06/03/18 - Berlin, Germany - Olympiastadion

[Sydney Fan]

One thing that stands out is that guns seem to be a night time playing band. Seems to me they kind of look like playing during daylight is an energy sapping experience. Playing at night has a different vibe and they probably get inspired more during the night time. Also certain sections of the crowd look bored.

Edited June 5, 2018 by Sydney Fan

[ironmt]

3 minutes ago, killuridols said:

You should check Guns N' Roses Official Facebook and Twitter accounts.

Plenty of Germans and people who attended the show giving them shit for the awful experience.

The reviews by the press are bad too.

But I guess they must be all liars and haters of GN'R Gods

Are they saying that Axl sounded awful, or that there were technical difficulties? Which Is the reason as to why they had an awful experience? I have no interest In social media what so ever and was just curious.

[Lio]

13 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

 

This was much better than some people gave it credit for.  It was great but might get there.. I love the way Axl does the chorus. Can't wait to see it after a couple more tries and when Axl is feeling a little better.  Anyone know what he says right after?

I thought he said 'That was embarrassing'. But apparently, he said 'That was interesting' That what you mean? I liked it being there. I heard from other people that the crowd didn't know the song, or didn't react to it, but where I was standing (granted, at the rail), people were singing along, so I felt that it was appreciated.

[ludurigan]

2 hours ago, Tadsy said:

I can live with this point above too. 

As has been explained over and over, izzy &  Steven would bring a swing and groove back that's missing, most of us agree on that. 

But I think it's also reasonable to assess that these songs and the way they sound great are more conducive to a fit 25 year old than an ageing 57 year old? 

What I mean by that is, what standard do you find acceptable for axls performance. He's not going to get back to 91 levels even if he gets a vocal coach in. He's also probably the weak link because his job is the hardest to do as they all get older. 

Im not just sticking up for Axl because I get what you're saying in essence, he needs to put more time in pre show, vocal coaching, general fitness, rehearsals, diet, whatever, he's not being professional. 

I get all that. 

I just don't know what percentage of blame he should take overall for yesterday's performance because as I said above, I think it's rather complicated situation that's hard to put a finger on. 

sure, agree with you, those songs are hard and to be honest i have no idea why axl is still playing these songs.

you ask about what standard do i find acceptable for axl vocals... i suppose i find ANYTHING acceptable -- even shit vocals -- as long as axl (or whoever other singer) is into the song and giving it 100% (or something close to that)

which clearly is not the case with axl when he sings guns n roses songs 1985-1991

(except for 2 or 3 or 4 which he seems to enjoy -- id say november rain, nightrain and maybe a couple more... the rest it seems to me that he's been doing on autopilot since 1992)

i really dont like the songs from his solo album and i really dont like the ultra annoying clean vocals he uses on his solo songs but despite that i cant help to respect him much more when he sings those songs -- because he clearly is so much more into singing them

his job is the hardest, 100% agree with you on that. but that doesnt make his job more important than everyone else's job

and believing that he was more important than everybody else in GNR -- and being unable to realize that izzy and slash are just as important to GNR as he is -- has probably been the biggest, most stupid and most damaging mistake on his career

that is at least 18 times worse than whatever issues he has with his voice

 

[RageKage]

3 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Lol, I'm sure plenty "losers on the forum" can afford to buy all the tickets they like. 

Not being able to afford tickets and choosing not to give GNR more money are two totally different things. 

This also might be a good time for me to remind you that insulting other users is against the forum rules. 

Forget the money thing. Edited that.

But there's nothing more pathetic than people judging and hating when they haven't been there. It's so lame. 

Get a hobby ffs

Edited June 5, 2018 by RageKage

[RussTCB]

1 minute ago, RageKage said:

Forget the money thing. Edited that.

But there's nothing more pathetic than people judging and hating when they haven't been there. It's so lame. 

Get a hobby ffs

Most or all of the people on this forum have been to at least one NITL show. In most cases the users here have been to several shows. 

So that, in addition to the YouTube videos from current shows is more than enough to form an opinion. 

