Russia Invades Ukraine

[Blackstar]

Ironically enough, before the invasion a large part of the population in Mariupol felt close to Russia

Source:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170822212837/http://www.iri.org/sites/default/files/2017-8-22_ukraine_poll_presentation.pdf

Edited April 6, 2022 by Blackstar

[ZoSoRose]

Putin is a horrible leader. This puts to rest all of the "hE iS rUtHlEsS bUt SmArT" nonsense. This complete clusterfuck of a miscalculation has set two countries back years. After the war, Ukraine will take years to recover- even after international support. Russia is set back decades by sanctions and worldwide disgust. Plus, the ill- will will fester for generations. It is a catastrophe, and all for no real gain. Russia cannot conquer Ukraine. Even if they annex parts of the Donbass and establish their land bridge to Crimea, it will not make up economically for all of the damage he has brought to his own people. I am just shocked by how this has played out. How could Putin have made the decision to invade knowing this could have been an outcome? He must have known, even if it was a small chance, this was possible?

[-Jaro-]

Another US/UK "staged" video 

 

[-Jaro-]

1 hour ago, Sweersa said:

Internment camps in the US is another. 

And for those wondering about Red Army crimes, check "Mass suicide in Demmin" and continue...

I went to school in Yugoslavia so none of this couldn't be heard (just like in eastern Germany). Only in highschool (after Yugoslavia felt apart) I learned about crimes Russians did... It was strange since, only thing we learned before was black/white version - only Germans did fault things.

After few years, when I learned about condition in other eastern countries I felt lucky Yugoslavia refused Russia early after WW2. But still, as any other nondemocratic, socialist, communst country we had enough of our problems which escalated in 1990s and our wars...

[Sweersa]

3 minutes ago, -Jaro- said:

And for those wondering about Red Army crimes, check "Mass suicide in Demmin" and continue...

I went to school in Yugoslavia so none of this couldn't be heard (just like in eastern Germany). Only in highschool (after Yugoslavia felt apart) I learned about crimes Russians did... It was strange since, only thing we learned before was black/white version - only Germans did fault things.

After few years, when I learned about condition in other eastern countries I felt lucky Yugoslavia refused Russia early after WW2. But still, as any other nondemocratic, socialist, communst country we had enough of our problems which escalated in 1990s and our wars...

I have a Yugoslavian flag on display in my basement, along with a number of Yugoslavian AKs. (Zastava M70) I have seen some videos about what happened there, and met some Bosnians and Serbians who spoke of it as well. Terrible things. I'm glad you made it through that. 

I always appreciated how beefed up the Yugoslavian AKs were. They made them to withstand the recoil from launching rifle grenades, so they are heavier and built more solid than most other AKs out there. After my first one, all subsequent AK purchases have been Yugoslavian or Serbian (the newer ones)

I happen to have a few Croatian made magazines as well. 

[-Jaro-]

6 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

I have a Yugoslavian flag on display in my basement, along with a number of Yugoslavian AKs. (Zastava M70) I have seen some videos about what happened there, and met some Bosnians and Serbians who spoke of it as well. Terrible things. I'm glad you made it through that. 

I always appreciated how beefed up the Yugoslavian AKs were. They made them to withstand the recoil from launching rifle grenades, so they are heavier and built more solid than most other AKs out there. After my first one, all subsequent AK purchases have been Yugoslavian or Serbian (the newer ones)

I happen to have a few Croatian made magazines as well. 

Yep, we are obviously good in making weapons... At least small one...

And images from Mariupol remind me of Vukovar during Croatian independence war. In the end, there was no building left standing. Many civilans, wounded from hospital ended in mass graves assembled during occupation. All done under Yugoslav flag and red star - so those 2 things are not so popular in Croatia...

 

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

Another speech by Biden. More sanctions. Going after Putin's wife and daughters' money now. don't you think they have hidden their shit by now?

The Nato rep said, Putin won't give up until he captures the capital of Ukraine.

Wish they would tell us something we don't know.

Also how many times does the news have to show the dead bodies. It's so damn sad and makes me angry especially that no one can seem to stop the horror that Putin and the Russian soldiers are doing to the people of Ukraine.

Going into the homes and killing anyone who lives there. Sounds so familiar like maybe back in the 1940's in Germany and Poland and Italy and France looking for Jews and Christains.

My question is since nothing Biden and Nato does stops Putin what will they do once he takes over Ukraine's capital and kills President Z. Condemn him more with bad names? This is just too damn stupid and the longer nothing is done to stop that bastard, the more the people die and suffer and inflation goes up. Before long the only people who will survive are the rich.

