GNR jumped the dolphin (finally)

[killuridols]

2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Guns are a band for River Plate supporting fannies. 

hahah yeah, exactly!

[DieselDaisy]

1 minute ago, killuridols said:

hahah yeah, exactly!

Long live Boca.

[killuridols]

1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

Long live Boca.

Hmmm, nope!

Like the Sir you are, you should support River Plate!

[DieselDaisy]

2 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Hmmm, nope!

Like the Sir you are, you should support River Plate!

More of an Independiente chap myself. 

[Len Cnut]

On 02/08/2018 at 4:56 PM, Axl_morris said:

...you been ripping off the kids of their hard earned money..

I think you’ll find its ‘...you’ve been rippin’ off the fuckin’ kids while they’ve been payin’ their hard earned money..’. Come on lad, call yourself a fan, I ain’t listened to that song in over a decade I’m sure

[BangoSkank]

On 8/2/2018 at 2:54 AM, zigzagbigbag said:

Well, today I received an email in german by GNR/UMG which reads something like:

"Hi ____, you bought the L&L box and thereby prooved that you are one of the biggest GNR fans worldwide. As a thank you ...." (at this stage I was like 🎉) "we are happy to give you a preorder-possibility and a discount of 15% to one of 50 exclusive band photo prints of Ross Halfin"

I then clicked the button to the webshop and have to learn that these fuckers seriously charge EUR 260 for one fuckin picture ... this means a photo print!

GUNS N FUCKIN ROSES, here's  my answer:

PISS FUCKIN OFF!

I paid 1000 (in words: one thousand) euros for a box set and your are holding back one "exclusive" picture just to offer it to me one month later for another EUR 260 separately because I prooved that I am one of the biggest fans worldwide?!?!?! Oh, of course I forgot the discount. 

I am still shaking my head. Seriously, PISS FUCKIN OFF!

Enough is enough. 

 

 

This is expressly why I did not buy tickets to the arenas shows and will not buy the box set, no matter how appealing both are:

T  o  o    m  u  c  h    f  u  c  k  i  n  g   m  o  n  e  y. 

[SoulMonster]

I think they were poor. Not in the sense that they couldn't give up their life in Hollywood and return home, because they always more or less had that option - so in that sense it was their own choice - but because they had decided to make it as a band and do what it took to succeed. And remember that Axl, Izzy and Duff were transplants, they were far from home, they couldn't just run home to have some food whenever they were starving. They had to somehow sustain themselves in L.A. by themselves, AND make it as musicians. As far as I know, Axl, Izzy and Duff had little financial support from home. And although they sacrificed many things we would take for granted, I mean in many ways they were bums and drifters, they still had some expensive habits that made it hard for them to make ends meet.

Here are a few quotes:

Axl: When this band got together everybody was basically starving [BAM, November 1987].

We have all read the stories about the band hooking up just to have a place to stay, building the loft at Gardner's to have a place to sleep, stealing from the ladies' purses to have money for food, etc. I am sure lots of this was exaggerated, but I don't doubt they lived from hand to mouth. Axl described his life back then as living like "rats in the street".

Izzy: I enjoy life more now, I'm not so pissed off all the time. When you got no bread, drug problems, no money and winos in your alley throwing up, it does tend to aggravate you. It's much better now. I can live like a normal person. I mean, for the 10 years I lived here, I never had a bed. I just bought one - and it's a futon. I guess I'm used to lying on the floor [Musician, December 1988].

I get the impression Izzy had it the hardest. Just consider the quote above. He lived on floors. Axl was also described as homeless, just staying wherever he could sleep for a few years. Again, they were transplants -- they came to Hollywood to make it, no matter what. Slash and Steven could always head home if it got too bad.

Slash: The noticeable difference in mine is I have a... you know, supply of cigarettes and booze and stuff. [laughs] I got a place finally. I mean, there's differences [MTV, October 1988].

Steven: I can eat whatever I want [Japanese TV, December 1988].

Duff: I have a car now. Nothing really... I mean, you don't have to worry... basically where your next meal, or next bottle's coming from now [MTV, October 1988].

[DieselDaisy]

I don't believe I have given Guns a penny since 2012 when I saw Nuguns!

Well that is a fairly easy accomplishment considering they release nowt. 

[killuridols]

Their "Poorness" was more due to being lazy asses, bums, not because of a social context that pushed them to live in poverty because of high rates of unemployement.

Duff was the hard-working one, I think. He got a job as a cook or something in some restaurant.

[killuridols]

49 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I don't believe I have given Guns a penny since 2012 when I saw Nuguns!

Well that is a fairly easy accomplishment considering they release nowt. 

Why did YOU (of all people) went to see nuGuns but you have not spent money to see the semi-real GN'R?

[DieselDaisy]

Just now, killuridols said:

Why did YOU (of all people) went to see nuGuns but you have not spent money to see the semi-real GN'R?

