What exactly slash told the media that pissed Axl so much?

[papashaun]

Anyone know if there is any truth to something I read in a magazine years ago....Stating that at one point after Velvet Revolver formed, that Slash showed up at Axl's house, wanting to talk about reconciling....Even going as far to call Scott Weiland a "Fraud?"  I can't remember the source of reading this, but this stuck out in my mind...and seems like it may have even been addressed on the Howard Stern show at one point as well.....by Baba Booey.

[Blackstar]

2 minutes ago, papashaun said:

Anyone know if there is any truth to something I read in a magazine years ago....Stating that at one point after Velvet Revolver formed, that Slash showed up at Axl's house, wanting to talk about reconciling....Even going as far to call Scott Weiland a "Fraud?"  I can't remember the source of reading this, but this stuck out in my mind...and seems like it may have even been addressed on the Howard Stern show at one point as well.....by Baba Booey.

Yes, it's true he went at Axl's house. Read here (it's all the story with links):

http://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/217670-gnr-womens-discussion-part-2/?do=findComment&comment=4435959

 

[papashaun]

5 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Yes, it's true he went at Axl's house. Read here (it's all the story with links):

http://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/217670-gnr-womens-discussion-part-2/?do=findComment&comment=4435959

 

Thank you for the link!! That answer's my question exactly.

[Free Bird]

But nobody knows what was really said. Or if anything was said at all

[gnfnrs1972]

Narcissistic people that can't get their way throw 20 year tantrums. Look at the long list of people that quit nugnr. If you don't think it isn't Axl's fault, your fucking crazy.

[WWEROSES]

On 7/21/2018 at 4:46 AM, MCollins said:

Similarly I remember the Christmas special of Raw magazine in '91, making comedy predictions for the coming year, and they wrote, "July - Axl sacks the entire band of Guns n' Roses, and continues by himself as "n' Rose"  I just thought it was hilarious at the time and never gave a second's consideration to its credibility.

Thats funny, lol I remember a cartoon drawing someone posted on the forum years ago that said something along the lines of "Axl fires everyone, and is playing all instruments and vocals" and it was a drawing of him with guitars wrapped around his neck and a drum kick strapped to his back and a keyboard in front of him. Wish I had saved it, lol.

[D..]

On 21/07/2018 at 6:36 PM, Tom-Ass said:

Slash Slash Slash... Duff, Izzy, Adlers, Matt, Gilby, past managers and other versions of the story pretty much align with him. Anyone with half a brain and no blinders that was a fan at the time knows can see Axl was largely to blame for the whole mess. It was either Duff or Izzy that actually called Axl a dictator in an interview.. Not Slash.. Slash also tried to reach out to Axl more than once. His wife would send him Xmas cards, he went to his house and was turned away, he went to a NuGuns show and was escorted out of the building. 

Of course they align. Because Axl managed to be the Boss and do things his way, and they were all out. They had other plans and they were fed up they couldn't do things their way. 

Axl had the vision and the passion. And the charisma. He was the natural leader. You can hardly make a band work if everyone wants to impose their vision. When there is one vision by the leader and the rest of the people help make that vision happen, you can have something truly special. Otherwise it's just a result of compromises and it's basically shit.

On that note, France won the world cup, and I really wasn't sure about our team since I'm not a big football fan. I saw a couple of documentaries on Didier Deschamps, the man managing the team, and he happens to be exactly like Axl. He has a vision and accept no compromise. He picked some players that were very criticized (for their so-called "lack of skills") and kicked some troublemakers out of the group despite their talent. The reason why he did so is because he wanted to ensure the group spirit was the best possible. That the alchemy was right. That's how you manage a team.

Also, funnily enough, Didier Deschamps won the world cup in 1998, as a player (captain of the team as well). One of his teammates from 1998 is called Dugarry and constantly badmouthed Deschamps regarding his choices with the 2018 team. Dugarry lacked vision in the 1998 team, and failed a lot of things, and now he's doing his radio show no one cares about. Deschamps said he will never talk to him again because he lacked respect to him and crossed the line criticizing him constantly, especially considering they used to be in a team together. And not any team: the world champions of 1998. 

Matt Sorum reminds me of Dugarry for some reason... someone who criticizes the choice of having a piano in a rock band and having an orchestra for November Rain... Those two guys are idiots. They should be thankful they were in a big thing and had great leaders.

