SoulMonster Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, killuridols said: Having emotions is being immature? No? Didn't say that. More that it is immature to replace the holes we have in our understanding with emotions and then from these jump to conclusions. We don't arrive at understanding by just feeling passionately about something. In fact, emotions tend to cloud our judgment. These things should co-exist peacefully side by side, they are not interchangeable. But when we analytically know something, then we use passion and emotions to drive our actions. Edited May 28, 2018 by SoulMonster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 minute ago, SoulMonster said: No? Didn't say that. More that it is immature to replace the holes we have in our understanding with emotions and then from these jump to conclusions. We don't arrive at understanding by just feeling passionately about something. In fact, emotions tend to cloud our judgment. These things should co-exist peacefully side by side, they are not interchangeable. But we analytically know something, then we use passion and emotions to drive our actions. Agree. The problem here is that we won't have all the elements we need to arrive at such understanding anytime soon, and you know it. I'd love to have the word of all parties involved. Discussion would be much richer and entertaining than you and me talking about soccer until the holes of the story get filled! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 minute ago, killuridols said: Agree. The problem here is that we won't have all the elements we need to arrive at such understanding anytime soon, and you know it. I know, which is why I am sitting on the fence and not blaming anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 minute ago, SoulMonster said: I know, which is why I am sitting on the fence and not blaming anyone. Aright. Do I bring your popcorn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikka Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 10 hours ago, ludurigan said: 4) about Steve White, road manager (any info on him?) Not much info on the guy, except he's still in contact with Jimmy Asshurst https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207236759098017&set=p.10207236759098017&type=3&theater 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 I heard he got offered 40k for the first 4 shows 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgnr Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Gibbo said: I heard he got offered 40k for the first 4 shows So that would be 10k per show? I don't understand anything of this business and let alone this amount of cash, but there was a Billboard article from 2016 stating that Guns were asking 3 Million per show So giving Izzy, co-founder and main songwriter, 10K out of the 3 million is kinda insulting, right? Edited May 28, 2018 by dgnr 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 42 minutes ago, Gibbo said: I heard he got offered 40k for the first 4 shows They should have added another 0 to that and they might have had their man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, dgnr said: So that would be 10k per show? I don't understand anything of this business and let alone this amount of cash, but there was a Billboard article from 2016 stating that Guns were asking 3 Million per show So giving Izzy, co-founder and main songwriter, 10K out of the 3 million is kinda insulting, right? I heard gnr got 26m by AEG for them 4 shows. Edited May 28, 2018 by Gibbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, dgnr said: So that would be 10k per show? I don't understand anything of this business and let alone this amount of cash, but there was a Billboard article from 2016 stating that Guns were asking 3 Million per show So giving Izzy, co-founder and main songwriter, 10K out of the 3 million is kinda insulting, right? You can only answer that when you know what the other band members get out of the total and also what other deals regulate the current and former band members revenues from live shows and other. For all I know Izzy could have received some "severance package" at some stage after he left the band to compensate for the band still playing his songs without him, which would naturally mean that what would be fair compensation for him to join the tour now, would have to be somewhat lower. Not saying this example in itself is very realistic, just pointing out that there could be other agreements that would influence what can be considered "fair" compensation for joining these shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsdaddy76 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Maybe the negotiation wasn’t just about money? Maybe Izzy wanted a classic lineup etc. But he did say before that they “didn’t want to share the loot”... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby845 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 32 minutes ago, Gibbo said: I heard gnr got 26m by AEG for them 4 shows. Regardless of the ticket sales? Coachella and Vegas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tori72 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 hour ago, bikka said: Not much info on the guy, except he's still in contact with Jimmy Asshurst https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207236759098017&set=p.10207236759098017&type=3&theater That pic is from around 93, there’s Izzy, too. With his dreads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 24 minutes ago, scooby845 said: Regardless of the ticket sales? Coachella and Vegas? Not sure how it works I just heard that before the shows happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Gibbo said: I heard he got offered 40k for the first 4 shows Four shows? That means Izzy was offered a guest spot only. The question is how do we know that Izzy only wanted to play 4 shows only. Maybe his goal was the whole tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Padme said: Maybe his goal was the whole tour. Why would you think that? Izzy has barely toured. The friend in the article says he wants to be untethered. Izzy's been doing exactly what he wants for 30 years now, a short tour here and there, some guest appearances when he feels like it. I just don't see him committing to a full on world tour that will last years. I see no indication of that whatsoever. Seems to me Izzy values his freedom more than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, Padme said: Four shows? That means Izzy was offered a guest spot only. The question is how do we know that Izzy only wanted to play 4 shows only. Maybe his goal was the whole tour. Even for 4 shows that's too little, considering who he is and how much they've earned so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Padme said: Maybe his goal was the whole tour. Maybe, but not likely... just like the article says, he doesn't like to be tied down. There's a reason he doesn't even tour for his own solo records. To become part of such a huge machine, having responsibilities, for the first time since the early 90s, seems difficult for anyone, let alone for someone like him who isn't comfortable in that situation in the first place. Edited May 28, 2018 by EvanG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, Padme said: Four shows? That means Izzy was offered a guest spot only. The question is how do we know that Izzy only wanted to play 4 shows only. Maybe his goal was the whole tour. I think that no one knew if they'd do more then the 4 shows when the negotiations started, iirc. And Izzys tweet stipulated "the April shows." So it doesnt necessarily speak to guest spots only, although I personally dont think CD tracks and Fortus were ever going away. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 2 hours ago, bikka said: Not much info on the guy, except he's still in contact with Jimmy Asshurst https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207236759098017&set=p.10207236759098017&type=3&theater wow nice find! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby845 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Maybe Izzy didn't wanna play CD songs. Every time he joined Axl and nuGNR on stage, he only played his own. Duff, on the other hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 18 minutes ago, Padme said: Four shows? That means Izzy was offered a guest spot only. The question is how do we know that Izzy only wanted to play 4 shows only. Maybe his goal was the whole tour. This was before the tour started. Not when they start the stadium tour when he showed up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 If it was a guest spot, why would he play CD songs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 22 minutes ago, Padme said: Four shows? That means Izzy was offered a guest spot only. The question is how do we know that Izzy only wanted to play 4 shows only. Maybe his goal was the whole tour. 4 shows was just a starting point. Axl wasn’t sure they would make it four shows. I have no doubt Fortus would have remained in the lineup though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, Lio said: Why would you think that? Izzy has barely toured. The friend in the article says he wants to be untethered. Izzy's been doing exactly what he wants for 30 years now, a short tour here and there, some guest appearances when he feels like it. I just don't see him committing to a full on world tour that will last years. I see no indication of that whatsoever. Seems to me Izzy values his freedom more than anything. 3 minutes ago, soon said: I think that no one knew if they'd do more then the 4 shows when the negotiations started, iirc. And Izzys tweet stipulated "the April shows." So it doesnt necessarily speak to guest spots only, although I personally dont think CD tracks and Fortus were ever going away. If the answer is so simple.Then why is it such an impossible task for Fernando or Axl just explain that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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