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Georgy Zhukov

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Lucas has been waffling for decades on whether there were 12, 9, or 6 movies.

From Once Upon a Galaxy: A Journal of the Making of The Empire Strikes Back...George Lucas interview Monday, May 29 1979:

Alan Arnold: Tell me more about the overall concept of the Star Wars saga.

George Lucas: There are essentially nine films in a series of three trilogies. The first trilogy is about the young Ben Kenobi and the early life of Luke's father when Luke was a little boy. This trilogy takes place some twenty years before the second trilogy which includes Star Wars and Empire. About a year or two passes between each story of the trilogy and about twenty years pass between the trilogies. The entire saga spans about fifty-five years...After the success of Star Wars I added another trilogy but stopped there, primarily because reality took over. After all, it takes three years to prepare and make a Star Wars picture. How many years are left? So I'm still left with three trilogies of nine films. At two hours each, that's about eighteen hours of film!

AA: What will the next chapter be?

GL: The next chapter is called "Revenge of the Jedi." It's the end of this particular trilogy, the conclusion of the conflict begun in Star Wars between Luke and Darth Vader. It resolves that situation once and for all. I won't say who survives and who doesn't, but if we are ever able to link together all three you'd find the story progresses in a very logical fashion.

BTW, if you haven't read Once Upon a Galaxy: A Journal of the Making of The Empire Strikes Back, grab it immediately. It will become your favorite "making of" book ever, because it's not sanitized by Lucasfilm/Disney. It has all the raw reporting from the set a book like this should have, including Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher fighting, and Billy Dee Williams and Carrie Fisher fighting!

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Cushing was extremely pleased with the final film, and he claimed his only disappointment was that Tarkin was killed and could not appear in the subsequent sequels. The film gave Cushing the highest amount of visibility of his entire career, and helped inspire younger audiences to watch his older films.

Gee, those British actors in the movies sure hate that sci-fi garbage huh?

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Cushing was extremely pleased with the final film, and he claimed his only disappointment was that Tarkin was killed and could not appear in the subsequent sequels. The film gave Cushing the highest amount of visibility of his entire career, and helped inspire younger audiences to watch his older films.

Gee, those British actors in the movies sure hate that sci-fi garbage huh?

Cushing loves those kind of films. Unlike Guiness and Christopher Lee who wanted to be serious actors, Cushing love doing cheesy movies. In the Hammer Frankenstein and Dracula films he acts like he is trying to win an Oscar. His role of Tarkin was no exception. It doesn't surprise me he wanted to comeback, considering how bad Grand Moff Tarkin was. But he had to step aside for Darth Vader to take on the role as the big villain in Empire.

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Well originally, he wanted to do his own adaptation of Flash Gordon but he wasn't able to purchase the rights so he decided to create his own space adventure. He also took inspiration from other films like The Hidden Fortress, Seven Samurai, pretty much any of the Japanese Samurai films. The Jedi are basically space Samurai. One thing that sums up how the prequels failed is that Lucas got too wrapped up into his story. He kept working on it instead of telling a story. Instead of some interesting tale on Darth Vader what we got was some boring history class.

Nah...Stars Wars is Dune.

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Well originally, he wanted to do his own adaptation of Flash Gordon but he wasn't able to purchase the rights so he decided to create his own space adventure. He also took inspiration from other films like The Hidden Fortress, Seven Samurai, pretty much any of the Japanese Samurai films. The Jedi are basically space Samurai. One thing that sums up how the prequels failed is that Lucas got too wrapped up into his story. He kept working on it instead of telling a story. Instead of some interesting tale on Darth Vader what we got was some boring history class.

Nah...Stars Wars is Dune.

The prequels especially share similar plot points to Dune

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Just watched it. They played it pathetically safe. The entire movie is just ANH rehashed. The music was underwhelming. Not a single memorable piece. If John Williams has gone senile they should have got someone else.

Lucas had every right to criticize this horribly average movie.

The good things were the characters. Finn, Poe, Han, Ren and Rey do a fine job carrying the weak plot with their charisma. Leia was depressing.

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Disney makes a beat-for-beat piss poor remake of Star Wars, written and directed by George Lucas. George criticises Disney and their film, and now he is the 'bad guy'! Where is the logic in that?