The forum is here for people to share their opinions. No amount of you or anyone else calling them pathetic and telling them their opinion must be wrong because it's not the same as yours will change that. 

[killuridols]

5 minutes ago, ironmt said:

Are they saying that Axl sounded awful, or that there were technical difficulties? Which Is the reason as to why they had an awful experience? I have no interest In social media what so ever and was just curious.

A mix of both, but basically disappointed and unhappy because the experience was bad, some couldn't hear anything or the sound was just bad. Probably for people upfront was better, it always does and the ones who suffer are those who got the cheaper tickets.

But if you check the comments, the general feeling is negative.

[RageKage]

 

2 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Most or all of the people on this forum have been to at least one NITL show. In most cases the users here have been to several shows. 

So that, in addition to the YouTube videos from current shows is more than enough to form an opinion. 

The forum is here for people to share their opinions. No amount of you or anyone else calling them pathetic and telling them their opinion must be wrong because it's not the same as yours will change that. 

Most of the people who attended loved it

Most of the people who were behind their laptotand weren't there hated it

 

What does that tell you? Who has better judgment: The ones who were there or the ones who weren't?

Edited June 5, 2018 by RageKage

[Lio]

32 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

The "you weren't there and if you don't share my opinion you're not a fan" thing is so tired. 

You know what else is tired? Reading no reviews because everyone hates coming into the thread, because the same 5 people hijacked it, and will keep on hijacking every show thread to say how much they hated it.

[Sosso]

I was there and I loved it. The only negative thing was she short performance time

Edited June 5, 2018 by Sosso

[NicoRourke]

26 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

 

This was much better than some people gave it credit for.  It was great but might get there.. I love the way Axl does the chorus. Can't wait to see it after a couple more tries and when Axl is feeling a little better.  Anyone know what he says right after?

I hear "that was really nice". Which is good if he enjoyed it, it will be played again and it's good for Slash and Duff - further acknowledging their song.

[ludurigan]

28 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

 

Anyone know what he says right after?

"that was interesting"

[estranged_85]

27 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

 

This was much better than some people gave it credit for.  It was great but might get there.. I love the way Axl does the chorus. Can't wait to see it after a couple more tries and when Axl is feeling a little better.  Anyone know what he says right after?

 

some polishing and Axl's voice gets better and i think this song's gonna rock! Glad they finally played it    I'm not gonna judge the whole tour based on this show. 

 

[RussTCB]

3 minutes ago, RageKage said:

 

Most of the people who attended loved it

Most of the people who were behind their laptotand weren't there hated it

 

What does that tell you? Who has better judgment: The ones who were there or the ones who weren't?

You might want to take another look at GN'Rs social media posts from the show if you're under the impression most people who were there enjoyed it. 

[RageKage]

1 minute ago, Lio said:

You know what else is tired? Reading no reviews because everyone hates coming into the thread, because the same 5 people hijacked it, and will keep on hijacking every show thread to say how much they hated it.

Thank you.

[irishguns]

I was at the show, To be honest it was the worst vocal performance I have ever seen and I include drunken Japanese Karaoke in that.

I feel disappointed it wasn’t better and that Axl doesn’t work his ass off to prepare his voice and basic approach to singing the songs, but what’s the point in complaining it’s not going to change anything, he is who he is and when you are standing a few metres from the stage seeing Axl and Slash play Welcome to the Jungle together, something that was just a far fetched dream for 20 years you just have to enjoy the moment and not obsess about it not being as good as it could be.

[RageKage]

1 minute ago, RussTCB said:

You might want to take another look at GN'Rs social media posts from the show if you're under the impression most people who were there enjoyed it. 

The sound issue is a different issue. People here didn't complain about the sound.

[RussTCB]

2 minutes ago, Lio said:

You know what else is tired? Reading no reviews because everyone hates coming into the thread, because the same 5 people hijacked it, and will keep on hijacking every show thread to say how much they hated it.

You're 100% right and I agree with you. Myself and the rest of the staff aren't blind to the fact that there are people who are just going to hate on anything GNR does. 

We do our best to weed that out, but some of it obviously gets through no matter how much we try to take care of it. 