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

10 minutes ago, -Jaro- said:

Yep, we are obviously good in making weapons... At least small one...

And images from Mariupol remind me of Vukovar during Croatian independence war. In the end, there was no building left standing. Many civilans, wounded from hospital ended in mass graves assembled during occupation. All done under Yugoslav flag and red star - so those 2 things are not so popular in Croatia...

 

I know it looks like a ghost town and images of the dead in the streets and flowers and pictures placed where the dead where. The dead being buried in the yards.  It boogles the mind how this is happening and Putin and the Russians are getting away with it. No amount of sanctions are helping the Ukraine people. The whole country will be demolished by the time Putin takes the capital which he will one day soon. And what kills me is Nato knows this and still does nothing HUGE to stop it.

[Sweersa]

8 minutes ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

My question is since nothing Biden and Nato does stops Putin what will they do once he takes over Ukraine's capital and kills President Z. Condemn him more with bad names? This is just too damn stupid and the longer nothing is done to stop that bastard, the more the people die and suffer and inflation goes up. Before long the only people who will survive are the rich.

They will probably send him letters telling him how bad he is, and if he doesn't stop, they will send him more letters of the same. (I stole that from a movie making fun of the UN)

[Blackstar]

12 minutes ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

I know it looks like a ghost town and images of the dead in the streets and flowers and pictures placed where the dead where. The dead being buried in the yards.  It boogles the mind how this is happening and Putin and the Russians are getting away with it. No amount of sanctions are helping the Ukraine people. The whole country will be demolished by the time Putin takes the capital which he will one day soon. And what kills me is Nato knows this and still does nothing HUGE to stop it.

And what exactly do you think NATO should do?

[-Jaro-]

12 minutes ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

I know it looks like a ghost town and images of the dead in the streets and flowers and pictures placed where the dead where. The dead being buried in the yards.  It boogles the mind how this is happening and Putin and the Russians are getting away with it. No amount of sanctions are helping the Ukraine people. The whole country will be demolished by the time Putin takes the capital which he will one day soon. And what kills me is Nato knows this and still does nothing HUGE to stop it.

At this point it is nit likely it will go that way. Capital is no longer at reach, and Russia needs to concetrate at their minimum goal - eastern front - to try and conquer complete Donbas and Luhansk oblasts... Ukraine is large country, with 45 mil people. Also, they have war experience and many veterans activated. Also, they have help from west in inteligence and weapon. Russia cannot aford to send everything they have in Ukraine since they already have some hostile/semi hostile parts of federation to keep calm under soldiers boots. I guess that long and hard battle is comin in east in next days, since Ukraine now have selfconfidence and support from west and probably won't quit easily... 

[SoulMonster]

Bombing of Dresden and other German cities of little military value.

That's the thing with wars, it might start off with only good guys on one side and only bad guys on the other, but in the end the darkness has rubbed off on the good guys, stained them a bit, made things a bit more blurry. Wars do that to people, they make good guys do bad stuff. And that's an inherent evil in wars.

On that note, I am currently reading about the revolt in India in the 19th century and in particular the siege of Delhi. The sepoys revolted, they started the violence and did gruesome things, but very quickly the Brits were equally bad., horrendously gruesome. Again, that's what wars do, desensitize and dehumanize and brutalize.

Btw, as Russell said, wars do not determine who is right, only who is left.

[Sweersa]

6 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

That's the thing with wars, it might start off with only good guys on one side and only bad guys on the other, but in the end the darkness has rubbed off on the good guys, stained them a bit, made things a bit more blurry. Wars do that to people, they make good guys do bad stuff. And that's an inherent evil in wars.

I couldn't have said it better. Like the old saying goes, war is hell.

[Blackstar]

[downzy]

23 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Bombing of Dresden and other German cities of little military value.

That's the thing with wars, it might start off with only good guys on one side and only bad guys on the other, but in the end the darkness has rubbed off on the good guys, stained them a bit, made things a bit more blurry. Wars do that to people, they make good guys do bad stuff. And that's an inherent evil in wars.

On that note, I am currently reading about the revolt in India in the 19th century and in particular the siege of Delhi. The sepoys revolted, they started the violence and did gruesome things, but very quickly the Brits were equally bad., horrendously gruesome. Again, that's what wars do, desensitize and dehumanize and brutalize.

