saint_seiya Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Lies They Tell said: Perhaps you're right! Another thing that confuses me is why the GNR camp said that the most used intro in 2006 was The General. Why didn't they mention Monsters or Soulmonster or Leave Me Alone or what ever it was called back then. I'd say that the bigger part of the intro was actually Monsters. Not The General. Well, I don't expect anyone here to have the answers. It's just confusing. The reason why we thought that the cellphone clip was The General was because the GNR camp confirmed that the orchestral intro was The General. Now we know that only the first part of the intro was The General. Things change, GNR had so many members back then im sure everyone threw their ideas here and there so it all got mixed up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpdonald Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 dark and twisted , i want a new record with these oh my god, absurd, state of grace there is slash on general , the wah licks are from him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DingBat Posted October 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, Trumpdonald said: dark and twisted , i want a new record with these oh my god, absurd, state of grace That's THE SOUND isn't it? More of this! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said: Why do people think it's Soul Monster and not Monstrocity? Is Soul Monster not the song that Axl described as 'our most Black Sabbath moment'? That's a lot closer to Me & My Elvis than Monsters... Axl seemed to be referring to his vocals and I think the melody in the high-pitched sream-y part fits the description. Then there's the Marco Beltrami orchestration. And, I don't know, in my mind the lyrics to Monsters are more fitting to Soul Monster than to Monstrocity. Edited October 27, 2023 by Blackstar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingBat Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Lies They Tell said: Perhaps you're right! Another thing that confuses me is why the GNR camp said that the most used intro in 2006 was The General. Why didn't they mention Monsters or Soulmonster or Leave Me Alone or what ever it was called back then. I'd say that the bigger part of the intro was actually Monsters. Not The General. Well, I don't expect anyone here to have the answers. It's just confusing. The reason why we thought that the cellphone clip was The General was because the GNR camp confirmed that the orchestral intro was The General. Now we know that only the first part of the intro was The General. That instrumental is all over The General too, just different parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underhardy Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 I LOVED Axls lyrics on State of Grace. More general lyrics about human beings and the corruption and emotions we see and feel. The General misses the mark with me… the daddy lyrics just miss the mark for me. What, did Axl re hash some lyrics from ‘Daddy, Can The Devil Do Mommy and Me?’ And Monsters is just the same old shit as hard school. We were a pair, we broke up, it was all your fault.. just fucking lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingBat Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, Underhardy said: This just further confirms that Axl should’ve in fact written another appetite. These songs and all of the shitty tacky vocal effects are not good. This is why Axl was told he has 2 to 3 good songs.. can hardly make out half of the vocals. I finally understand why these songs were shelved for decades. I'd take stuff like this over appetite part 2 any day. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandOla Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 16 minutes ago, tat2d1 said: When did these songs leak? Are they any good? Monsters is really good after few listens, great and mean vocals from Axl. In my opinion best since Spaghetti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitchisback Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Is it weird that I don't really care that much for either song on it's own but absolutely love them together lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingBat Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Underhardy said: I LOVED Axls lyrics on State of Grace. More general lyrics about human beings and the corruption and emotions we see and feel. The General misses the mark with me… the daddy lyrics just miss the mark for me. What, did Axl re hash some lyrics from ‘Daddy, Can The Devil Do Mommy and Me?’ And Monsters is just the same old shit as hard school. We were a pair, we broke up, it was all your fault.. just fucking lame. It's about him/or someone being abused by his "daddy", it's nothing to with "we were a pair, we broke up, it was all your fault". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underhardy Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 minute ago, DingBat said: It's about him/or someone being abused by his "daddy", it's nothing to with "we were a pair, we broke up, it was all your fault". I was talking about Monsters. I know the subject matter, songs suck bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingBat Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bitchisback said: Is it weird that I don't really care that much for either song on it's own but absolutely love them together lol Not really, they're clearly connected and/or the same song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingBat Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, Underhardy said: I was talking about Monsters. I know the subject matter, songs suck bud It's clearly the same song, or a companion song, it has the same orchestra and is legally registered as one song. One might assume it's about the same subject matter, perhaps from a different perspective? Sorry you don't like it! I was disappointed with Hard Skool and to a lesser extent Perhaps, but this is my cup of tea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitchisback Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, DingBat said: Not really, they're clearly connected and/or the same song. Yeah I can't imagine not listening to them together at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liers Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 I like both songs a lot. I hope they’re two separate songs. Monsters could actually be a hit. The general is more of a fan track 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomase Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, DingBat said: Not really, they're clearly connected and/or the same song. i think monster is first then The General but trying figure out are these demos or studio songs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lies They Tell Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bitchisback said: Is it weird that I don't really care that much for either song on it's own but absolutely love them together lol Well I feel the same way. If that's weird then I'm weird too. The General sounds a lot like how I always imagined the beginning of The General to sound like. And Monsters sounds like I imagined the ending of The General to sound like. Together they sound like everything that I wanted from The General. As separate songs they're not as great. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post D.. Posted October 27, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2023 I will update my original post with a full review later, but again, I LOVE those two tracks. I didn't expect two tracks, I didn't expect The General to be this great, and both songs match my vibes perfectly. It's exactly what I needed. It's definitely some of the best Guns material from CD. Axl is a fucking genius. Those two songs are deeper and more personal than most Gn'R songs. I'm sure Axl was hesitating releasing either, it's too personal, hence the vinyl's release push. Man if he knew how talented he was. I haven't followed him all along for nothing. And really huge kudos to Slash on those tracks. I have criticized him a lot since 2016 regarding his takes on CD material, but his guitar work is absolutely gorgeous here. I really hope they release both songs asap, I will buy them right away on several formats. Definitely deserve the money. 9 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingBat Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, thomase said: i think monster is first then The General but trying figure out are these demos or studio songs The registered title is "The General and Monsters," so I assume that's the order... but maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 It’s scary how close Evader got… 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonizedmind Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 We asked for an Epic....we hoped Slashs quote would directly translate.... They've delivered an EPIC. End of story. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhMyGod1986 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Fucking great. I love these songs! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingBat Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 minute ago, D.. said: I will update my original post with a full review later, but again, I LOVE those two tracks. I didn't expect two tracks, I didn't expect The General to be this great, and both songs match my vibes perfectly. It's exactly what I needed. It's definitely some of the best Guns material from CD. Axl is a fucking genius. Those two songs are deeper and more personal than most Gn'R songs. I'm sure Axl was hesitating releasing either, it's too personal, hence the vinyl's release push. Man if he knew how talented he was. I haven't followed him all along for nothing. And really huge kudos to Slash on those tracks. I have criticized him a lot since 2016 regarding his takes on CD material, but his guitar work is absolutely gorgeous here. I really hope they release both songs asap, I will buy them right away on several formats. Definitely deserve the money. Good post, I think this is what a lot of us expected and hoped for from the unreleased CD material. I hope we get State of Grace now in a similar vein. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uzi your illusion Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 I think Monsters is amazing from the first listen. I'm getting there on General but my issue with it is how hard it is to make out the vocals. So if it's an unmastered/demo version it would be unfair to judge. Really enjoy what I can make out though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireSoul Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Meh... Didn't like either on first listen and don't really feel like trying again... Hopefully they'll grow on me/will be better when officially released.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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