What happened to Slash's guitar playing?

[Beto 22]

10 hours ago, Free Bird said:

 But I think it's more than that for some of you. You were waiting for bad performance

I dont need to wait. They'll come. At least since early 2000

10 hours ago, Free Bird said:

You're saying the NITL tour would have been as successful as it was without Slash?

It wouldnt be..  But it has nothing to do with musicality

[Rovim]

17 minutes ago, Beto 22 said:

It wouldnt be..  But it has nothing to do with musicality

it has something to do with it cause Slash's sound is a big part of the Gn'R sound. He still got a unique character to his playing which many fans associate with the complete experience of attending a show, it's not just his name/image that is financially valuable imo.

 

Edited June 28, 2022 by Rovim

[Beto 22]

44 minutes ago, Rovim said:

it has something to do with it cause Slash's sound is a big part of the Gn'R sound. He still got a unique character to his playing which many fans associate with the complete experience of attending a show, it's not just his name/image that is financially valuable imo.

 

As we can see in the last years... It totally makes sense now

 

And yes its because his image/name

 

Edited June 28, 2022 by Beto 22

[darkside259]

11 hours ago, Free Bird said:

You're saying the NITL tour would have been as successful as it was without Slash?

no, with slashn duff the thing went huge worlwide but in latan they could fill stadiums with axl alone and maybe in other countrys to maybe asia or some parts of europe, the thing is axl is a phenomenom here like the simpsons, i don t know hot to explain it lol 

[Free Bird]

57 minutes ago, darkside259 said:

no, with slashn duff the thing went huge worlwide but in latan they could fill stadiums with axl alone and maybe in other countrys to maybe asia or some parts of europe, the thing is axl is a phenomenom here like the simpsons, i don t know hot to explain it lol 

Well, what they could do and what they did is not the same. They played Casinos in Las Vegas. And even if they could fill a stadium in SA, in the rest of the world the venues became smaller and smaller. Look, Slash couldn't fill stadiums on his own. Axl played Casinos in the US and arenas in Europe and the rest of the world... so did Slash. They need each other for filling stadiums around the world. Therefore saying this:

Sorry to disapoint you, but GNR from 2016 to these days isnt much different than "Axl's project"

Is simply not true. It's totally different. 

[darkside259]

10 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

Well, what they could do and what they did is not the same. They played Casinos in Las Vegas. And even if they could fill a stadium in SA, in the rest of the world the venues became smaller and smaller. Look, Slash couldn't fill stadiums on his own. Axl played Casinos in the US and arenas in Europe and the rest of the world... so did Slash. They need each other for filling stadiums around the world. Therefore saying this:

Sorry to disapoint you, but GNR from 2016 to these days isnt much different than "Axl's project"

Is simply not true. It's totally different. 

the thing is the bands nowdays make money touring and selling disc, even streming is not enough bc there is not the amount of money anymore in music industry like the old days back in 90s or even 00s,

so they need to tour endlessly to mantein the rock n roll money status, i think they do a big gross money with the nitlt but back in 00s axl was in money trouble and the rumor that his comeback was bc of this after 2008 he start to make money again and he fill stadiums for a long time with no slash help, bc gnr was still a relevant band, but now is more like a cultural band lol like a history act, they r guns n roses is like seeing sinatra in the 80s 

Edited June 28, 2022 by darkside259

[shootingstar]

Listen to scom from 2010 Dublin, just as an example. 1444 wievs only. Its fucking annoying, but the better voice Axl has, the fewer wievs. Statically, that means public opinion and objective truth is far, very far, apart.

[metalavenger99]

It was pretty fucking amazing tho when he basically learned and played the entire Buckethead TWAT solo, but it's been years and.... 

Edit: (probably someone has pointed that out on this thread before)

Edited June 28, 2022 by metalavenger99

[Tom2112]

12 hours ago, thunderram said:

 

This is about as ignorant and nonsensical a response as you could have come up with. Well done.

This thread should be re-titled to "What happened to GN'R fans?" with a mock list of all the ridiculous things you entitled anti-fanboys come up with. Crafting your own false narratives should be near the top of the list.

I seriously can't fathom frequenting a website devoted to something I'm not a big fan of. Some of you clearly have pathetic lives to waste so much time here shitting on the band and it's members ad nauseam.

I know, I know -- you probably love this place because of the wonderful people you've met here, right? I've heard that one many times over the years. Frequenting a website devoted to something you're not a big fan of in order to make Internet friends is even more pathetic.

I have seen this exact thinking in relation to Slash. 

The fandom is crazy! 

[Free Bird]

7 hours ago, shootingstar said:

Listen to scom from 2010 Dublin, just as an example. 1444 wievs only. Its fucking annoying, but the better voice Axl has, the fewer wievs. Statically, that means public opinion and objective truth is far, very far, apart.

Or it simply means that nobody cared for this incarnation of the band. If you wanna see some videos with great Axl voice and a lot of views, go visit some videos of the 80's and early 90's. It's easy as that.

Edited June 29, 2022 by Free Bird

[Beto 22]

8 hours ago, Free Bird said:

Or it simply means that nobody cared for this incarnation of the band. If you wanna see some videos with great Axl voice and a lot of views, go visit some videos of the 80's and early 90's. It's easy as that.