Edited July 23, 2018 by D..

[Tom-Ass]

12 hours ago, D.. said:

Axl had the vision and the passion. And the charisma. He was the natural leader. You can hardly make a band work if everyone wants to impose their vision. When there is one vision by the leader and the rest of the people help make that vision happen, you can have something truly special. Otherwise it's just a result of compromises and it's basically shit.

Axl had the vision?  What was that vision? Chinese Democracy? lol I get some people like it but if his vision was to disband the most popular rock band in the world to release an album like Chinese Democracy 10 years later, that vision is flawed lol..

Axl had the passion to make it work? Was he able to make it "work" without the others?  I would say no... Passion? Again.. The passion to release one album in 20 years now?  I would have to say that the rest of the bands "passion" and work ethic exceeded Axl's judging but the lopsided amounts of music they released. 

Your points only make sense in a fantasy world.. Guns were on top of the world as a 1rst class rock band.. Even with the small catalog they had, Guns 87-93  are considered one of the greatest rock bands of all time.. Maybe if Axl was able to compromise and didn't turn into an egotistical dbag in the 90's they could have continued as that.  The vision of the rest of the band was to continue on their hugely successful path as a world class rock band.

Axl's vision lol.. Wasn't it Axl himself that talked about that vision in an interview back in the early NuGnR days?  The people that blindly follow him sure ate that one up and ran with it like he was some genius.. If forcing everyone out of the band that helped get you where you were for an endless cast of revolving band members, trying to make an album by chasing the latest trends like the 90's industrial era, finally releasing it after those trends came, went and then sounded outdated, denying your millions of fans from getting music from the band they loved was his vision.. Then he succeeded.. yay... 

 

Edited July 23, 2018 by Tom-Ass

[gnfnrs1972]

2 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

Axl had the vision?  What was that vision? Chinese Democracy? lol I get some people like it but if his vision was to disband the most popular rock band in the world to release an album like Chinese Democracy 10 years later, that vision is flawed lol..

Axl had the passion to make it work? Was he able to make it "work" without the others?  I would say no... Passion? Again.. The passion to release one album in 20 years now?  I would have to say that the rest of the bands "passion" and work ethic exceeded Axl's judging but the lopsided amounts of music they released. 

Your points only make sense in a fantasy world.. Guns were on top of the world as a 1rst class rock band.. Even with the small catalog they had, Guns 87-93  are considered one of the greatest rock bands of all time.. Maybe if Axl was able to compromise and didn't turn into an egotistical dbag in the 90's they could have continued as that.  The vision of the rest of the band was to continue on there hugely successful path. 

Axl's vision lol.. Wasn't it Axl himself that talked about that vision in an interview back in the early NuGnR days?  The people that blindly follow him sure ate that one up and ran with it like he was some genius.. If forcing everyone out of the band that helped get you where you were for an endless cast of revolving band members, trying to make an album by chasing the latest trends like the 90's industrial era, finally releasing it after those trends came, went and then sounded outdated, denying your millions of fans from getting music from the band they loved was his vision.. Then he succeeded.. yay... 

 

I agree with all that you said even though Axl is my favorite singer....in studio.

[MCollins]

I agree more with what Frontman says. Way too much is made of Axl being a "genius" and some kind of mythical figure compared to the other 4, mainly because of his reclusive nature, but you can tell listening to Appetite and the solo albums that it really was a "greater than the sum of its parts band" and exactly what each member brought to the mix. The songs on CD that are like Estranged etc are the better ones, the rockers, like CD itself, are rather bland, not a patch on, say, Mr B or My Michelle riff wise. Whatever his vision was it was a combination of all of their talents that made Appetite what it was, and I think people liked the fact that Guns didn't seem to have one "leader" that made them "real". Even Bon Jovi or Motley Crue who ostensibly have a "leader" would have got nowhere if they hadn't had a guitar player who could actually write some wicked songs and riffs. And if there was ever really a leader it was Izzy initially who had the ideas for the image, and all the rest of the band who told Axl to sing in the high, raspy voice.

Having said which, to be fair Axl actually worked pretty fast musically on CD when you think about it, with reports of almost all the songs having near as damn it final versions being worked on in the late 90s. It was all the fucking around afterwards that postponed it for so long. I'm still curious why it too so long to get it out when there were reports back in what, 2002, that he was ready to release it, but that's for another thread.