That tells you how disillusioned with the whole thing I became. I was already fairly disillusion when I saw them in 2012 to be honest. 

[killuridols]

Just now, DieselDaisy said:

That tells you how disillusioned with the whole thing I became. I was already fairly disillusion when I saw them in 2012 to be honest. 

hmmm..... I understand but I don't understand. You could have thought of it as cleansing yourself of Ashba, like a bath to get rid of demons!!!

[DieselDaisy]

4 minutes ago, killuridols said:

hmmm..... I understand but I don't understand. You could have thought of it as cleansing yourself of Ashba, like a bath to get rid of demons!!!

Seeing them in '12 was the last gasp of ''abused housewife syndrome'' (i.e., wife gets beaten-up by husband, returns, only to go through the same cycle).

I saw them in '06 also but back then I thought Rose would deliver up a trilogy of sophisticated masterpieces haha. What an idiot I was!

[guitarpatch]

48 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Their "Poorness" was more due to being lazy asses, bums, not because of a social context that pushed them to live in poverty because of high rates of unemployement.

Duff was the hard-working one, I think. He got a job as a cook or something in some restaurant.

Try and be committed to a band on that level and see where your career takes you. Nothing to do with laziness. Maybe priorities. Being a line cook wasn’t exactly a great paying gig. At least not enough to claim he was anything but lower class 

[killuridols]

37 minutes ago, guitarpatch said:

Try and be committed to a band on that level and see where your career takes you. Nothing to do with laziness. Maybe priorities. Being a line cook wasn’t exactly a great paying gig. At least not enough to claim he was anything but lower class 

Laziness in the sense that for them it was "be a rockstar" or nothing.  They didn't want to settle for regular jobs.

A different thing is being poor for not having choices. They did have choices but as you said, they had priorities or a plan in mind, that had to be executed at any cost.

When I mention Duff being a cook, I mean the guy wasnt scared of having a regular job while trying to be a rockstar. That's why he had a roof and Axl didnt. Axl was the laziest, I think. Maybe along with Izzy or Steven. 

Izzy didnt have a decent job, he was a drug dealer, women dealer. But that doesn't mean he couldn't do something else. He could have done something else, he just didn't want to.

1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

Seeing them in '12 was the last gasp of ''abused housewife syndrome'' (i.e., wife gets beaten-up by husband, returns, only to go through the same cycle).

I saw them in '06 also but back then I thought Rose would deliver up a trilogy of sophisticated masterpieces haha. What an idiot I was!

Wife cant always leave the beating husband but you could have healed yourself and find the real love of the Slash, a.k.a., the new good husband 

I can't believe you still haven't dusted yourself off of the Ashba and porn mustache and bloated beer gut! (Oh wait... in 2012 he didn't have a bloated gut , right?)

[guitarpatch]

21 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Laziness in the sense that for them it was "be a rockstar" or nothing.  They didn't want to settle for regular jobs.

A different thing is being poor for not having choices. They did have choices but as you said, they had priorities or a plan in mind, that had to be executed at any cost.

When I mention Duff being a cook, I mean the guy wasnt scared of having a regular job while trying to be a rockstar. That's why he had a roof and Axl didnt. Axl was the laziest, I think. Maybe along with Izzy or Steven. 

Izzy didnt have a decent job, he was a drug dealer, women dealer. But that doesn't mean he couldn't do something else. He could have done something else, he just didn't want to.

Wife cant always leave the beating husband but you could have healed yourself and find the real love of the Slash, a.k.a., the new good husband 

I can't believe you still haven't dusted yourself off of the Ashba and porn mustache and bloated beer gut! (Oh wait... in 2012 he didn't have a bloated gut , right?)

Doesn’t mean they were lazy. They were barely high school educated and that meant they could get general labor jobs. There was def a ceiling at what they could obtain and they prob didn’t make much $. So yeah I would call them lower class in the USA 

[Rovim]

2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

They were only ever in it for the money to begin with.

 

like the stones, pink floyd and many others. maybe not just for the money. I remember this one time where axl said the art comes first and the money second but if I was living this lavishly i'd also want to keep it going and capitalize on the demand and get to play with the current line up first plus the touring was intense maybe it's best to judge when they all get more time off and really get a chance to get together and maybe be productive. the've made a shitload of money maybe someone will remember the art part of it soon.

Edited August 6, 2018 by Rovim

[Blackstar]

Axl had a job at Tower Video and he had even gotten a promotion, but he was fired because there was partying going on during his shifts

Slash worked there too, as well as at the newsstand and was fired because he was using the phone all the time to make calls about GnR.

Duff worked for a shady business in L.A. and Izzy had worked there too for a while.

