ZODIAC Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 I'm really confident that at least us, the die hard fans, won't be disappointed from The General. Would make sense to me, to build up hype with Perhaps in advance (and it worked very well!) and then finally unleash the beast... Wishfull thinking, I know. But now I believe even more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, ZODIAC said: I'm really confident that at least us, the die hard fans, won't be disappointed from The General. Would make sense to me, to build up hype with Perhaps in advance (and it worked very well!) and then finally unleash the beast... Wishfull thinking, I know. But now I believe even more! I agree. This one time I'll trust FN'ando and believe it actually might be a "monster". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post colonizedmind Posted August 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2023 Guys I just dug out one of my Dad's old classical 7" and the B side played for 7mins 15 seconds I timed it. If the vinyl is 33rpm it can hold 7 mins ish...so it could still be a sort of There Was A Time length ish and that be pretty Epic....it has time for a long intro, numerous verses and a long ass solo and coda, so .. Or it could be around 5 minutes which can feel long, If the song is a slow grinding screaming tune. I want the next Coma as much as the next dude but a great song is more important than length, let's hope for that first and foremost...agreed? 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngunner Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 6 hours ago, rumandraisin said: It's not. I'm so confused why this is still ongoing. From the cell phone clip you can hear it's different. You can hear the strings. You can hear Axls vocals. There's a part in the chorus of State of Grace that sounds similar granted. Brain came up with The General a couple of years after State of Grace. End of. 2006. 2002 had the Exorcist intro instead. Pretty sure 2002 had the intro as well. The only time I remember hearing the Exorcist intro was in the Vegas and Rio 3 shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumandraisin Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 15 minutes ago, youngunner said: Pretty sure 2002 had the intro as well. The only time I remember hearing the Exorcist intro was in the Vegas and Rio 3 shows. Nah, not used until 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistoflemon21 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 I just noticed that side one is called G and side two is called R. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb91 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, twistoflemon21 said: I just noticed that side one is called G and side two is called R. I misread it as C in the picture. I figured they were going with the Hard Skool release being sides A and B. This is the most excited I’ve been for a release in a long time. Can’t wait to see what Slash does with it - dude turned Silkworms into a song I actually like due to his lead work so something with a great base already should be even better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandOla Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Sooo it's State of grace, weird, but I'll take it 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jekylhyde Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 41 minutes ago, colonizedmind said: Guys I just dug out one of my Dad's old classical 7" and the B side played for 7mins 15 seconds I timed it. If the vinyl is 33rpm it can hold 7 mins ish...so it could still be a sort of There Was A Time length ish and that be pretty Epic....it has time for a long intro, numerous verses and a long ass solo and coda, so .. Or it could be around 5 minutes which can feel long, If the song is a slow grinding screaming tune. I want the next Coma as much as the next dude but a great song is more important than length, let's hope for that first and foremost...agreed? I think 5 or 5:30 minutes could be a perfect length. It obviously depends on the song itself, but you can do a lot in 5 minutes. I'd rather have a tight song that leaves you wanting more, than a song that overstays its' welcome. Not that that has ever been an issue with GnR's epics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb91 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 I always think Madagascar’s longer than it is due to its epic nature so I won’t mind if The General‘s the same length. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAC Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, LandOla said: Sooo it's State of grace, weird, but I'll take it As @SoulMonsterpointed out very well, it's quite unlikely that SOG has become The General. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jw224 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Ended up ordering the single. First time I've given the band money since I bought CD lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F*ck Fear Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 I hope 'The General' is not 'State of Grace'. As much as I liked the latter, I would love 'The General' to be completely unheard due to leaks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jw224 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 The General definitely isn't State of Grace imo. The leaked audio sounds nothing like it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb91 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Jw224 said: The General definitely isn't State of Grace imo. The leaked audio sounds nothing like it. Yeah - sounds completely different - has it ever been confirmed if it’s Bucket or Finck (or both?) doing the lead stuff in the clip? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cantona Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 State of Grace and The General are not the same song, and I don't understand where this came from Based upon the clips of The General from the afterparty and the State of Grace leak, you have to be reaching far to tie these together. The motifs/riffs are similar, but they are not close to being the same. They're played in different keys, they have different structures and feature no resemblance to eachother except the motifs/riffs with the b5. