Why did Izzy quit the reunion after flying out for a soundcheck? Hadn't the money already been discussed at that point?

[paranoyd androyd]

A quote from an article in May:

Former band manager Alan Niven said earlier this year that the reunion had actually come very close to taking place, to the point that Stradlin had flown to a stadium show in the Midwest and completed a soundcheck – but that he “didn’t want to have anything to do with” it after that point. “Obviously, had it gone well and everybody had been happy, and there had been a little bit of brotherhood — I’m sure he would have stayed with it,” Niven commented. “But something must have really upset him, because he left after the soundcheck, and never turned up for another one or an appearance. I would think right now, he's probably a little pissed off."

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/izzy-stradlin-guns-n-roses-statement/

 

I'm confused on the above.

As we know, it's been widely reported that it was the issue around money which kept Izzy out of the reunion. And Izzy himself did post (and later deleted) on twitter: “Bullshit. They didn't want to split the loot equally. Simple as that. Moving right along.."

So does this mean the money issue didn't truly come to a head until the soundcheck in the Midwest? If so, I have a very hard time believing that. I just don't see Izzy flying all the way out to the show and doing a soundcheck without already having an agreement in place. That would be extremely un-Izzy like, since he's always been very hesitant of commitment where GNR is concerned.

So, as Niven alluded to, did something else (unrelated to money) happen at the last moment during that soundcheck that really pissed him off?... Like did they turn Izzy's amp down or do something else where he felt belittled? Niven obviously doesn't know what specifically happened, but from the way it reads in this article, it appears there was some kind of major incident that had nothing to do with the money.

[Tom-Ass]

I don't know but I wish he would share the stage with these guys again soon.... Life is too damn short....

[Blackstar]

This soundcheck story is questionable, despite of what Alan Niven said.

The whole thing started as a rumour, when a member here posted that a friend/acquaintance of his was at the hotel with the band in Nashville and she saw Izzy there. According to her, Izzy looked grumpy, annoyed at Adler (who played at that show) and talked only to Duff. She didn't say anything about soundcheck, and other members who were outside the venue during soundcheck said they heard Steven but nothing about Izzy. It's all in the 2016 Nashville show thread.

Then a few months or more later, Niven told this story on Appetite for Distortion, that Izzy had flown "somewhere in the Midwest" and even did soundcheck with the band, but something went wrong.

Later, he confirmed to @Gambit83 that the story took place at the Nashville show. On a second interview, he mentioned that the story was on the forums before he brought it up.

However, no one else confirms this story.

In fact, Steven told a fan in Australia that he hasn't talked to Izzy in person since 2008 (they've only been texting/talking on the phone, he said). Steven was in Nashville, so how could Izzy have been there?

Moreover, Anthony Bozza (co-writer of Slash's book) was backstage before and after the Nashville show and he said on the GNR Central podcast that he didn't hear anything about Izzy.

 

Edited August 15, 2018 by Blackstar

[Blackstar]

^^^^

About the fan who talked to Steven:

 

Edited August 15, 2018 by Blackstar

[Fourteenbeers]

7 hours ago, Blackstar said:

This soundcheck story is questionable, despite of what Alan Niven said.

The whole thing started as a rumour, when a member here posted that a friend/acquaintance of his was at the hotel with the band in Nashville and she saw Izzy there. According to her, Izzy looked grumpy, annoyed at Adler (who played at that show) and talked only to Duff. She didn't say anything about soundcheck, and other members who were outside the venue during soundcheck said they heard Steven but nothing about Izzy. It's all in the 2016 Nashville show thread.

Then a few months or more later, Niven told this story on Appetite for Distortion, that Izzy had flown "somewhere in the Midwest" and even did soundcheck with the band, but something went wrong.

Later, he confirmed to @Gambit83 that the story took place at the Nashville show. On a second interview, he mentioned that the story was on the forums before he brought it up.

However, no one else confirms this story.

In fact, Steven told a fan in Australia that he hasn't talked to Izzy in person since 2008 (they've only been texting/talking on the phone, he said). Steven was in Nashville, so how could Izzy have been there?

Moreover, Anthony Bozza (co-writer of Slash's book) was backstage before and after the Nashville show and he said on the GNR Central podcast that he didn't hear anything about Izzy.

 

I don't think Alan Niven is credible source of information. Despite that he likes Izzy, it seems that he also likes to get attention by creating headlines that involve Izzy/Gn'R. All  things considered, this whole story is so obscure and contradictory that I don't believe in it. Somebody saw someone somewhere ... the rumors could've started because of a case of mistaken identity ( for example Richard Fortus has been mistaken for Izzy many times before) It's also possible that people just make up stuff to get attention, it happens all the time.  