You can say the same about this incarnation of the band.

As much for Axl vocale as for Slash guitar playing

[Free Bird]

44 minutes ago, Beto 22 said:

You can say the same about this incarnation of the band.

As much for Axl vocale as for Slash guitar playing

Tell that to the half billion of people who went to see them for the NITL 

Stadiums still packed in 2022. Seriously, you're delusional if you think you have a point. It doesn't make sense to discuss with you guys. 

[Sosso]

2 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

Tell that to the half billion of people who went to see them for the NITL 

Stadiums still packed in 2022. Seriously, you're delusional if you think you have a point. It doesn't make sense to discuss with you guys. 

Most of those fans are there because of GnR's history and not because of their actual live performances. 

There are other bands from L.A. who deserve this kind of fame much more. 

Tracii Guns is a much better guitarist than Slash nowadays but he has to play small festivals and club Shows. 

[Rovim]

12 minutes ago, Sosso said:

Most of those fans are there because of GnR's history and not because of their actual live performances. 

There are other bands from L.A. who deserve this kind of fame much more. 

Tracii Guns is a much better guitarist than Slash nowadays but he has to play small festivals and club Shows. 

but the music is a part of the history and most concert goers want 2 things: to hear the hits and to witness Axl and Slash performing the hits.

success in music, like in other professions is a tough goal to reach and you need a bunch of shit to go right in order to achieve it so factors other than talent can sometimes be even more important and lead to success or fuck everything up. like Tracii's unwillingness to join the hell tour when it was time to see which band members were right for Gn'R.

just my taste, but I could never get into Tracii's style of playing. It's very different to Slash's which I find infinitely more interesting.

[jacdaniel]

Rewriting history is silly. The main reason for the reunion is that Nu Guns were no longer selling and members wanted to leave.

With Slash and Duff back they've been selling big stadiums out for several years now.  Nu Guns were nowhere close to selling those kind of shows. 

 

For the record, Slash was amazing last night. Nailed solo after solo and nobody had a negative thing to say about him.

[Beto 22]

21 minutes ago, Sosso said:

Most of those fans are there because of GnR's history and not because of their actual live performances. 

 

That's exactly what he was talkin about. Musicality.

 

But suddenly it chamged to popularity.

 

And just to be clear... It wasnt half billion people. It was half billion dollars.

And both has nothing to do with Axl vocal shape or Slash current guitar playin

[Free Bird]

24 minutes ago, jacdaniel said:

Rewriting history is silly. The main reason for the reunion is that Nu Guns were no longer selling and members wanted to leave.

With Slash and Duff back they've been selling big stadiums out for several years now.  Nu Guns were nowhere close to selling those kind of shows. 

 

For the record, Slash was amazing last night. Nailed solo after solo and nobody had a negative thing to say about him.

You shouldn't say that. 4 and a half people on this forum won't agree with you.

They will use any excuse why people still going to concerts and why same people leave happy. They'll point out anything they can that fits their agenda, even if it's made up, and ignore everything that proofs the opposite. 

[Nintari]

On 6/28/2022 at 2:20 AM, Free Bird said:

That's probably the best decision...

It's definitely had an impact on the bannings lol.

Edited June 29, 2022 by Nintari

[axl666]

On 6/28/2022 at 5:37 PM, Free Bird said:

Well, what they could do and what they did is not the same. They played Casinos in Las Vegas. And even if they could fill a stadium in SA, in the rest of the world the venues became smaller and smaller. Look, Slash couldn't fill stadiums on his own. Axl played Casinos in the US and arenas in Europe and the rest of the world... so did Slash. They need each other for filling stadiums around the world. Therefore saying this:

Sorry to disapoint you, but GNR from 2016 to these days isnt much different than "Axl's project"

Is simply not true. It's totally different. 

I think that this is really underselling the Appetite for Democracy tour. The 'Casino' that they played has a 4.5k capacity. In addition, they played there like 13 nights, so to something like 50k people. Bands like Aeromsmith have done las vegas residencies, so have sting, katy perry, adele etc.

In addition they used the residency to make a live album and record a bluray.

I think that it would also have been attractive to Axl to play for so long so close to his home; and he's also have been pretty happy in Las Vegas. If I had to guess I'd say they earned a lot of money from this residency.

[Free Bird]

6 hours ago, axl666 said:

I think that this is really underselling the Appetite for Democracy tour. The 'Casino' that they played has a 4.5k capacity. In addition, they played there like 13 nights, so to something like 50k people. Bands like Aeromsmith have done las vegas residencies, so have sting, katy perry, adele etc.

In addition they used the residency to make a live album and record a bluray.

I think that it would also have been attractive to Axl to play for so long so close to his home; and he's also have been pretty happy in Las Vegas. If I had to guess I'd say they earned a lot of money from this residency.

That seems fair. It's still undeniable that the venues became smaller and smaller. Right?

[Tom2112]

10 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

That seems fair. It's still undeniable that the venues became smaller and smaller. Right?

