Covid-19 Thread

[PatrickS77]

37 minutes ago, UcudBmine said:

I've heard several seniors say this, even on the news. They don't take this virus too serious and use it as a joke, you call it stupid but I respect the hell out of that attitude. We're a spoiled and lazy generation. Scared of everything.

They keep their distance, and that's about it. 

Yeah. Because so many 80 year olds actually remember the war times.

[Dazey]

Jimmy Greaves in hospital. So much for alcohol killing the virus eh? 

[lame ass security]

43 minutes ago, Dazey said:

Jimmy Greaves in hospital. So much for alcohol killing the virus eh? 

I bet he was drinking buddies with George Best.

[marlingrl03]

5 hours ago, cineater said:

I went out today to the drug store.  I wore my mask but nobody else did, not even the cashiers.

We have an advisory in our state for all people to wear masks in places where its hard to stay 6 ft apart like in a grocery store....and when I went today I would say 50% of the people including some of the grocery store workers were wearing them. 👍

6 hours ago, downzy said:

Depends where you live. If you live in New Zealand, Australia, several European countries (Germany, Norway, Finland), parts of Canada (notably British Columbia), parts of the US (California, Washington), then you live in a part of the world that is showing signs of improvement.

If you live in Quebec, Ontario, and many places in the US, then no. 

Yeah I live in a state where we are 2 to 3 weeks behind the other states so we won't even hit our peak till the end of April. Maybe.

[lame ass security]

29 minutes ago, marlingrl03 said:

We have an advisory in our state for all people to wear masks in places where its hard to stay 6 ft apart like in a grocery store....and when I went today I would say 50% of the people including some of the grocery store workers were wearing them. 👍

Yeah I live in a state where we are 2 to 3 weeks behind the other states so we won't even hit our peak till the end of April. Maybe.

I checked out some tips that people should use when using a mask.  You should kind of treat it like you're a doctor preparing for surgery.😄 I just don't think most people will really do it properly.

[DieselDaisy]

8 hours ago, UcudBmine said:

I think that those who lived in Europe in the 1940's will disagree. That's why these folks are still chilling outside in groups.

They survived the Nazis.

During the Blitz, yes the Luftwaffe might drop a bomb on your head, but you at least had the pubs, cinemas, theatres and could go outside. There were even a few sports, forces exhibition type stuff. 

[DieselDaisy]

Confirmed from personal experience and seen on twitter that many the Chinese takeaways are closing. I feel sorry for these poor bastards as most of the Chinese in the United Kingdom are actually Cantonese speaking ''Hong Kongese'' and hate China, i.e., have more reason to hate the PRC, above anyone else in this country. Skewed prejudice not using the Chinese takeaways. 

[SoulMonster]

4 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Confirmed from personal experience and seen on twitter that many the Chinese takeaways are closing. I feel sorry for these poor bastards as most of the Chinese in the United Kingdom are actually Cantonese speaking ''Hong Kongese'' and hate China, i.e., have more reason to hate the PRC, above anyone else in this country. Skewed prejudice not using the Chinese takeaways. 

Would you not have felt sorry for them if they were "proper" Chinese?

[DieselDaisy]

1 minute ago, SoulMonster said:

Would you not have felt sorry for them if they were "proper" Chinese?

Define ''proper'' Chinese. China is multi-national.

[SoulMonster]

Some insights on how covid-19 came to my city:

11 guys were on a skiing trip to Val Gardena in Italy in late February. After skiing they went to afterski for drinks. One of the two afterski places they visited is called 'Corona Krone'. Heh. Ten out of the 11 guys ended up getting infected and brought the disease back home. The last of the 11 didn't go to afterski.

3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Define ''proper'' Chinese. China is multi-national.

You said "I feel sorry for these poor bastards as most of the Chinese in the United Kingdom are actually Cantonese speaking ''Hong Kongese'' and hate China". Would you not feel sorry for them if they didn't?

[DieselDaisy]

2 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Some insights on how covid-19 came to my city:

11 guys were on a skiing trip to Val Gardena in Italy in late February. After skiing they went to afterski for drinks. One of the two afterski places they visited is called 'Corona Krone'. Heh. Ten out of the 11 guys ended up getting infected and brought the disease back home. The last of the 11 didn't go to afterski.