 

 

Edited August 15, 2018 by Fourteenbeers

[ludurigan]

you cant quit something that you are not part of

[IncitingChaos]

Izzy might not have liked the vibe of it. He might have gotten there and thought the reality was less cool than the idea

[BOSSY78]

2 hours ago, paranoyd androyd said:

A quote from an article in May:

Former band manager Alan Niven said earlier this year that the reunion had actually come very close to taking place, to the point that Stradlin had flown to a stadium show in the Midwest and completed a soundcheck – but that he “didn’t want to have anything to do with” it after that point. “Obviously, had it gone well and everybody had been happy, and there had been a little bit of brotherhood — I’m sure he would have stayed with it,” Niven commented. “But something must have really upset him, because he left after the soundcheck, and never turned up for another one or an appearance. I would think right now, he's probably a little pissed off."

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/izzy-stradlin-guns-n-roses-statement/

 

I'm confused on the above.

As we know, it's been widely reported that it was the issue around money which kept Izzy out of the reunion. And Izzy himself did post (and later deleted) on twitter: “Bullshit. They didn't want to split the loot equally. Simple as that. Moving right along.."

So does this mean the money issue didn't truly come to a head until the soundcheck in the Midwest? If so, I have a very hard time believing that. I just don't see Izzy flying all the way out to the show and doing a soundcheck without already having an agreement in place. That would be extremely un-Izzy like, since he's always been very hesitant of commitment where GNR is concerned.

So, as Niven alluded to, did something else (unrelated to money) happen at the last moment during that soundcheck that really pissed him off?... Like did they turn Izzy's amp down or do something else where he felt belittled? Niven obviously doesn't know what specifically happened, but from the way it reads in this article, it appears there was some kind of major incident that had nothing to do with the money.

Seems theres conflicting stories on this.

The whole part of a money agreement you mentioned reminds me of when he did some appearances with NuGnR an agreement was reached but he later demanded more from Managment during his appearance. It's been a while so don't remember the exact specifics on it.

I believe they paid him but didn't tell Axl until after as not to upset him or hurt him that Izzy would do that.

Axl didn't find out until after the fact when Izzy was gone.

So if it was true he was at soundcheck and that's a big IF then he may have asked for more just like he did for his small appearance he made with NuGNR..

Also I believe there was a rumor with this possibly from Alan that Steven was getting on his nerves at the soundcheck.

[Sydney Fan]

^^^ i thought axl did an interview with Del james where he knew about izzy negotiating to do a few shows during the nugnr tour but axl didnt want to know the $$$$ and not want to be privy to those negotiations incase things may fall through. So axl didnt want to be to involved in those discussions.

Edited August 15, 2018 by Sydney Fan

[El Guapo]

I don't believe Izzy was at a soundcheck either. Like somebody in this thread said, it was probably just Fortus Longus mistaken for being Izzy by someone and then the story went on.

[Tori72]

It’s weird because the fan reportedly knew who Fortus Lortus and who Izzy are and wasn’t mistaken. She also said Izzy was in a bad mood.

Then Steven goes and says he hasn’t talked to him since 2008. And Alan Niven - I don’t trust his credibility. I’m not saying he’s lying because I don’t know things but he has claimed to know things before that didn’t turn out to be true. Also he loves hearing himself talk.

So whatever it is. It seems to be like two stories put into one. Or even more. Or it is a no-story after all. We don’t know nothing. As usual 

Edited August 15, 2018 by Tori72

[F*ck Fear]

2016? If it was later than that I'd say he probably heard Axl's voice, then bounced.

[Fourteenbeers]

4 hours ago, Tori72 said:

It’s weird because the fan reportedly knew who Fortus Lortus and who Izzy are and wasn’t mistaken. She also said Izzy was in a bad mood.

Then Steven goes and says he hasn’t talked to him since 2008. And Alan Niven - I don’t trust his credibility. I’m not saying he’s lying because I don’t know things but he has claimed to know things before that didn’t turn out to be true. Also he loves hearing himself talk.

So whatever it is. It seems to be like two stories put into one. Or even more. Or it is a no-story after all. We don’t know nothing. As usual 

Maybe there was another Izzy lookalike in addition to Fortus? In the Izzy -thread, we've gone through several photos of people who have been mistaken for him  and with some of them- we are still not sure. It seems that there's plenty of Izzies in the world.  

But seriously speaking, if Izzy really was there, at the soundcheck or at the hotel or in Narnia or wherever, why have nobody who was there, (who's not a anonymous fan/passer-by), confirmed it? If it really happened, I get that the Gn'R camp wouldn't want to talk about it, the Izzy-situation being sore subject and all, but you'd think there would be more evidence... 

3 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Release an album for fucks sake.

That's right guys, release an album so we can have something new to complain about. 

Edited August 15, 2018 by Fourteenbeers

[wasted]

Someone explained this already. The band & crew get paid a set amount from the tour earnings. Then the Big 3 share the profits however big or small. 

So Izzy would be flying coach with Fortus and Dizzy. Definitely not sharing the profits with the Big 3. 

Izzy thinks GNR is the AFD5 I suppose so another factor might be the line up vibe. 