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebeldhipi Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 7 hours ago, History2010 said: It's possible but the timeline is extremely tight. We know The General was started from a sample by Brain. Brain joined GN'R in March 2000. State of Grace is dated March 27th, 2000 making it extremely likely that State of Grace pre-dates Brain joining GN'R and is therefore not The General. Based on all the dates on the CDs, it appears that Brain didn't really start working in the studio until Fall 2000. Josh left in March 2000, i think Brain joined in the Summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 hour ago, colonizedmind said: Guys I just dug out one of my Dad's old classical 7" and the B side played for 7mins 15 seconds I timed it. If the vinyl is 33rpm it can hold 7 mins ish...so it could still be a sort of There Was A Time length ish and that be pretty Epic....it has time for a long intro, numerous verses and a long ass solo and coda, so .. Or it could be around 5 minutes which can feel long, If the song is a slow grinding screaming tune. I want the next Coma as much as the next dude but a great song is more important than length, let's hope for that first and foremost...agreed? Yeah if you cut it at a different speed you can do that. I don't think they will do that though as it's increasingly rare for that to happen with 7 inch now. The other issue is that the more you put it on, the more the sound quality is compromised. Both of these are reasons I want this single on fucking CD! Still got my fingers crossed and not ordered the vinyl yet in the hope that it's coming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Its Tino Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 27 minutes ago, kruelty said: State of Grace and The General are not the same song, and I don't understand where this came from Based upon the clips of The General from the afterparty and the State of Grace leak, you have to be reaching far to tie these together. The motifs/riffs are similar, but they are not close to being the same. They're played in different keys, they have different structures and feature no resemblance to eachother except the motifs/riffs with the b5. Yeah but look at the Shanklers/shacklers makeover. But I agree I don’t think SOG is The General either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Okay, let's me try to summarize the arguments for State of Grace being the same song as The General. Brain joined GN'R at the earliest in April or May 2000. We can be quite sure of this because he said that he was touring in Australia with Primus when the call from Buckethead came to come and audition for GN'R [Vic Firth Spotlight, May 2006]. This fits nicely with Josh having left the band in February/March 2000 [Allstarmag, March 14, 2000]. Primus toured Australia from April 6 to April 23 [setlist.fm]. Then he might have left the tour to travel and audition (similar to what Richard did), or he could have waited till it was over and they were back in California in late April. Regardless, this places his first audition with the band to some time in April. Then he said it took a while before they contacted him again and gave him the spot [Modern Drummer, May 2000], actually he said it took three months before he finally gave in and joined [I'd Hit That Podcast, March 3, 2015]. This means he actually first joined closer to mid-summer of 2000. State of Grace existed as a more-or-less finished song by March 27, 2000. We know this because that's the (presumed) mixing date it has one Rough Mixes CD #3. Then there are a few things that suggest that Brain wrote The General. I think he says as much in an interview with either Appetite for Distortion or GN'R Central (yet to be transcribed) where he talks about the track getting them name from Buckethead eating General Tsao's chicken at the time, or something like that. Furthermore, in another interview he was asked if he had written the song, and he didn't deny it, but would refer to it as a "jam" [GNR-Online BR, July 18, 2010]. I wouldn't refer to State of Grace as a "jam". Is it possible that Brain worked on State of Grace? Yes, but I find it hard to think it was changed so much that Brain would take credit for having written it. And why would they rename it to The General when it already had lyrics? It doesn't make sense. Maybe Axl decided that the song would be used for spare parts, the lyrics were thrown away, the chassis or some other part was given to Bucket and Brain who made it into a new track which they named The General. Sounds very far-fetched to me. Then we have known that parts of The General, likely the introduction, has been played at live shows an an intro to Chinese Democracy [Guns N' Roses twitter account, December 11, 2010]. State of Grace doesn't have any orchestration and it doesn't sound like it was missing any. Furthermore, we have the audio recording from the part where The General was allegedly played. I don't know, there seems to be different opinion on whether it can be the same song, personally I can barely hear anything and then I think I am already in the territory where I can't say anything for sure. So make up your own mind, but to me it seems highly unlikely they are the same songs. Btw, that Brain joined lately fits nicely with the work documented on the Village leaks. Those tracks mixed in March 2000 (Atlas Shrugged, Perhaps, Prostitute, Catcher, Quicksong, State of Grace, Oklahoma, I.R.S., Me & My Elvis, D Tune, Curly Shuffle, etc) must contain Josh on drums. While songs like Sorry, Real doll.com, and Shankler's, which we believe are collabs between Brain and Bucket, were mixed in September and August 2000 (and there is also material there which is specifically stated is Brain from 2001). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jafeijo Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 2 hours ago, ZODIAC said: I'm really confident that at least us, the die hard fans, won't be disappointed from The General. My only fear is: why such an epic, really good song would be reducted to a b-side of a single? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebeldhipi Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 I agree with SoulMonster. Its possible that Axl recycled some State Of Grace lyrics for the General. Hence the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSA_95 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 On 8/18/2023 at 9:57 AM, inho said: I just want to remind everyone how important it is to occasionally reflect and be thankful… it wasn’t that long ago that axl duff and slash weren’t on speaking terms and now we see them on stage rocking like fuck for three hour shows… it’s wasn’t too long ago that they had that mad fella with the chickens shitting all over the studio and a box in his head. now we have actual new songs and official videos …. free at last free at last…. That mad fella wrote some of the best musical parts GN'R ever did/released imo. I'm really grateful for his contributions to CD, it wouldn't be the same. And he was definitely not the one to blame for the lack of music. His solo career is a good example 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 We’ve heard The General (sort of). It’s not SoG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonizedmind Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 14 minutes ago, jafeijo said: My only fear is: why such an epic, really good song would be reducted to a b-side of a single? It's more like a double A....even if they don't label like that.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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