You said "I feel sorry for these poor bastards as most of the Chinese in the United Kingdom are actually Cantonese speaking ''Hong Kongese'' and hate China". Would you not feel sorry for them if they didn't?

I, not for the first time, do not understand your point. 

[SoulMonster]

1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

I, not for the first time, do not understand your point. 

You said you feel sorry for them AS most of the Chinese in the UK are Cantonese. Would you not feel sorry for them if they weren't Cantonese? Why is your sadness over their fate contingent upon them being Cantonese? 

[action]

the spanish flu in 1918 killed more people than all of WWI.

food for thought

[DieselDaisy]

5 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

You said you feel sorry for them AS most of the Chinese in the UK are Cantonese. Would you not feel sorry for them if they weren't Cantonese? Why is your sadness over their fate contingent upon them being Cantonese? 

Allow me to explain for your addled mind. (British) people, by repudiating the usually highly popular Chinese takeaway, are making a causal relationship between China/Corona and anyone of Chinese origin. Considering most Chinese in Britain are of Hong Kong origin, which was a British colony, and many in fact migrated here to escape the PRC at handover in 1997, this is clearly an erroneous prejudice - I also note the recent political discord between Hong Kong and China.

Edited April 8, 2020 by DieselDaisy

[action]

22 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Confirmed from personal experience and seen on twitter that many the Chinese takeaways are closing. I feel sorry for these poor bastards as most of the Chinese in the United Kingdom are actually Cantonese speaking ''Hong Kongese'' and hate China, i.e., have more reason to hate the PRC, above anyone else in this country. Skewed prejudice not using the Chinese takeaways. 

I can see your point.

imagine being the target of racism, while you're not even in the group that's targeted in the first place.

It's a bit like being prosecuted by the nazis for "looking" like a jew.

this virus should have targeted racists in stead of innocent elder people 

[SoulMonster]

8 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Allow me to explain for your addled mind. (British) people, by repudiating the usually highly popular Chinese takeaway, are making a causal relationship between China/Corona and anyone of Chinese origin. Considering most Chinese in Britain are of Hong Kong origin, which was a British colony, and many in fact migrated here to escape the PRC at handover in 1997, this is clearly an erroneous prejudice - I also note the recent political discord between Hong Kong and China.

This is not at all related to my question and I am of course aware of why people are avoiding Chinese takeaways .

Again, you said you were sorry for them because they were Cantonese ("I feel sorry for these poor bastards as most of the Chinese in the United Kingdom are actually Cantonese speaking ''Hong Kongese'' and hate China"). Would you not be sorry for them if they weren't Cantonese? Would you have thought it was fair that people boycotted their businesses out of irrational fear of covid-19 if the restaurant owners originally came from, say, Beijing, spoke Mandarin, and loved PRC? 

In my opinion, it is unfortunate that anyone is losing their jobs due to people mistakenly avoiding them due to a fear of covid-19, I don't reserve my compassion to only some of them.

4 minutes ago, action said:

this virus should have targeted racists in stead of innocent elder people 

Well, it did recently put BoJo in the hospital.

 

[DieselDaisy]

1 minute ago, action said:

magine being the target of racism, while you're not even in the group that's targeted in the first place.

That is exactly the point. And I'd go further and say if there is one group who would dislike the PRC it would be Cantonese Hong Kongese residing in Britain (and elsewhere, e.g., San Francisco). There was actually a big issue over closing the border with the mainland pertaining to this virus, so this is topical stuff. 

1 minute ago, SoulMonster said:

This is not at all related to my question and I am of course aware of why people are avoiding Chinese takeaways .

Again, you said you were sorry for them because they were Cantonese ("I feel sorry for these poor bastards as most of the Chinese in the United Kingdom are actually Cantonese speaking ''Hong Kongese'' and hate China"). Would you not be sorry for them if they weren't Cantonese? Would you have thought it was fair that people boycotted their businesses out of irrational fear of covid-19 if the restaurant owners originally came from, say, Beijing, spoke Mandarin, and loved PRC? 

In my opinion, it is unfortunate that anyone is losing their jobs due to people mistakenly avoiding them due to a fear of covid-19, I don't reserve my compassion to only some of them.

Well, it did recently put BoJo in the hospital.

 

I think it is another one of your semantic games. 

