AlexC Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, Sunset Gardner said: he exposed them when he corrected axl's fake story that he told in the interview he and Ivanka did with the TV station. Just spat out my drink. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane M. Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Oh dear God. Not the "Izzy underserved loot" discussion again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnR Chris Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said: Wasn't in the band since he quit in 1991. Never reliably showed up in the past during guest spots with whatever GNR lineup was touring. Didn't remember his old licks. I love Izzy. But he gave up the GNR partnership long ago but now he wanted back into it because he saw how big the pie was gonna be. We don't know what he was offered vs what he felt he deserved. So why make baseless comments like HE was somehow slighted? Why should we believe him over Axl? At least Axl has a history of being honest (sometimes to a fault). Izzy has a history of being somewhat of a recluse who shies away from social media and interviews. Izzy on Twitter was a CLEAR way for him to try to garner public favor and put pressure on GNR. I see it worked on some of you. 18 minutes ago, tsinindy said: How much was pit in Chicago? Same as the current stadium tour. $250 a ticket. Edited May 25, 2017 by GnR Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 8 hours ago, KiernanProud said: Hilarious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynard Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Jane M. said: Oh dear God. Not the "Izzy underserved loot" discussion again. If Izzy requested a lot of money to do just a number of shows instead of doing the whole tour, which is very likely knowing his history, I wouldn't blame Axl, Slash and Duff. IF (big if) he was up to do this whole touring cycle and got rejected then fuck those three. Deep down I have a feeling Izzy wanted lots of money to do whatever he wanted. It's just a guess but seems like a very possible scenario. And things became ugly to the point he won't do any guest appearance soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsinindy Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, GnR Chris said: Same as the current stadium tour. $250 a ticket. Thanks for the info, had to unlike your post not sure I agree with you on all the Izzy stuff but only bc neither of us know the facts and you speculating as much as ZoSo is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ZoSoRose Posted May 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2017 Just now, GnR Chris said: Wasn't in the band since he quit in 1991. Never reliably showed up in the past during guest spots with whatever GNR lineup was touring. Didn't remember his old licks. I love Izzy. But he gave up the GNR partnership long ago but now he wanted back into it because he saw how big the pie was gonna be. We don't know what he was offered vs what he felt he deserved. So why make baseless comments like HE was somehow slighted? Why should we believe him over Axl? At least Axl has a history of being honest (sometimes to a fault). Izzy has a history of being somewhat of a recluse who shies away from social media and interviews. Izzy on Twitter was a CLEAR way for him to try to garner public favor. I see it worked on some of you. Legit question, why do you post here? Its clear you don't like it much on here since you barely do and the few times you do post, you do so just to vehemently defend the band. This forum is huge, and of course not everyone is going to like everything the band does (or doesn't do). Its what makes this place interesting. Its cool for you to have your own views too, but man, Izzy helped found the band and wrote a ton of the material. Of course he deserved proper pay. Come on, man... anyways, I knew this announcement would just be tour dates, no harm no foul for me, but I get why people are starved for new material. Axl has done one record in 2 decades, of course fans are going to be critical and want more. An artist who doesn't produce new art? Its going to irk people. Personally, I don't give a shit if the reunion is a cash grab anymore. I really loved every show and experience I had around GNR last year. I'm not as hyped for the Detroit show this year now because I feel like I got what I wanted out of the band in terms of what they were offering. Sure, I think Izzy and Steven should have been on board and I think new material would have been great, but I took the tour for what it was and am happy with it. Now, I'm not as on the edge of my seat anymore because they'll have been doing the same thing for years. That's cool, I get it, but I also get why others are irked. I like that people don't praise everything Axl does to a T on here, that'd be boring as fuck. Its better to be objective imo, makes the place more lively. ... and I don't think Axl's "honesty" means his version of events are always true. He isn't exactly "Guns N Roses Gospel" imo, they all have the right to their own views since they were all there at the start. I don't give a fuck if Izzy wanted back in because of money, because that is probably why Axl, Slash, and Duff are doing this. Why shouldn't Izzy want back in? NuGNR wasn't exactly the same band as the GNR that recorded AfD. Since the majority of the classic dudes were getting back together, why the fuck shouldn't Izzy be interested? Its clear to me they couldn't reach a deal financially. Axl and Duff just shrugged off the Izzy question in that Brazilian interview, and from Steven's comments we can tell Axl and the gang weren't exactly thrilled about his participation in any way. This isn't some grand conspiracy, and these guys don't have the reputation for being saints. Not saying they are bad people now, it seems they at least sort of grew up, but why is it a stretch to believe some people got fucked over by the reunion? