Guns N' Roses rehearsal 2002 VMA

[zombux]

3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

''Guns N' Roses hire psychopath in war with fans''.

 

"BREAKING: A fanatic cult secretly hired to harass the fans."

[smiley]

Thank you for the effort and attempt.

As sad as it is... after all these years us diehards really have to realize that the band doesn't care about fans in any big way. We need to continue to love the music if we want, but not expect much else. Ultimately, the music is the important piece anyway. What's sad is that I kind of expect something from Slash or Duff as they used to seem pretty responsive to fans - perhaps the reunion has strings tied to it that limits what they can do with the public.

Personally, the NITL shows are not doing much for me... I don't see the chemistry on the stage anymore. I continue to prefer older stuff... so unless they end up releasing new music, I'll attempt to come to terms with the reality that my favorite band doesn't give a shit about any of us.

 

[marunic]

2002 GNR > 2018 GNR

Least they'd change the setlist

Edited August 13, 2018 by marunic

[marunic]

Tbh watching the old 2002 clips, i miss all the rants and shit

 

[donny]

lets hope TBs negligence doesn't result in people thinking its time to take matters into their own hands.

this song is for you pizza face, mofo and your cross dressing brother.

 

[marunic]

4 minutes ago, Wagszilla said:

not gonna be a popular opinion but i also think 2006 was the 2nd best time for GNR/Axl. The 2000s in general were great for GNR (live wise), realistically 2006 axl could match up to 90s axl

 

Edited August 13, 2018 by marunic

[DieselDaisy]

Rose was crazy as a March Hare in 2002.

[DieselDaisy]

1 minute ago, Wagszilla said:

I love a good Daisy metaphor in the morning. 

Should have said ''mad'' really. 

[Jw224]

7 hours ago, marunic said:

Tbh watching the old 2002 clips, i miss all the rants and shit

 

He sounds properly mental there haha. 

[Amir]

Despite the opening paragraph about the album not being made for himself and it being made in an effort to raise awareness of the likes of Riad, I feel the last paragraph beginning with "This is how I spent my summer" rings more true, at least for the songs that made the final album. There are still songs about political/social issues such as the title track, Riad, and Maddy, but we also know that Oklahoma/Berlin, The General and perhaps others would have been more in that vein than, say, ballads like Better and TWAT.

The whole thing was an attempt at some kind of catharsis for Axl, but I don't think he really got that catharsis until he spoke with Slash in 2015. I think, besides money, that may have been a reason he went for the reunion over releasing a the second part of Chinese that he seemed to be working on with Pitman in 2014 and 2015 for a potential 2016 release.

[Amir]

1 minute ago, Wagszilla said:

I agree with this.

I still have questions about the concept of the album, however.  

Was it what Axl intended it to be? Did he miss the mark artistically? Did the record company dilute the message via the track list and leaks?

But at the end of the day, I find it to have personal revelations but an incomprehensible political message or criticism. 

The essay in the middle is far more interesting in that respect. 

I think the leaks influenced the track listing, in that it made sense to release songs that were already "out there". We know Axl wasn't that keen on having This I Love on ChiDem, or at least the first part of it, and that Atlas almost made it on there. On the other hand, Axl talks about the track listing not being random in an interview after its release (can't find the quote now).

On another note, I'm surprised more hasn't been made of the inclusion of The Flat Earth Society among suggested charities in the Red Hand and Grenade booklets. Was it a joke or is Axl actually serious about that stuff?

[bdinan]

I enjoyed to 2002-06 era. It seemed more organic. The shows were actually "shows" - Axl's banter was entertaining, and part of the adrenaline of whether or not he will show up, whether or not he would throw a tirade, or start a riot was kind of enjoyable in some sick, twisted way. It all seems manufactured. It seems like a bunch of employees doing their "job." Don't get me wrong, the shows have been pretty solid for the most part, despite Axl not being his best vocally, but there's just something off about it. It's hard to compare eras - you're never gonna have the illusions era again. I just think you're looking at a bunch of guys cashing in on a huge opportunity. 