True the venues in the US were getting smaller.... however a lot of bands at that time were having trouble selling tickets in the US. Gnr as it was, was never going to play stadiums In America or the majority of the rest of the world. I will say that what Slash was doing business wise was similar in 2014 to gnr, but he was still only filling those arenas at half capacity in Europe a lot of the time. Gnr were still capable of playing London and selling out, they also would have been the headliner if they were playing a festival. Slash was doing very well though, I'm not downplaying it. And obviously gnr had sold less tickets on their 2012 EU tour after the bad headlines from Rio and late starts etc. So I'm not saying everywhere but the US was a resounding success.

No question they are much, much bigger and popular since 2016. And the reviews are more positive now that they don't go on late etc and they have more familiar faces.

Still doesn't change my mind that the best show I saw was in 2006. Also I think it's worth noting that gnr played to 80k last time they played Ireland and this time they probably played to 35k IF it sold out?? There is a noticeable drop off there. Good crowd but it's a downgrade.

[Free Bird]

3 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

True the venues in the US were getting smaller.... however a lot of bands at that time were having trouble selling tickets in the US. Gnr as it was, was never going to play stadiums In America or the majority of the rest of the world. I will say that what Slash was doing business wise was similar in 2014 to gnr, but he was still only filling those arenas at half capacity in Europe a lot of the time. Gnr were still capable of playing London and selling out, they also would have been the headliner if they were playing a festival. Slash was doing very well though, I'm not downplaying it. And obviously gnr had sold less tickets on their 2012 EU tour after the bad headlines from Rio and late starts etc. So I'm not saying everywhere but the US was a resounding success.

No question they are much, much bigger and popular since 2016. And the reviews are more positive now that they don't go on late etc and they have more familiar faces.

Still doesn't change my mind that the best show I saw was in 2006. Also I think it's worth noting that gnr played to 80k last time they played Ireland and this time they probably played to 35k IF it sold out?? There is a noticeable drop off there. Good crowd but it's a downgrade.

Yeah why not. If you liked it you liked it. I can only speak for me that I'm not a fan. I haven't seen them live in 2006 though, just videos.

The 2010 show I saw was ok but I definitely prefer the reunion shows. 

Of course GNR draw more people than Slash. I don't think anybody's denying that. Slash filled as well some arenas in Europe but all in all there was a bigger demand for GNR.

BUT...

Slash didn't booked only arenas, he also booked clubs in '12 and '14, therefore, IIRC he managed not to play in front of half empty venues most of the time. I really don't know if GNR had issues filling the big arenas.

 

[axl666]

5 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

True the venues in the US were getting smaller.... however a lot of bands at that time were having trouble selling tickets in the US. Gnr as it was, was never going to play stadiums In America or the majority of the rest of the world. I will say that what Slash was doing business wise was similar in 2014 to gnr, but he was still only filling those arenas at half capacity in Europe a lot of the time. Gnr were still capable of playing London and selling out, they also would have been the headliner if they were playing a festival. Slash was doing very well though, I'm not downplaying it. And obviously gnr had sold less tickets on their 2012 EU tour after the bad headlines from Rio and late starts etc. So I'm not saying everywhere but the US was a resounding success.

No question they are much, much bigger and popular since 2016. And the reviews are more positive now that they don't go on late etc and they have more familiar faces.

Still doesn't change my mind that the best show I saw was in 2006. Also I think it's worth noting that gnr played to 80k last time they played Ireland and this time they probably played to 35k IF it sold out?? There is a noticeable drop off there. Good crowd but it's a downgrade.

The only thing there is that I think people will go to Slane as much as to see the band that's playing. Also I think the Slane concert was pitched as the reunion/comeback tour so had a lot of excitement. Metallica had similar numbers to gNR at Slane but if they were playing a non-Slane venue in Ireland I don't think they'd be selling anywhere near these numbers. Not sure how many were at Marlay Park but has a max. capacity of 40-45k as far as I know.

Free Bird is right about the dynamic numbers attending. In Ireland GNR played in 2006 to about 35k. Then to 13k in an arena a few years later. After Axl walked off at that concert, the next time they played was to about 6k in the same arena venue (they'd burned a lot of good will). The Slane gig to the reunited GNR was to about 80k and then to about 35-40k in Marlay Park. 

[Voodoochild]

So the whole thing is: I love Slash, if you see my YouTube channel is 90% of Slash covers. But I can't criticize the guy in a single thread, for one particular reason that wasn't even really a complain, but the assumption that he could do it properly (meaning in the sense of the arrangement and tempo of the song) and much better (and he in fact improved the SOD solo, although I still think ). And because I am on the minority, I can't voice this opinion either, because look at how bad Axl is.

Yeah, there's other users here going a bit too far from the original thread, but man, my honest and surely biased opinion (because that's what opinions are, right?) is that Slash in GNR lacks the same energy he has with SMKC. And sometimes that shows with literally uninspired improvisations, especially on top of the songs he didn't write.

[SoulMonster]

Yeah, Slash is and will forever be my favorite guitarist. Nothing can touch what he did on Appetite. But he is not as good today as back then and with Guns N' Roses it is like he doesn't care that much.