[Free Bird]

11 hours ago, D.. said:

Of course they align. Because Axl managed to be the Boss and do things his way, and they were all out. They had other plans and they were fed up they couldn't do things their way. 

Axl had the vision and the passion. And the charisma. He was the natural leader. You can hardly make a band work if everyone wants to impose their vision. When there is one vision by the leader and the rest of the people help make that vision happen, you can have something truly special. Otherwise it's just a result of compromises and it's basically shit.

On that note, France won the world cup, and I really wasn't sure about our team since I'm not a big football fan. I saw a couple of documentaries on Didier Deschamps, the man managing the team, and he happens to be exactly like Axl. He has a vision and accept no compromise. He picked some players that were very criticized (for their so-called "lack of skills") and kicked some troublemakers out of the group despite their talent. The reason why he did so is because he wanted to ensure the group spirit was the best possible. That the alchemy was right. That's how you manage a team.

Also, funnily enough, Didier Deschamps won the world cup in 1998, as a player (captain of the team as well). One of his teammates from 1998 is called Dugarry and constantly badmouthed Deschamps regarding his choices with the 2018 team. Dugarry lacked vision in the 1998 team, and failed a lot of things, and now he's doing his radio show no one cares about. Deschamps said he will never talk to him again because he lacked respect to him and crossed the line criticizing him constantly, especially considering they used to be in a team together. And not any team: the world champions of 1998. 

Matt Sorum reminds me of Dugarry for some reason... someone who criticizes the choice of having a piano in a rock band and having an orchestra for November Rain... Those two guys are idiots. They should be thankful they were in a big thing and had great leaders.

Disagree completely. Axl thought he is the leader. Unfortunately his vision turned the greatest band in the world into the biggest joke in the world. 

They created one of the best records ever in music history as a band. Not as one man's vision with the help of others.

Everybody who thinks GNR was a one man show has never understood anything about this band. Period.

[Free Bird]

2 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

Axl had the vision?  What was that vision? Chinese Democracy? lol I get some people like it but if his vision was to disband the most popular rock band in the world to release an album like Chinese Democracy 10 years later, that vision is flawed lol..

Axl had the passion to make it work? Was he able to make it "work" without the others?  I would say no... Passion? Again.. The passion to release one album in 20 years now?  I would have to say that the rest of the bands "passion" and work ethic exceeded Axl's judging but the lopsided amounts of music they released. 

Your points only make sense in a fantasy world.. Guns were on top of the world as a 1rst class rock band.. Even with the small catalog they had, Guns 87-93  are considered one of the greatest rock bands of all time.. Maybe if Axl was able to compromise and didn't turn into an egotistical dbag in the 90's they could have continued as that.  The vision of the rest of the band was to continue on there hugely successful path. 

Axl's vision lol.. Wasn't it Axl himself that talked about that vision in an interview back in the early NuGnR days?  The people that blindly follow him sure ate that one up and ran with it like he was some genius.. If forcing everyone out of the band that helped get you where you were for an endless cast of revolving band members, trying to make an album by chasing the latest trends like the 90's industrial era, finally releasing it after those trends came, went and then sounded outdated, denying your millions of fans from getting music from the band they loved was his vision.. Then he succeeded.. yay... 

 

Homerun

There's nothing more to add 

[double talkin jive mfkr]

slash said on a TV interview around 2001 that CD would suck - i think that was the nail in the coffin 

[Sosso]

3 hours ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

slash said on a TV interview around 2001 that CD would suck - i think that was the nail in the coffin 

I thought that he would've refused to watch/hear anything NuGN'R-related? How was he able to rate the material, then.

Edited July 23, 2018 by Sosso

[moreblack]

2 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

Axl had the vision?  What was that vision? Chinese Democracy? lol I get some people like it but if his vision was to disband the most popular rock band in the world to release an album like Chinese Democracy 10 years later, that vision is flawed lol..

Axl had the passion to make it work? Was he able to make it "work" without the others?  I would say no... Passion? Again.. The passion to release one album in 20 years now?  I would have to say that the rest of the bands "passion" and work ethic exceeded Axl's judging but the lopsided amounts of music they released. 