I don't blame the band one bit for cashing in on opportunity. I think most of us would do the same. I don't consider Axl or anyone "sellouts." They're just doing what's right by them and their loved ones. 

I just think the excitement of this "NITL" tour wore off rather quickly. 

Might be a product of modern technology. Nowadays it is impossible to prevent bootlegs. Everyone has a high def recording device in their pocket, so you're getting the shows real time. Back in 02-06, you had to wait hours - sometimes days, weeks or months for even low quality clips. The thrill of actually going to the shows was something more that doesn't exist anymore - but I guess that can apply to any live act.

Maybe I'm just a cantankerous old man... lol

[Blackstar]

53 minutes ago, Amir said:

Despite the opening paragraph about the album not being made for himself and it being made in an effort to raise awareness of the likes of Riad, I feel the last paragraph beginning with "This is how I spent my summer" rings more true, at least for the songs that made the final album. There are still songs about political/social issues such as the title track, Riad, and Maddy, but we also know that Oklahoma/Berlin, The General and perhaps others would have been more in that vein than, say, ballads like Better and TWAT.

I've taken "This is how I spent my summer" as not being literal (as in the summer of 2008), but as a kind of (self) ironic metaphor for the time it took for the album to be released.

22 minutes ago, Amir said:

On another note, I'm surprised more hasn't been made of the inclusion of The Flat Earth Society among suggested charities in the Red Hand and Grenade booklets. Was it a joke or is Axl actually serious about that stuff?

Joke is my guess. I mean, Axl is known for believing in some weird stuff, but I don't think this is one of them

[nycgunner]

10 hours ago, marunic said:

Tbh watching the old 2002 clips, i miss all the rants and shit

 

He’s so out of breath in this recording. That entire tour Axl felt like he was gasping for air, but he did have some epic screams. 

Also loved the rants and his general crowd engagement.  NITL-Axl feels like a hostage in some way.  Was there even 1 rant on this 2016/2018 tour?

 

[Blackstar]

3 minutes ago, Wagszilla said:

I take literally, as in the summer of 1999. 

Yeah, it's a legit interpretation, I guess

[Amir]

The “This is how I spent my summer” is supposed to evoke a sense of a kid writing about their summer for a project at school, I think. Isn’t that a common thing in schools in the US, to write about how you spent your summer? As in, those wilderness years for Axl are kind of like an extended bizarre summer vacation.

[History2010]

Axl talked to us a lot in St. Louis. That was a fuckin awesome show and the vibe was great. 

[Blackstar]

13 minutes ago, nycgunner said:

Also loved the rants and his general crowd engagement.  NITL-Axl feels like a hostage in some way.  Was there even 1 rant on this 2016/2018 tour?

I think Axl hasn't really ever ranted on stage since 2002 (with the exception of a couple of times in 2006), has he? After 2010 it's been just a few words or little stories between songs that can't be considered "rants".

He has told some short stories (about songs mainly) during the NITL tour.

Edited August 14, 2018 by Blackstar

[WhazUp]

5 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I think Axl hasn't really ever ranted on stage since 2002 (with the exception of a couple of times in 2006), has he? After 2010 it's been just a few words or little stories between songs that can't be considered "rants".

He has told some short stories (about songs mainly) during the NITL tour.

I wonder if that is a sign of a more mentally stable Axl?  At least in the Illusion days it seemed like a lot of his rants were him getting his own personal demons out there - and his 2002 rants were filled with his unresolved feelings towards Slash and the old band lol

Considering how he said the last few years have been great when he was on Kimmel in 2012, to me I can see how a mentally happier Axl means less stuff to rant about

[Gibson87]

13 minutes ago, History2010 said:

Axl talked to us a lot in St. Louis. That was a fuckin awesome show and the vibe was great. 

