Karice Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) So, in 1988, Axl says something like,"If certain people don't stop dancing with Mr. Brownstone, this will be the last Guns N'Roses Show ever." Axl was fed up with his Bandmates using Heroin and was seriously thinking of leaving Guns N'Roses if they didn't stop doing Heroin. Slash, Duff, Izzy stopped but Steven was far too addicted to stop and was fired. I wonder what would have happened if Axl did leave Guns N'Roses and the Band became just Guns and the Lead Singers became Izzy and Duff. 🤔 Edited February 13 by Karice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 hours ago, Karice said: and the Band became just Guns 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EvH Posted February 13 Popular Post Share Posted February 13 (edited) We would be spared these posts of yours. Edited February 13 by EvH 6 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacdaniel Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 They wouldn’t have been successful without Axl, just as they weren’t without Slash. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyIce3924 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 See Velvet Revolver… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnrs1972 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 We would have to find someone else to make fun of. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNfr Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 6 hours ago, Karice said: What would have happened if Axl ever left Guns N'Roses? 9 very average studio albums 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
©GnrPersia Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, DeNfr said: 9 very average studio albums 9 instead of 4 average ones after the AFD 😆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluegrassBlues Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Nothing good, imo. I am sure the rest of the guys would have turned out some average, good enough songs and with Axl I doubt he would still be here, that band seemed like it was everything to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draguns Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Why is this even a question? We saw what can happen without Axl nor Slash in the band. Slash, Duff, and Matt formed VR, which was an initial success and then floundered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsnchalupas Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 If Axl left Guns N' Roses in 1988, there is a small chance that he would have become bigger than the band because he had November Rain in his back pocket. If he got Don't Cry from Izzy, that seals the deal. If Axl releases November Rain and Don't Cry as a solo act, then the "Axl Rose" brand becomes bigger than the GNR brand, and he gets the label support going forward to do the CD sessions and so on. Had he left the band after UYI, he would have failed because the general public does not care about solo acts until they have a legitimate hit, and the labels don't give solo acts the same level of support that they give to the name brand bands that they come from. If GNR burned all his good material, he clearly wasn't going to write or record anything else. If you look at CD, he was afforded a budget and time frame that allowed him to hire a bunch of strong studio musicians like Freese, Stinson, and Finck. The way the core of the songs which were done in 1999 were created would not have been possible as a solo artist. He would not have received the budget or patience from the label. Which means he would be stuck either recruiting a band and recording more organically, or he would spin his wheels until the cash ran out and a reunion seemed like a good idea. I am not saying that the CD sessions didn't produce anything good. Only that if it took that much label support, and how much jamming and instrumentals were required to create even the dozen or so songs that were pegged for the 1999 album, Axl was unlikely to produce anything at all organically on his own with Paul Tobias and whoever else wanted to take a chance to be in Axl's new band without a major salary provided by the label. If Slash and co. had the name and Axl was out, Axl is never getting back into the band unless whatever new frontman they recruit fails commercially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsnchalupas Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 14 hours ago, jacdaniel said: They wouldn’t have been successful without Axl, just as they weren’t without Slash. I don't know how you can say this given how successful Contraband was. It comes down to who they choose for a frontman and Slash's willingness to do ballads or softer songs. The songs for the chicks were always their biggest songs, even Fall To Pieces somewhat fits that mould. If they found an Axl or Weilland tier frontman, they would have been successful. They may have had a lull in the mid or late 90s because they were completely out-of-fashion, which only seemed to be understood by Axl who seemed to want evolve the direction of the band to something that would have been more contemporary at the time. Everything is cyclical, and by the 2000s people were fine with "classic rock" again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meadsoap Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Velvet Revolver profited off the success of GnR for the first album, failed to create an organic fanbase of loyal fans, and then their second album bombed so hard they got dropped from their record label and the band broke up. If people are using that as a mold for how GnR would have done without Axl, that's not much of a compliment. It was an absolutely stupid idea to fire their frontman from the album that was just starting to blow up. If they had done that, they would have failed and deserved every bit of that