Your points only make sense in a fantasy world.. Guns were on top of the world as a 1rst class rock band.. Even with the small catalog they had, Guns 87-93  are considered one of the greatest rock bands of all time.. Maybe if Axl was able to compromise and didn't turn into an egotistical dbag in the 90's they could have continued as that.  The vision of the rest of the band was to continue on there hugely successful path. 

Axl's vision lol.. Wasn't it Axl himself that talked about that vision in an interview back in the early NuGnR days?  The people that blindly follow him sure ate that one up and ran with it like he was some genius.. If forcing everyone out of the band that helped get you where you were for an endless cast of revolving band members, trying to make an album by chasing the latest trends like the 90's industrial era, finally releasing it after those trends came, went and then sounded outdated, denying your millions of fans from getting music from the band they loved was his vision.. Then he succeeded.. yay... 

 

Can't see it any other way. It's not any other way.

[gnfnrs1972]

I got an idea, lets ask Fernando, he knows. We are just a bunch of dumb ass outsiders speculating.

[nikothebellic]

All that speculations of what had happened are really fascinating, but after all - worthless. It seems like a thrilling story, a big feud and an interesting gossip, but for them probably it was just like brothers' disagreement - one emotional person kicked another and they decided to play "who will say "sorry" first". For sure, there were some problems (music style, guitarists change, Axl's behaivor), but such things exist everywehre. Even RS was on a brink of aparting in 1984. GnR was just so energetic band (as you can see from their shows) that they decided their future in the same style. And if for us it was long 20+ years, for them it was just a hiatus of the show - they did some solo stuff, rested from each other and that's all. From people's POV all that media feud seems serious, but for them it's a style of communication, making a statement, not necessary the final one. I wouldn't be suprise if Axl and Slash speaked to each other during this years, just not in public and made this feud just a big promotional act. Even Meegan thanked Axl for Slash's sobriety - curious, how did he help, sending New Year Cards? For sure there is some deeper story, but the thing is or it's too simple (everything was barely OK, just misunderstanding) to get so much attention, or it's too tragic (Axl was severely ill) to talk about it.  

Edited July 23, 2018 by nikothebellic

[D..]

2 hours ago, Free Bird said:

Disagree completely. Axl thought he is the leader. Unfortunately his vision turned the greatest band in the world into the biggest joke in the world. 

They created one of the best records ever in music history as a band. Not as one man's vision with the help of others.

Everybody who thinks GNR was a one man show has never understood anything about this band. Period.

Anybody can think whatever they want. Some people loved the band without Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven, and consider Axl as the only one that matters. When I was in Norway in 2010, I was surprised at how many people were here for Axl only.

 I shit you not, I didn't like Appetite for Destruction that much originally, when I was 20 years old. Chinese Democracy is what made me become a fan. I relate to the lyrics and the music a lot more. 

More than the music, I love Axl's rants, Axl's way of thinking. I love what he represents. He is Guns N' Roses to me.

I have a lot of respect for all the past and current members. I appreciate all the work they put into creating classic tunes. But Axl is the key element. Without him, his voice, his mindset, his lyrics, the way he is, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have considered GN'R that much. 

He is one of the few men I really admire.

[Rovim]

3 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

Axl had the vision?  What was that vision? Chinese Democracy? lol I get some people like it but if his vision was to disband the most popular rock band in the world to release an album like Chinese Democracy 10 years later, that vision is flawed lol..

Axl had the passion to make it work? Was he able to make it "work" without the others?  I would say no... Passion? Again.. The passion to release one album in 20 years now?  I would have to say that the rest of the bands "passion" and work ethic exceeded Axl's judging but the lopsided amounts of music they released. 

Your points only make sense in a fantasy world.. Guns were on top of the world as a 1rst class rock band.. Even with the small catalog they had, Guns 87-93  are considered one of the greatest rock bands of all time.. Maybe if Axl was able to compromise and didn't turn into an egotistical dbag in the 90's they could have continued as that.  The vision of the rest of the band was to continue on their hugely successful path as a world class rock band.

Axl's vision lol.. Wasn't it Axl himself that talked about that vision in an interview back in the early NuGnR days?  The people that blindly follow him sure ate that one up and ran with it like he was some genius.. If forcing everyone out of the band that helped get you where you were for an endless cast of revolving band members, trying to make an album by chasing the latest trends like the 90's industrial era, finally releasing it after those trends came, went and then sounded outdated, denying your millions of fans from getting music from the band they loved was his vision.. Then he succeeded.. yay... 