[AXL_N_DIZZY]

To me Axl’s always been a “Don’t like your situation? Change it.”-type of guy- which I respect the hell out of. I’ve never seen him as some kind of “people’s champion”- en masse though (except maybe for the average Chinese person vis-a-vis Chinese Democracy- but that’s a whole different discussion). In fact I think a lot of his UYI-era “activities” were a reflection of his having busted his ass (and risked everything) to make it- and consequently enjoying the hell out of it when he did (which to me actually makes him very human and “real”).

Anyway- FWIW my memory of the Guns/Metallica show I went to in ‘92 was that all the carpenters, truck drivers, tradesmen, etc. were Metallica fans, and that they specifically struggled to undertand/relate to Axl/Guns- who by then were far more popular with the yuppies, preps, skaters, women/girls, etc.

Edited August 7, 2018 by AXL_N_DIZZY

[SoulMonster]

7 hours ago, killuridols said:

Laziness in the sense that for them it was "be a rockstar" or nothing.  They didn't want to settle for regular jobs.

A different thing is being poor for not having choices. They did have choices but as you said, they had priorities or a plan in mind, that had to be executed at any cost.

When I mention Duff being a cook, I mean the guy wasnt scared of having a regular job while trying to be a rockstar. That's why he had a roof and Axl didnt. Axl was the laziest, I think. Maybe along with Izzy or Steven. 

Izzy didnt have a decent job, he was a drug dealer, women dealer. But that doesn't mean he couldn't do something else. He could have done something else, he just didn't want to.

I don't think we have any reason to assume any of them were lazy, really. Most of them had the odd job - they had to earn some money before they succeeded. The only one I can't remember having had a job (but my memory is poor) is Steven, unless we account for working the streets. But there are many mentions of how hard they worked to make it as a band. Especially Slash put in a lot of effort. Slash is always active, always have been, still to this day. Duff is also hard-working. 

[zigzagbigbag]

10 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Seeing them in '12 was the last gasp of ''abused housewife syndrome'' (i.e., wife gets beaten-up by husband, returns, only to go through the same cycle).

I saw them in '06 also but back then I thought Rose would deliver up a trilogy of sophisticated masterpieces haha. What an idiot I was!

Really, not to offend you but what I still don't get is why people like you are still being around here. 

Speaking in your picture, it's like the wife being beaten several times and being divorced afterwards always texting to her former husbands new wife and/or his friends what an asshole he is on a daily business. What's the point about this except for annoying other people?! Being divorced means going separate ways. 

I was lurking this forum for many, many years before finally signing up. But I cannot remember one positive post from you about GNR within all the years. As I said, I don't want to offend you but I am just saying cause as far as I know this still is a GNR forum for fans. And in my opinion fans are people who like other people, what in no way means a fan isn't allowed to be critical. But being purely negative ... well. 

Edited August 7, 2018 by zigzagbigbag

[DieselDaisy]

13 minutes ago, zigzagbigbag said:

Really, not to offend you but what I still don't get is why people like you are still being around here. 

Speaking in your picture, it's like the wife being beaten several times and being divorced afterwards always texting to her former husbands new wife and/or his friends what an asshole he is on a daily business. What's the point about this except for annoying other people?! Being divorced means going separate ways. 

I was lurking this forum for many, many years before finally signing up. But I cannot remember one positive post from you about GNR within all the years. As I said, I don't want to offend you but I am just saying cause as far as I know this still is a GNR forum for fans. And in my opinion fans are people who like other people, what in no way means a fan isn't allowed to be critical. But being purely negative ... well. 

Most of my posts are in the non-GN'R boards. That probably tells you why.

 

[zigzagbigbag]

13 minutes ago, Wagszilla said:

I just got this email about a new photo print.

Was this the one you got OP?

EDIT: It's up on the store now too. 

😂 I would have laughed my ass off if this would have been the mail I received. Unfortunately its not. Otherwise I would have ordered the picture within seconds 😂

[zigzagbigbag]

12 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Most of my posts are in the non-GN'R boards. That probably tells you why.

 

Mmmh. Why then not limiting yourself to those threads?!  I do not read non GNR threads inhere. All I can say is that you post in GNR related threads very often and it's nothing but negativity. 

I don't care, mate. I just wanted to understand what I still don't do. But anyway, people are different. 

[DieselDaisy]

3 minutes ago, zigzagbigbag said:

Mmmh. Why then not limiting yourself to those threads?!  I do not read non GNR threads inhere. All I can say is that you post in GNR related threads very often and it's nothing but negativity. 

I don't care, mate. I just wanted to understand what I still don't do. But anyway, people are different. 

What exactly do you want me to be positive about? 

I did in my defence praise the introduction of ''Slither'' and welcomed the news of the Conspirators (although I didn't personally care for the single). I await the AC/DC development.

But I'm hardly going to act positively when there is nothing present which would instigate such an emotion. Something needs to trigger such an emotional response.