Dude I was there. The whole story about the meat locker and the FBI was pretty fuckin funny. Best show I've ever been to

[History2010]

4 minutes ago, Gibson_Guy87 said:

Dude I was there. The whole story about the meat locker and the FBI was pretty fuckin funny. Best show I've ever been to

It was an amazing memory. I still slightly prefer the KC show I went to in 2016, but I will always cherish both shows. I still keep my ticket on my desk.

[Blackstar]

27 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

I wonder if that is a sign of a more mentally stable Axl?  At least in the Illusion days it seemed like a lot of his rants were him getting his own personal demons out there - and his 2002 rants were filled with his unresolved feelings towards Slash and the old band lol

Considering how he said the last few years have been great when he was on Kimmel in 2012, to me I can see how a mentally happier Axl means less stuff to rant about

I don't know if it's a sign of that. It could be that he "grew up". Or that he saw the rants as part of a past he wanted to put behind. Or that he regretted that he had opened up too much in the past (not only with his rants, but also with his interviews) and "silence" was his new way to deal with things. This is someone who suddenly went from being accused of "talking too much" to disappearing from the public eye for years.

And I'm not sure if the years before 2012 were really great. It doesn't look like they were in that alleged e-mail list leak.

-------

Some stories Axl told during NITL:

When we recorded that song [Don't Cry] originally, we were driving the engineer nuts in Hollywood, and Steven wanted more high hat. And finally the guy cracked and he pulled a gun on us. Unlike Ryan Lochte and his gun, our gun was real. [Onstage in Sao Paolo, Brazil, November 11, 2016]

I heard that in the Cheap Trick song that says "they are out to get you". Yet, when this was in our song, I was the paranoid fucker. But you know, I didn't write it; that was the only line I didn't write in that song, "out ta get me". That was Izzy's [Onstage in Lisbon, Portugal, June 2, 2017]

The person I wrote that song [This I Love] for, said "thank you for the gift of your soul". Well, it took a while but I got that fucker back. [Onstage in Copenhagen, Denmark, June 27, 2017]

I wanna introduce the band, but before I do that I want to share a little piece of trivia on the song Coma. When we recorded that song, when we recorded Use Your Illusions, everybody was involved in different parts of writing it but only one person came down, once, to help with the vocals. And that was the help with one word. Slash came down to make sure I got the word "God dammit!" right. Just sharing that with you. It was very, very, very important to him that I got the right pronounciation and the right inflection on the word "God dammit". Just saying. [Live on stage, Buffalo, USA, August 16 2017]

I remember when we wrote that Used To Love Her song. It really, really wasn't about misogyny or anything. It was just that... there was another band in town, and they had written a song; and Izzy and I were sitting around, and it was all about how a woman kicked the guy's ass. And we were like "wow, what a bunch of pussies!" [Onstage in Hartford CT, October 23, 2017].

http://www.a-4-d.com/f8-gn-r-song-archive

Edited August 14, 2018 by Blackstar

[Gibson87]

10 hours ago, History2010 said:

It was an amazing memory. I still slightly prefer the KC show I went to in 2016, but I will always cherish both shows. I still keep my ticket on my desk.

Nice! I framed all of my tickets and my floor wristband from STL. The only one missing is Chicago 1 from 2016. Can't remember where I put it. 

[ZoSoRose]

On August 12, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Amir said:

This is all so sad. If there is a single human being on this earth who would pay $10,000 for that I pity them. Even if I were a billionaire I wouldn't waste my time or money on this.

I'd pay like $10 tops and the only reason would be to leak it to people that want it. I just don't get the mass appeal

[80309561]

On 8/9/2018 at 1:29 PM, NeonKinight said:

I was thinkin' about usin' it as a coin in further tradings/negotiations. 
But thanks to some lameass leaker (and many thanks to GNRSudamerica) Now we lost another good coin.

Good for you, buddy. Good for you.

 

Yes.

But I guess everything is pretty blown up now. 

for 1 Grand you could have bough the whole 40 minutes at one time and now its 10 Grand talk about inflation