they had each guy with a Pro Tool rig adding hours of little things... you know, bells and whistles and the concept was, at least to my understanding, that they would shift through hours of music to search for one section that perhaps would be a great part of a song then they would take that piece of music and start the process over?? i thought they were all mad..." (Stevie Salas, 09/02/04)