Next have a look at Churchill's policies with respect to India in the 1940s.  There were alternatives to importing rice from India but Churchill's wartime cabinet ignored the warnings, leading to 3 million people dying of starvation.  Churchill blamed the famine on Indians "breeding like rabbits."  Britain withheld supplies to the region out of fear that Japan might take it over, despite the fact that Japan was starting to buckle from America's response.

[Blackstar]

 

[-Jaro-]

Krematorsk train station was bombed at moment when thousands civilians tried to evacuate. At least 30 dead and over 100 wounded. Numbers are probably larger. Saw short graphic video. Ukrainian sources say that cluster bombs were used...

 

Edit: just saw few more photographs and videos...

Sad and angy at same time... Also I hope will not meet any Putin/Russian apologist or fan today (there are many online, but here in Croatia, there are many among us - funny, almost same people with antiwaxx agenda)...

 

Edit2. On missle was written "for children" in russin... 

To hell with this world where noone will stop this madness because of fear of "what might they do to us if we try smth"

 

 

Edited April 8, 2022 by -Jaro-

[zombux]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-bombs-fleeing-families-at-kramatorsk-train-station

Shortly after soldiers were celebrating the carnage on Telegram, state media “corrected” them and blamed Ukraine for the attack on evacuating civilians.

fuck that lying ruzzian scum again.

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

Wow! Russian forces blew up a train station and killed many innocent people. 

As this war gets worse, Nato and Biden just talk.

What President Z needs is weapons that can reach Moscow!. Then maybe Putin will consider leaving Ukraine.

This just gets worse day by day and more lives are lost and Ukraine will be nothing but rubble. It won't be a place where anyone can live anymore and take years and years to re-build.

 

[downzy]

17 minutes ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

What President Z needs is weapons that can reach Moscow!. Then maybe Putin will consider leaving Ukraine.

That would ensure a nuclear response. 

So, not great.

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

Well, tonight news reporters talked to women who have been raped by Russian soldiers.

i can't stand hearing this when it seems nothing can be done to stop this shit.

Same when the Russians rescued women from concentration camps after WWII. They were horrible to the people and raped the women too.  Some women died from this due to their already horrible health conditions. Seems some Russian bastards haven't changed the horrors they do during and after war.

Now if/when I hear any Russian soldiers are killed, I will hope it's a rapist getting what he deserves.

Putin's ratings have gone up in Russia. Seems his people are agreeing with the war. Same as the Germans did during WWII. Some shit never changes.

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

3 hours ago, downzy said:

That would ensure a nuclear response. 

So, not great.

so I guess the world just watches what horrors Putin and his army are doing to the Ukraine people and we sit here and do nothing.

Sounds like Putin can do whatever the fuck he wants and knows nothing can be done to him.  This sucks. Sanctions mean nothing to Putin. He's planned this out and knew what to do with his assests. Meanwhile, Ukraines get raped, and killed by missiles that are purposely killing innocents trying to flee their home. Nothing will ever be the same for them.

[downzy]

13 minutes ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

so I guess the world just watches what horrors Putin and his army are doing to the Ukraine people and we sit here and do nothing.

Not sure if you’re paying attention but the world is not doing nothing…

Between the sanctions and the amount of lethal and non-lethal aid the west has provided to help Ukraine, a lot of support has been provided.

It’s a tragic situation, but one that is currently limited to Ukraine. Providing arms to Ukraine that could be used to target Moscow is a sure-fire way to increase the size of the battlefield, bringing about further death and destruction. 

[ZoSoRose]

Ukraine literally drove Russia out of the North because of the west lol

[downzy]

16 minutes ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

Sounds like Putin can do whatever the fuck he wants and knows nothing can be done to him.  This sucks.

Yes, it does suck. But do you want to risk a nuclear confrontation over Ukraine?  Especially now as many parts of Ukraine are being liberated due to Russia’s military ineptitude? 

And while nothing can be done to Putin per se, he’s now essentially rendered himself a prisoner in his own country for the foreseeable future. His country’s economy is getting trounced. His reputation as a master statesman and a shrewd operator in power politics has been utterly rejected.  Who is to say what happens to Putin himself, but his country as a whole will be paying the price for years/decades to come if they make no effort to change course. 

20 minutes ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

Sanctions mean nothing to Putin. He's planned this out and knew what to do with his assests.

No he hasn’t. He assumed he would take the country in a week and that the international response would be similar to what it was in 2014.  He miscalculated as badly as his generals did in terms of the resistance they would see in Ukraine.