 

it's naive to think it was all on axl. others in the band certainly had something to do with the band imploding. some of the success was indeed axl's vision and he made the band bigger and more adventurous musically like estranged and november rain, not to mention thanks to axl they used the riff for scom, their only number 1 single. it's not like axl was the only one with a big ego. they were young and with a lot of power back then. 

Edited July 23, 2018 by Rovim

[double talkin jive mfkr]

3 hours ago, Sosso said:

I thought was he that would've refused to watch/hear anything NuGN'R-related? How was he able to rate the material, then.

i believe he was more so perceiving, assuming and predicting the outcome of the record without having heard anything or very little 

[Free Bird]

1 hour ago, D.. said:

Anybody can think whatever they want. Some people loved the band without Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven, and consider Axl as the only one that matters. When I was in Norway in 2010, I was surprised at how many people were here for Axl only.

 I shit you not, I didn't like Appetite for Destruction that much originally, when I was 20 years old. Chinese Democracy is what made me become a fan. I relate to the lyrics and the music a lot more. 

More than the music, I love Axl's rants, Axl's way of thinking. I love what he represents. He is Guns N' Roses to me.

I have a lot of respect for all the past and current members. I appreciate all the work they put into creating classic tunes. But Axl is the key element. Without him, his voice, his mindset, his lyrics, the way he is, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have considered GN'R that much. 

He is one of the few men I really admire.

You are entitled to your opinion. It's totally ok to love GNR because of Axl. But that doesn't change the fact that Axl isn't GNR. Guns were more than that and since Axl took control it was straight downhill from there.

Axl proofed for 2 decades that he is NOT GNR

[Kula2006]

2 hours ago, D.. said:

Anybody can think whatever they want. Some people loved the band without Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven, and consider Axl as the only one that matters. When I was in Norway in 2010, I was surprised at how many people were here for Axl only.

 

Of course they came for axl as he was the only person from the original band during that time - but it has nothing to do with all these people thinking that Axl is GnR - it was just the fact that it was the only possibility to see axl perform live

Edited July 23, 2018 by Kula2006

[Tom-Ass]

8 hours ago, Rovim said:

it's naive to think it was all on axl. others in the band certainly had something to do with the band imploding. some of the success was indeed axl's vision and he made the band bigger and more adventurous musically like estranged and november rain, not to mention thanks to axl they used the riff for scom, their only number 1 single. it's not like axl was the only one with a big ego. they were young and with a lot of power back then. 

derrrr

 

[Free Bird]

6 hours ago, Kula2006 said:

Of course they came for axl as he was the only person from the original band during that time - but it has nothing to do with all these people thinking that Axl is GnR - it was just the fact that it was the only possibility to see axl perform live

Actually it's very easy. Guns n Roses in 2010 played small sized stadiums or arenas and most of them weren't sold out. Slash in 2014 played arenas too in here europe. Basicslly in front of the same amount of people.

Compare that to what we have now and quickly you will realise what people recognize as GNR

[BOSSY78]

While I think every member contributed to making Guns great I say Axl isn't replaceable.

Axl also wasn't the only one with what some are saying an ego. I'm sure others wanted to implement visions how they saw fit as well.

Axl hasn't been called one of the greatest front man ever for nothing. He is considered a Leader in GnR rather people like it or not.

We can all sit and speculate who said or did what but none of us were there and it seems the band  has moved on from that.

I do agree that Guns is better with all of them. When you go to a concert the fans scream for Axl. When Slash had Velevet Revolver they would scream for Slash though Scott also had a big following prior to VR as well.

This isn't to say fans aren't  yelling other members names either. 

If the story was different and somehow Axl was kicked out instead I don't think Guns would be where it is or the same.Rather people like it or not his vision and his leadership etc made Guns what they are. Many of the songs that became their greatest hits were songs other band members didn't like. His ballads have become iconic.

Somewhere today Steven is telling someone how he hates the ballads and their not GnR but they are. I don't know anyone who doesn't know the ballads.

Sure there are so many great songs outside the ballads but I mention them for his vision. 

This post has no bearing on what I think others have contributed to take the songs to another level. Clearly I can go on about Slash and his guitar  solos or even Steven's drumming in certain songs etc etc. 

Edited July 24, 2018 by BOSSY78
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