 

Edited August 15, 2018 by wasted

[sidman69]

i spoke with someone from the band and there was no soundcheck with izzy. Show was Nashville

[Fourteenbeers]

3 hours ago, sidman69 said:

i spoke with someone from the band and there was no soundcheck with izzy. Show was Nashville

Someone?  Was that someone by any chance excited about possibility of new album from Guns n' Roses ? 

Edited August 15, 2018 by Fourteenbeers

[Tori72]

21 minutes ago, Fourteenbeers said:

Someone?  Was that someone by any chance excited about possibility of new album from Gun's n Roses ? 

Lol. And has been for some time now? 

[jacdaniel]

I wonder if AFD5 was something that was on the cards for Coachella only. 

Slash seems to be saying that originally it was just a few shows, although I'm not sure I believe that. 

Maybe that's why Steven was rehearsing before Troubadour before he hurt his back. 

Maybe that's when Izzy couldn't agree terms and said he wasn't involved in the upcoming shows.

 

That's just a theory though. Realistically, I think Axl needed a guitar player to replace Bumble and a bassist to replace Tommy. Duff was an obvious choice and probably convinced Axl to call Slash.

[Modano09]

1 minute ago, jacdaniel said:

I wonder if AFD5 was something that was on the cards for Coachella only. 

Slash seems to be saying that originally it was just a few shows, although I'm not sure I believe that. 

Maybe that's why Steven was rehearsing before Troubadour before he hurt his back. 

Maybe that's when Izzy couldn't agree terms and said he wasn't involved in the upcoming shows.

 

That's just a theory though. Realistically, I think Axl needed a guitar player to replace Bumble and a bassist to replace Tommy. Duff was an obvious choice and probably convinced Axl to call Slash.

Didn't Axl say something about it originally just being Coachella and "we'll see" and when they were getting along they agreed to the tour and kept adding to it?

That might explain why the band line up was so secretive for so long.

[paranoyd androyd]

4 minutes ago, jacdaniel said:

I wonder if AFD5 was something that was on the cards for Coachella only. 

Slash seems to be saying that originally it was just a few shows, although I'm not sure I believe that. 

Maybe that's why Steven was rehearsing before Troubadour before he hurt his back. 

Maybe that's when Izzy couldn't agree terms and said he wasn't involved in the upcoming shows.

 

That's just a theory though. Realistically, I think Axl needed a guitar player to replace Bumble and a bassist to replace Tommy. Duff was an obvious choice and probably convinced Axl to call Slash.

I wonder if that story is even true at this point.

[jacdaniel]

6 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

Didn't Axl say something about it originally just being Coachella and "we'll see" and when they were getting along they agreed to the tour and kept adding to it?

That might explain why the band line up was so secretive for so long.

Anything is possible with this band. I think the AFD5 reunion may have been discussed for Coachella. 

But I don't think they really trust Izzy / Steven for a long term commitment. 

We'll probably never know for sure. They've all spoken publically since and it's still not clear what actually happened. 

[RageKage]

Makes sense. They probably planned afd5 for the troubadour and Coachella. Then the offers for the tour came in and they decided to do that with a different lineup.

That's maybe when Steven got the call from duff, saying he was out. 

[PatrickS77]

18 hours ago, paranoyd androyd said:

ey issue didn't truly come to a head until the soundcheck in the Midwest? If so, I have a very hard time believing that. I just don't see Izzy flying all the way out to the show and doing a soundcheck without already having an agreement in place. That would be extremely un-Izzy like, since he's always been very hesitant of commitment where GNR is concerned.

Why make it more complicated than it is? Money prevented his long term involvement in the tour. That's why he issued the statement prior to the tour that he won't be part of it. After Axl and Duff's interview about him being flaky, he set the record straight and said it was about money issues. After getting over whatever he needed to get over, he apparently/supposedly (assuming he really was at that tour stop) was willing to at least do a guest spot at one show. He went there, didn't like what was going on and went back home. Easy as that. As for Slash saying they just did Coachella and Mexico, got along and decided to tour. That's bs. As the day of the troubadour show, the tour dates already got released. So the decision to tour was made quite a while before Coachella. And really, it doesn't make much sense anyway to get together only to do Coachella (or do an AFD reunion only for Coachella... a fucking hipster festival that has nothing to do with rock and at the end of the day means nothing).

Edited August 15, 2018 by PatrickS77

[RONIN]

Three reasons for no Izzy:

1. Team Brazil/Del + other Axl leeches living expenses/retirement fund requirements

2. Slash's divorce settlement + alimony payments to Perla

3. Duff's expanding Yacht collection

[PatrickS77]

6 minutes ago, RONIN said:

Three reasons for no Izzy:

1. Team Brazil/Del + other Axl leeches living expenses/retirement fund requirements

2. Slash's divorce settlement + alimony payments to Perla

3. Duff's expanding Yacht collection

The is BS too. The only reason for him not being there is him giving up (voluntarily or forced) the partnership almost 30 years ago and having no real leverage to get paid what he wants to get paid for participating.