Top-Hatted One Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 On 9/13/2017 at 5:50 AM, F*ck Fear said: what about tracy and roberta? lol lol now if we find they were asked to be a part of this "reunion" and had to turn them down we will know the extent of the offer once and for all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, soon said: Before the final Skin and Bones show which ended the touring for UYI, Gilby reports that Axl came up to him and said "enjoy your last show." Which Gilby took to be a joke at the time but in hindsight understands it wasnt a joke. For NITL, Gilby knows he would've added legitimacy to the name GNR that Axl had kinda chipped away at. He knows we'd all love it and it would feel more like a true Guns reunion. He said he'd still be up for a real reunion. I wonder if his thinking around guesting with a hybrid Nu Guns thing was "Nah, Axl. I enjoyed my last show. Remember?" That is awful if true. What a thing to say to somebody? Edited September 14, 2017 by DieselDaisy double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
life_247 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Matt always stated he wouldn't do it without Steven, so maybe after the whole Steven thing dragged on and didn't really work out they didn't try anything with Sorum. He's not got a great relationship with Axl and has constantly trashed him in the press over the last few years. The other guys either praised him or even Slash didn't rake him over the coals too much if you think about it. (would give a balanced pros and cons type response) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: That is awful if true. What a thing to say to somebody? Yeah, pretty cruel and hyper diva. And then it was in fact Axls last show for almost a decade until he piggy-backed on Gilby's show. Glibly Clarke: "My official end was actually at the last show of the last tour. Axl was jokingly saying "Bye" to everybody, but he was really saying "Bye" to everybody. He even came up to me and said, "Hey, enjoy your last show." At that point I thought he was being funny, but he wasn't being funny. He knows what he's doing. He's a smart guy. So I knew it was the end at the last show." http://www.songfacts.com/blog/interviews/gilby_clarke/ Short summary version: http://ultimateclassicrock.com/gilby-clarke-final-guns-n-roses-gig/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 guys the overall theme is that TB are working as Axl's vehicle but I bet are a lot more cheap than him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Gunner Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 7 hours ago, soon said: For NITL, Gilby knows he would've added legitimacy to the name GNR ummmm no. not really. dont get me wrong. id rather see gilby up there for nostalgic reasons but he hasnt contributed anything more than richard has to gnr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 7 hours ago, soon said: For NITL, Gilby knows he would've added legitimacy to the name GNR that Axl had kinda chipped away at. I mean only for the hardcore GNR fans who know of Gilby as the replacement of their main rhythm guitarist during the Illusion tours, by all means for the general public I would say "the big 3" has brought that legitimacy back On 9/13/2017 at 1:35 AM, Magnus Cavalerra said: Lol so the big 3 actually isn't as heartless as what people said. Usually the most vocal and opinionated on that matter are the ones who know the least and draw the most assumptions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 51 minutes ago, Hollywood Gunner said: ummmm no. not really. dont get me wrong. id rather see gilby up there for nostalgic reasons but he hasnt contributed anything more than richard has to gnr 44 minutes ago, WhazUp said: I mean only for the hardcore GNR fans who know of Gilby as the replacement of their main rhythm guitarist during the Illusion tours, by all means for the general public I would say "the big 3" has brought that legitimacy back Usually the most vocal and opinionated on that matter are the ones who know the least and draw the most assumptions I think having more classic era players would be a thing for most concert goers. We really shouldnt sell the hardcore fanbase short. Theres a lot of us and we're loud! But mainly, the press - rock and average newspapers - influence the common casual fan and if they had sorum, glibly, adler and izzy guesting the press would be far more enthusiastic and encourage more casuals to go imo. Also, I was trying to think as Gilby. He said its no reunion wth out him - I think he beleieves he holds some degree of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annabanana Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 1 hour ago, WhazUp said: I mean only for the hardcore GNR fans who know of Gilby as the replacement of their main rhythm guitarist during the Illusion tours, by all means for the general public I would say "the big 3" has brought that legitimacy back Slash brought the legitimacy back. Outside of the hardcore fan base, duff doesn't really matter. It could still be Tommy playing bass as long as slash is there it's all good for the casual fans because slash and axl were the face of the band, everyone else doesn't really matter or are replaceable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 1 hour ago, soon said: I think having more classic era players would be a thing for most concert goers. We really shouldnt sell the hardcore fanbase short. Theres a lot of us and we're loud! But mainly, the press - rock and average newspapers - influence the common casual fan and if they had sorum, glibly, adler and izzy guesting the press would be far more enthusiastic and encourage more casuals to go imo. Although to be fair for GNR to be filling huge ass stadiums the past year and a half I just have that question of, how much better can you get? I mean I can't imagine enough of an impact Gilby would have as GNR's rhythm guitarist to increase sales to be even better than what they already are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top-Hatted One Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, annabanana said: Slash brought the legitimacy back. Outside of the hardcore fan base, duff doesn't really matter. It could still be Tommy playing bass as long as slash is there it's all good for the casual fans because slash and axl were the face of the band, everyone else doesn't really matter or are replaceable I see what you did there. Nailed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 1 hour ago, WhazUp said: Although to be fair for GNR to be filling huge ass stadiums the past year and a half I just have that question of, how much better can you get? I mean I can't imagine enough of an impact Gilby would have as GNR's rhythm guitarist to increase sales to be even better than what they already are Thats totally a fair statement. I do think it is both true that the tour sold well. Really well, but not sold out every