Disney made a fine film, regardless of it following similar story points of A New Hope.

George isn't criticizing the film on any real basis, just as a comparison to what he would have done vs. what Disney did. Of course he's in a good position to criticize, because he can say 'oh I would do this or that differently, you white slavers stole my baby" but the fact of the matter is that George's criticism comes off not only as rude and childish, especially considering he willingly sold the series for a shit-zillion dollars after driving its critical acclaim into the dirt with the prequels, and then directs most of his criticism at Disney in a way that reads as very personal and bitter, and in no way is an objective critique of the film.

Not to say the film isn't flawed, and there isn't criticism to be had, however George's complaints are baffling in how it makes it seem like he has no idea what made people like Star Wars to begin with.

JJmade a more effective and better film than any of Lucas's prequels. The fact that it parallels A New Hope to a point that it reads as a soft reboot in no way shape or form makes it a 'bad' film. It's just not a particularly original one.

And we should all know by now that Star Wars has never really been 'original', anyways. It used to be fun, before the prequels, and now it's fun again.

The movies are the weakest part of the SW lore anyways. They're giant, safe, expensive blockbuster films that accomplish two things: give fans a jumping off point to go deeper into the universe, and be fun and exciting films that work for wide audiences. There are books and games that have much better stories than the films IMO.

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The prequels did only one thing right: they added new possibilities and new lore(planets, species, monsters, in universe history), and this movie did not do that as much, because it isn't as original.

But original doesn't always = better. This is a fine example of a soft reboot that does a good job as a Star Wars film.

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Cushing was extremely pleased with the final film, and he claimed his only disappointment was that Tarkin was killed and could not appear in the subsequent sequels. The film gave Cushing the highest amount of visibility of his entire career, and helped inspire younger audiences to watch his older films.

Gee, those British actors in the movies sure hate that sci-fi garbage huh?

Cushing loves those kind of films. Unlike Guiness and Christopher Lee who wanted to be serious actors, Cushing love doing cheesy movies. In the Hammer Frankenstein and Dracula films he acts like he is trying to win an Oscar. His role of Tarkin was no exception. It doesn't surprise me he wanted to comeback, considering how bad Grand Moff Tarkin was. But he had to step aside for Darth Vader to take on the role as the big villain in Empire.

Christopher Lee apparently enjoyed being in STarwars too tho, no?

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Cushing was extremely pleased with the final film, and he claimed his only disappointment was that Tarkin was killed and could not appear in the subsequent sequels. The film gave Cushing the highest amount of visibility of his entire career, and helped inspire younger audiences to watch his older films.

Gee, those British actors in the movies sure hate that sci-fi garbage huh?

Cushing loves those kind of films. Unlike Guiness and Christopher Lee who wanted to be serious actors, Cushing love doing cheesy movies. In the Hammer Frankenstein and Dracula films he acts like he is trying to win an Oscar. His role of Tarkin was no exception. It doesn't surprise me he wanted to comeback, considering how bad Grand Moff Tarkin was. But he had to step aside for Darth Vader to take on the role as the big villain in Empire.

Christopher Lee apparently enjoyed being in STarwars too tho, no?

I think he did, in his old age he took more joy in fantasy films. But when he was younger he didn't like being typcast as Dracula who he played 7 or 8 times. Lee became the new Cushing, giving it all he got even though the film was subpar.

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It is now the highest grossing US domestic film of all time and it will be the first film to cross $800 million through the weekend.


http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4142&p=.htm


Worldwide it still has to be Jurassic World, Titanic and Avatar. Still haven't got the China numbers but I think it will help bring it to $2 billion.

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This is good for al the people who bitch and wine about this movie and for those who have completely lost perspective and were expecting something like Shawshank Redemption or Schindler's List type of classic.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/matty-granger/at-long-lastmy-star-wars-episode-vii-review-the-force-awakens-the-rise-of-idiot-/10153163095086277

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A lot of the criticism is premature. We can make a full critique of this film after seeing the next two films.


But I did wonder if that Huff Post journalist was watching the same movie. Probably too busy sipping on Starbucks and writing notes down on their iPad.


Like the part about a Stormtrooper being built like Daniel Craig would have thought to be enough to keep Rey from escaping. Anyone would thought that would be enough. Especially if you've seen Spectre.

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