[SoulMonster]

1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

I think it is another one of your semantic games. 

Yeah, I am sure you do 

[DieselDaisy]

Just now, SoulMonster said:

Yeah, I am sure you do 

You need to stop looking at sentences literally, with Teutonic precision. The English language is a wonderful thing allowing all manner of humour, exaggeration, flippancy and poetic delights. It should not be dissected so. 

[action]

6 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

This is not at all related to my question and I am of course aware of why people are avoiding Chinese takeaways .

Again, you said you were sorry for them because they were Cantonese ("I feel sorry for these poor bastards as most of the Chinese in the United Kingdom are actually Cantonese speaking ''Hong Kongese'' and hate China"). Would you not be sorry for them if they weren't Cantonese? Would you have thought it was fair that people boycotted their businesses out of irrational fear of covid-19 if the restaurant owners originally came from, say, Beijing, spoke Mandarin, and loved PRC? 

In my opinion, it is unfortunate that anyone is losing their jobs due to people mistakenly avoiding them due to a fear of covid-19, I don't reserve my compassion to only some of them.

 

 

do you really believe that some western people like cantonese people but are racist against other chinese ethnic groups?

I don't think anyone knows what cantonese even means, outside of some historical / geographical specialists

you're really clutching at straws sometimes.  

why don't you go back at telling us mouth masks don't help?

Edited April 8, 2020 by action

[DieselDaisy]

Just now, action said:

I don't think anyone knows what cantonese even means, outside of some historical / geographical specialists

I can safety say that most British people are ignorant of the complexity of different Chinese groupings, and the uniqueness of Hong Kong. 

[Lio]

I wonder if pizzerias are likewise targeted. I don't think I've heard of that here, while it's obvious that the virus is such a disaster here because of people going skiing in Italy at the worst possible moment.

People staying away from Chinese businesses (whereas many of those people have been living here for decades) is just as dumb as South Americans and Africans threatening white people who've lived and worked In South America/Africa for months or years, as if they'd suddenly out of nowhere develop a virus infection just because they're Chinese/white.

 

[SoulMonster]

4 minutes ago, action said:

do you really believe that some western people like cantonese people but are racist against other chinese ethnic groups?

What? Could you try typing that out again? Or maybe go one step further back and try re-thinking it?

5 minutes ago, action said:

I don't think anyone knows what cantonese even means, outside of some historical / geographical specialists

Okay.

5 minutes ago, action said:

you're really clutching at straws sometimes.  

Okay?

6 minutes ago, action said:

why don't you go back at telling us mouth masks don't help?

I have neve said mouth masks don't help. I have been very clear that mouth masks are important to health care specialists handling infected people, and to people who are infected. But that doesn't mean that it makes sense for everybody to wear them, for a multitude of reasons that I have given quite a few times now, including scarcity of masks, improper handling, false security, and more face touching as a consequence. Because of this most official guidelines have been to not recommend that regular people wear them, only those infected and those treating the infected. This makes a lot of sense to me. As far as I know, no new evidence have emerged that changes this.

[SoulMonster]

11 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

You need to stop looking at sentences literally, with Teutonic precision. The English language is a wonderful thing allowing all manner of humour, exaggeration, flippancy and poetic delights. It should not be dissected so. 

When you say that you feel sorry for them because they are Cantonese, implying that you wouldn't feel sorry for them if they were non-Cantonese Chinese, then I will point that out. This is not about me not understanding flippancy and humour, this is about me pointing out how terrible you are.

[DieselDaisy]

Just now, SoulMonster said:

I have neve said mouth masks don't help. I have been very clear that mouth masks are important to health care specialists handling infected people, and to people who are infected. But that doesn't mean that it makes sense for everybody to wear them, for a multitude of reasons that I have given quite a few times now, including scarcity of masks, improper handling, false security, and more face touching as a consequence. Because of this most official guidelines have been to not recommend that regular people wear them, only those infected and those treating the infected. This makes a lot of sense to me. As far as I know, no new evidence have emerged that changes this.

Blatant volte-face by you when The 'Oo suddenly started getting interested in (public) usage of face masks, despite arguing the toss with action for about five hundred pages haha (I think they are ridiculous objects, as worn by the public, incidentally, so probably agreed with your earlier self).