night. And its also true that the purpose of inviting ex players to guest is to add value to the shows. So speaking from Gilby's perspective I still think he didnt want to contribute and maybe thats in part due to Axls "enjoy your last show" comment and excluding him from SFTD, etc. Because he certainly isn't too busy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, WhazUp said: Although to be fair for GNR to be filling huge ass stadiums the past year and a half I just have that question of, how much better can you get? I mean I can't imagine enough of an impact Gilby would have as GNR's rhythm guitarist to increase sales to be even better than what they already are There is/was a ton of pent up demand to see Axl and Slash together. It was always going to do fantastic sales at least for the first year or two in big markets. But how many repeat fans are showing up to see multiple concerts? Are people looking at these shows as one-off "events" or are they actually invested in seeing the band more than once? How well are the tickets going to sell for the arena tour or potential touring next year? These are the key questions. I would wager (and obviously this is simply conjecture) that their original idea to get all the principals involved was the right idea to maintain interest in the band beyond the first 1-2 years. Doing it "right" would have given them more longevity. Hardcore fans are the ones buying multiple tickets. You have to take care of your true fans, even if you're a mega brand. That's just good business. 45 minutes ago, soon said: Thats totally a fair statement. I do think it is both true that the tour sold well. Really well, but not sold out every night. And its also true that the purpose of inviting ex players to guest is to add value to the shows. So speaking from Gilby's perspective I still think he didnt want to contribute and maybe thats in part due to Axls "enjoy your last show" comment and excluding him from SFTD, etc. Because he certainly isn't too busy. I think it's a money issue only because Gilby has maintained a good relationship with Slash and been cordial towards Axl. He's always said he would be up for a reunion if it was done right. It's always the same story in the end though, money talks. Edited September 15, 2017 by RONIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modano09 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 1 hour ago, RONIN said: There is/was a ton of pent up demand to see Axl and Slash together. It was always going to do fantastic sales at least for the first year or two in big markets. But how many repeat fans are showing up to see multiple concerts? Are people looking at these shows as one-off "events" or are they actually invested in seeing the band more than once? How well are the tickets going to sell for the arena tour or potential touring next year? These are the key questions. I would wager (and obviously this is simply conjecture) that their original idea to get all the principals involved was the right idea to maintain interest in the band beyond the first 1-2 years. Doing it "right" would have given them more longevity. Hardcore fans are the ones buying multiple tickets. You have to take care of your true fans, even if you're a mega brand. That's just good business. I think it's a money issue only because Gilby has maintained a good relationship with Slash and been cordial towards Axl. He's always said he would be up for a reunion if it was done right. It's always the same story in the end though, money talks. Gilby played a show at a local bar a couple of years ago and I got to chat with him a little afterwards. He said he was texting with Slash right before he went on stage and doesn't talk to Axl much but thinks he's awesome, so that seems about right. Close with Slash, cordial with Axl. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Spade Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 That's too bad. Gilby was a great fake Izzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 On 13/09/2017 at 7:01 AM, Lio said: I read somewhere Matt told someone he was asked to guest, but turned it down. I don't know if it's true, but it does seem plausible now we know Gilby has been asked. Matt would be a more obvious guest than Gilby anyway. Either way it does seem like they wanted to include everyone in some capacity. Matt seems like the type of guy that would be like "I played with Slash and Duff for years, and I don't get the main drum position? So it's all or nothing". Would've been cool to hear him play estranged, November rain etc again but it's not really that important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juventino Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Damn, it would have been nice to see Gilby playing with the band again. Hopefully it can happen in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXL_N_DIZZY Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I'm a big Gilby fan. That said don't think he adds much "sizzle" in isolation. He needs (IMHO) Matt with him to kick the UYI Tour nostalgia in high gear for the crowd, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) Richard and Frank are still in the band simply because they never left. Tommy and Chris would be there too. That's why Matt and Gilby aren't included in the current tour. Edited September 17, 2017 by Sosso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerInThisTown Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 4 pages and no one even wanted to guess which song they would do with Gilby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appetite4illusions Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I still think it's a high probability that in the future, after ticket sales have started to dwindle, we'll see more classic era members participating in the shows. It would be so much easier to get Adler, Matt or Gilby to go on tour as a promotional gimmick than to release new material that would re-invigorate the brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said: 4 pages and no one even wanted to guess which song they would do with Gilby Since I Don't Have You? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 hour ago, StrangerInThisTown said: 4 pages and no one even wanted to guess which song they would do with Gilby I actually had that thought just before scrolling down and seeing your post. Would it really matter? My guess is the greater majority of the audience wouldn't have any idea who he is anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Cavalerra Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 He'll only get Duff solo section aka TSI song, without Axl on stage, it's gonna be hilariously fucked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 'Dead Flowers'. In an ideal world he would play 'Tijuana' Jail but that would never happen. Slash plays on that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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