failure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karice Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, meadsoap said: Velvet Revolver profited off the success of GnR for the first album, failed to create an organic fanbase of loyal fans, and then their second album bombed so hard they got dropped from their record label and the band broke up. If people are using that as a mold for how GnR would have done without Axl, that's not much of a compliment. It was an absolutely stupid idea to fire their frontman from the album that was just starting to blow up. If they had done that, they would have failed and deserved every bit of that failure. Speaking of a band firing their Front man, Kajagoogoo fired their Front man and quickly crashed and burned after having only one major hit when he was still the Front man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rindmelon Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Karice said: Speaking of a band firing their Front man, Kajagoogoo fired their Front man and quickly crashed and burned after having only one major hit when he was still the Front man. I know they are like an 80's joke of a pop band but I swear to god there bass player is actually amazing.. But to address the first question, i think if axl left at that point then they carry on doing heroin and get an average singer, and make average music and either split up or die. Edited February 14 by Rindmelon spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluegrassBlues Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, meadsoap said: Velvet Revolver profited off the success of GnR for the first album, failed to create an organic fanbase of loyal fans, and then their second album bombed so hard they got dropped from their record label and the band broke up. If people are using that as a mold for how GnR would have done without Axl, that's not much of a compliment. It was an absolutely stupid idea to fire their frontman from the album that was just starting to blow up. If they had done that, they would have failed and deserved every bit of that failure. Wasn't Axl actually fired for like three days back in 88 or 89? I'm probably getting my dates mixed up, but it was after a no show of his. I think to come back he had to agree to a clinic or something, but it was shocking to me they thought they could get rid of their frontman at the time. Even if it was less than a week, what were they thinking? There's no way they would have been as successful without him imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rindmelon Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 He was once fired because he refused to come out of a bathroom stall....when you gotta go you gotta go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gilby Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Well Axl owns the name and is the only original member who's been there the whole time. So when he's had enough that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 4 hours ago, BluegrassBlues said: Wasn't Axl actually fired for like three days back in 88 or 89? I'm probably getting my dates mixed up, but it was after a no show of his. I think to come back he had to agree to a clinic or something, but it was shocking to me they thought they could get rid of their frontman at the time. Even if it was less than a week, what were they thinking? There's no way they would have been as successful without him imo Yes, it was in early 1988: FEBRUARY 12-13, 1988: AXL IS FIRED FROM THE BAND IN PHOENIX (The History of GN'R as Told by GN'R - a-4-d.com) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 6 hours ago, meadsoap said: Velvet Revolver profited off the success of GnR for the first album, failed to create an organic fanbase of loyal fans, and then their second album bombed so hard they got dropped from their record label and the band broke up. If people are using that as a mold for how GnR would have done without Axl, that's not much of a compliment. It was an absolutely stupid idea to fire their frontman from the album that was just starting to blow up. If they had done that, they would have failed and deserved every bit of that failure. VR were dropped from the label after they fired Scott Weiland. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimisbatman Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Blackstar said: VR were dropped from the label after they fired Scott Weiland. Didn't know that. Thought they left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 3 hours ago, jimisbatman said: Didn't know that. Thought they left. At the time they said they left, but they were actually dropped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karice Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 9 hours ago, Gunner Gilby said: Well Axl owns the name and is the only original member who's been there the whole time. So when he's had enough that's it. I wonder if Axl bought the Guns N'Roses name so that the Guns could NEVER fire him again, implying something like,"Ha ha you, Bitches, you can NEVER fire me again, because I own the name!" 😏😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickS77 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Karice said: I wonder if Axl bought the Guns N'Roses name so that the Guns could NEVER fire him again, implying something like,"Ha ha you, Bitches, you can NEVER fire me again, because I own the name!" 😏😜 Duh, obviously it was a power move for total control. Edited February 14 by PatrickS77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karice Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 37 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said: Duh, obviously it was a power move for total control. In my defense, I JUST learned that Axl was temporarily fired from Guns N'Roses..... 💡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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