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlsFavoriteRose Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 5 hours ago, KeyserSoze said: Nightrain wanted to give me the far end of the lower bowl in Houston for $250. Refreshed and got a floor ticket in front of the extended part of the stage. Refreshed again and got a floor ticket behind the GA pit on slashes side.. fuckin hell! ok i just found out about the tickets in Oakland! my BFF lives in Sac so i could stay with her and MAKE her come with me to the concert! soooo yeah the announcement was pretty awesome for me. it would be cool as hell to go to LA but i could never talk her into that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Sparkle Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 The have turned into REO Speedwagon. Just touring forever off of old shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 23 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said: Legit question, why do you post here? Its clear you don't like it much on here since you barely do and the few times you do post, you do so just to vehemently defend the band. This is a GNR forum. Maybe he likes GNR, you know? Jesus, the things you read on here. Roll on Saturday, so we can scrutinise shows again 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Lio said: This is a GNR forum. Maybe he likes GNR, you know? Jesus, the things you read on here. Roll on Saturday, so we can scrutinise shows again FUck you are right. I'm too jaded and high right now sorry @GnR Chris Edited May 25, 2017 by ZoSoRose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trin9498 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 8 hours ago, Subtle Signs said: Probably 2 grand again. Yeah it was $1990 for VIP front row and 1000 for the other package. No thanks. Got regular tix and they were still 245 plus fees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkenchantress Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 7 hours ago, Lio said: You should only go for your own enjoyment. When I go to a show, where my money goes to, is the last of my worries. I go because I want to and because I hope to have a great time. That should be the only thing you consider. If you'll be getting worked up all night because Izzy isn't there and because they're not making the right decisions, save yourself the money and stress and don't go. The money issue is not really important, is the feeling. I kinda hate myself for not feeling even a little excited to see my favorite band (well, what's left of it) live for the first time. I'm afraid of my reaction, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be disappointed and even though Izzy and Steven not being there is a big reason for it, is not the only one. I suppose I'll end up going and having a good time with my people but as i said, I'm afraid of what's going to mean for me. It's weird, I know but it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskingApathy Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 2 hours ago, beautifulanddamned said: Weren't there rumors that Slash and Duff were signed to a 2 year contract with this band? If so, it would make sense. They'll do as many shows as possible this year and get their creative rocks off doing solo stuff next year. Hopefully the gag order will be lifted, and Slash won't be forever mute. This seems most likely to me. Hoping for a new SMKC album next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourteenbeers Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, GnR Chris said: How exactly did Izzy expose them? He wanted more cash than he deserved and has not EVER completed a world tour. He's unreliable. ALSO, Fortus was still in the band. They didn't have a rhythm vacancy. Adler was given guest opportunities and squandered it. He is another one who's completely unreliable. You don't have to attend the shows. I'm personally PUMPED to see them swing through my town again. "Cash grab." "Selling souls." Give me a break. We waited years and never thought Slash and Axl would play together again, and now people are complaining about it already, about a year into it. Why do you even post at a gnr fan site? Izzy is unreliable because he left the band in early 90's (trying to stay off drugs in a band spiraling out of control)? Axl was jumping into audience, showing up late and causing riots at the same time.. but past deeds don't make him unreliable, unlike Izzy? IDK if AFD -tour counts as a world tour, but it lasted 16 months...and the whole classic lineup was still together when it ended. I'm not 100% sure what exactly Izzy was offered and or what he asked for (how much money and was it just guest spots or something more) Sure there's second hand information but none of the parties directly involved have given precise information. But you seem to know better, because you know that Izzy was the one who asked more than he deserved... not the other three. I guess he should have done it for free, for the love of music and the fans (because he's the unreliable one, right?) I have never called this tour a cash grab, (or that somebody is selling their soul) of course they want to make money. However, when time goes on and nothing new or creative (new music etc.) seems to appear, it doesn't make this "reunion" look very good. I've bought my ticket last year, so I'm going to see them (especially because this is my first time to get to see them live). I hope it will be a good show, despite everything I just wrote here. I'm Izzy fangirl, so I'm as biased as it gets, but some parts of your post seemed slightly exaggerated to me. (and some parts of mine are exaggerated too - I will admit it) Edited May 25, 2017 by Fourteenbeers typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post delilahrose Posted May 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said: This seems most likely to me. Hoping for a new SMKC album next year. Mark Tremonti said that Alter Bridge will tour the remainder of the year and then take a break in 2018 so Myles can work with Slash. And if Slash signed 2 years with GN'R, then it makes sense that he'd hook back up with Myles. I love SMKC! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delilahrose Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Fourteenbeers said: Izzy is unreliable because he left the band in early 90's (trying to stay off drugs in a band spiraling out of control)? Axl was jumping into audience, showing up late and causing riots at the same time.. but past deeds don't make him unreliable, unlike Izzy? IDK if AFD -tour counts as a world tour, but it lasted 16 months...and the whole classic lineup was still together when it ended. I'm not 100% sure what exactly Izzy was offered and or what he asked for (how much money and was it just guest spots or something more) Sure there's second hand information but none of the parties directly involved have given precise information. But you seem to know better, because you know that Izzy was the one who asked more than he deserved... not the other three. I guess he should have done it for free, for the love of music and the fans (because he's the unreliable one, right?) I have never called this tour a cash grab, (or that somebody is selling their soul) of course they want to make money. However, when time goes on and nothing new or creative (new music etc.) seems to appear, it doesn't make this "reunion" look very good. I've bough my ticket last year, so I'm going to see them (especially because this is my first time to get to see them live). I hope it will be a good show, despite everything I just wrote here. I'm Izzy fangirl, so I'm as bias as it gets, but some parts of your post seemed slightly exaggerated to me. (and some parts of mine are exaggerated too - I will admit it) Agreed!! Izzy was trying to save himself and get away from the negativity. You certainly can't blame the guy for that! I would have left too. I honestly don't think he was ever approached or asked to be part of the tour. (That's only my opinion, but I truly believe it.) Maybe they thought he wouldn't like it or would want to leave halfway through or something. I don't know. And maybe he figured that them not asking him to be a major part of it meant that they didn't want to "share the loot." We'll never really know the whole truth. You'll have a good time! It will be a great show! Edited May 25, 2017 by delilahrose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskingApathy Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 So the current ticket prices are more than what I payed last year for floor level seats. I think it might be better to wait and see if any of the pit or front sections of the floor level seats become available at a lower price. What do you all think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 If Axl can become reliable, then Im sure Izzy can 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 14 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said: This seems most likely to me. Hoping for a new SMKC album next year. I would rather hear a new side project with Slash, Duff, Richard and Frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicDwolfwood Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 No surprise that this was kinda a let down...or atleast nothing exciting and fresh. but that comes with being a GNR fan. You're let down far more often that not. Its not all doom and gloom though, Arenas atleast sound better than stadiums. I may go see them at the forum, more so because I didnt get to take my little bro with me since I was a broke college student last august. Id like for him to get to see this show atleast once. Chris Cornell's death put alot of shit into perspective for me. enjoy your heroes while they are alive, Sadly I wont get to do that with Soundgarden as they are most likely finished as a band, and any hopes of new music died with him sadly. So although, its not what I wanted, I'll consider going if the price is right, and who knows..maybe something cool happens at the Forum to close out another US Tour. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cqleonardo Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Mark my words... They gonna do the entire 2017, rest, Axl maybe's gonna do something with Angus, Slash with Myles and the Conspirators and in 2019-2020, they gonna do the same tour again.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GnR Chris Posted May 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) I just look at it objectively. - I don't begrudge Izzy for leaving when he did. But he willingly gave up the rights to the partnership, wanted the payout, and still was paid handsomely for years after he left. - Slash and Duff returned to the fold, but both positions were vacated by previous members of the band. So it APPEARS at least to be much more organic. Axl never kicked out Bumble, DJ, or Tommy. And that's by all accounts we have. Why should Axl kick out Fortus for Izzy, exactly? Someone who has reliably toured as a member of GNR for all this time for a guy who seems to fly by the seat of his pants and has NEVER shown the want to fulfill a huge tour. I understand people change. But that would seriously put the band in jeopardy. - Axl stated several years ago the classic lineup would likely never reform. He specifically said he could see it happening with Duff and Slash, not Adler. And I think he said not Izzy either, but can't remember. I perhaps worded it stronger than I intended when I said Izzy wanted more than he deserved. I don't know what went on in the discussions. I can't monetize what he's worth. I just assume he was being offered a smaller piece of it and wanted more. Maybe he wanted back in the partnership? Or to split it equally (which again is ridiculous consider so many factors, including who most fans come out to see). The other three have always worked harder in the band regardless of who wrote the songs. Izzy was a prolific songwriter, but by all accounts, never interested in the commercial aspects. The touring, the studio work, the marketing, etc. They had a problem with this dating all the way back to the early '90s. Saying you don't want to go to the live show 'cause it's not the classic lineup, well, that's your prerogative. But begrudging the current members of GNR for it is absolutely silly. I'll always love the sound of the classic five the most. I don't care if I never see Adler again. And I'd love for Izzy to be back in some capacity. But I understand why he isn't. Edited May 25, 2017 by GnR Chris 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeypeeps Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 23 hours ago, ironmt said: I just checked this morning and It looks like prices have come down a bit and sells have picked up drastically for the first few shows. Ticket sells will get even better as the concerts get closer. I hope so. I love going to shows with huge crowds. I already have tickets to San Antonio, but now Houston, too. I'm really excited! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmt Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Joeypeeps said: I hope so. I love going to shows with huge crowds. I already have tickets to San Antonio, but now Houston, too. I'm really excited! Good for you, there Is nothing like being there live and youtube doesn't do the actual event any justice. As far as ticket sells are concerned, they were lagging last year also for most of the second shows that were added and by show time they were packed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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