We are in the process of possibly adding another mod which will hopefully make it easier. 

[RussTCB]

3 minutes ago, RageKage said:

The sound issue is a different issue. People here didn't complain about the sound.

Again... You're wrong here. Yes, people on social media were complaining about the sound but they were also complaining about the bad performance too. 

Same thing with here. Some people who were at the show did complain about the sound. Some of them also said it wasn't a good show. 

[Tom-Ass]

17 minutes ago, RageKage said:

That's not what it's about. If someone was there and didn't like it: ok

If losers on the forum who are too poor to buy tickets complain: ridiculous

Get off your soap box because you sound like a real asshole.. Some of the "losers" on this forum spend plenty of money on tickets or traveling to shows and put money in the bands pockets buying music and merchandise. Others "losers" have been emotionally invested in the band for over 30 years in some cases. It is 2018 and it is possible to follow these shows online. People care enough to do it and there is nothing wrong with giving your thoughts even if you weren't there. When people stop caring the band is done. There are some people who bitch for the sake of bitching but most people just know how great the band was and how good they could still be.. This show was obviously off. I am sure the band would tell you the same..

As for the losers that can't afford to go to the shows. I know plenty of good people that really wanted to check out the band when they came around but couldn't due to the insane ticket prices.. That doesn't make them losers.. That makes them responsible because they have families and other priorities.. The only losers in that situation are the greedy promoters and the band for signing off on the ticket prices..

 

[Tom-Ass]

16 minutes ago, NicoRourke said:

I hear "that was really nice". Which is good if he enjoyed it, it will be played again and it's good for Slash and Duff - further acknowledging their song.

It better be played again.. That has the potential to kick some serious ass. 

[GNRfanMILO]

Just now, Tom-Ass said:

It better be played again.. That has the potential to kick some serious ass. 

Yeah, totally. The recent covers they did prove it. Compare the first Black Hole Sun / I Feel Good / etc, to the last one. It’s night and day.

This song after a few shows will be fucking amazing

[Andaday]

It’s funny coming on here and reading the reactions. It’s a bit like when you google a medical condition and it always gives you the worst case senario. It was a decent gig, a bit rusty but will improve as the tour goes on. Axl didn’t have his best gig but that happens, he was good for the majority of the show. The fact that they played Slither was worth the price of admission alone. 

After the Rock in Rio show the comments on here were saying the band is finished and of course that blew over quickly, the same goes for this.

[Tom2112]

12 hours ago, Tadsy said:

This! 

Ive just watched that slither clip, and I've got to say, what I saw wasn't all axls fault. 

That venue doesn't lend itself to good acoustics. It sounds hollow, Tinny and you could hear it reverberating around the stadium. 

Secondly, crowds in 2018 are shite. Maybe they were just put off by what they could hear, and their reaction of being uninterested was the result of that I dunno, 

but it's a shocking atmosphere and the crowd didn't help. 

I know playing stadiums is where the band wants to be but bigger isn't always better, I'd much prefer smaller venues, better acoustics, full crowds and an atmosphere. 

It just seems to me that a lot of people in this crowd didn't even know this song... make of that what you will, but even if slither was average, walking off in the middle of it (which is what I saw) wouldn't be my reaction if I knew the history of the band and this song? Which brings me back to crowds, generally they are lame these days trying to film a song they are at a live concert at, makes no sense to me. 

The more I see the more I'm actually prepared to give Axl the benefit of the doubt on this. 

 

Of course axl wasnt on as well well but I think there's a lot of things at play that contributed to this type of performance and hopefully it's all fixed by the next show. 

Just my opinion though. 

I think the sound was the big issue for the majority and then it was definitely the poor vocals. There's no getting around how poor Axl sounded and we can blame the PA a disheartened crowd and any number of things but end of the day gnrs job is to make sure the sound is A1 and the individual members of GNR are all ready to perform. They failed to do that.

Edited June 5, 2018 by Tom2112

[GNR 1991]

Amongst all the drama, has a full set list been posted? Did they play Coma? How short was the set?