Underhardy Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said: Agreed. There's always hope that he'll turn it around, like at the last few 2014 shows, but he's deteriorated over the course of this tour to the point where even he acknowledges he 'sucks', and it's frustrating as hell because it seems like he shouldn't have these issues. The guy has made millions of dollars but won't keep his voice in shape between tour legs with a voice coach... Yeah. If only he took it as serious as he should. Lebron James puts over a million dollars into physical training every single year to be the best he can every night. Axl should do the same, but his motivation has been in question time and time again. Now it’s down to $ and that’s about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombux Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said: Agreed. There's always hope that he'll turn it around, like at the last few 2014 shows, but he's deteriorated over the course of this tour to the point where even he acknowledges he 'sucks', and it's frustrating as hell because it seems like he shouldn't have these issues. The guy has made millions of dollars but won't keep his voice in shape between tour legs with a voice coach... I fear that this is not just about a voice coach, to me it seems that something happened with his voice around 2011 (a surgery?) and he just can't sing the way he did before. agreed that in 2001-2 the "helium banshee" wasn't that great either, but Mickey since circa 2012 is just plain embarassing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 1 hour ago, RussTCB said: That's the main thing I think when I've seen this: "Man, if only the album came out that same year!" I'm weird. I prefer the album cuts. I like how it turned out. I do quite like 2001 The Blues, though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said: I'm weird. I prefer the album cuts. I like how it turned out. I do quite like 2001 The Blues, though Though I do prefer almost every early version I've heard to those that ended up on the album, that's not what I was taking about here specifically. I'm talking more about the timeline. Like "I wonder how much different the past 2 decades might have been if this line up released that album in 2001 and had any chance at gaining some momentum" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, RussTCB said: Though I do prefer almost every early version I've heard to those that ended up on the album, that's not what I was taking about here specifically. I'm talking more about the timeline. Like "I wonder how much different the past 2 decades might have been if this line up released that album in 2001 and had any chance at gaining some momentum" Oh yeah absolutely. I also things would be very different if the album was #1 and had a hit in 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zombux Posted June 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, RussTCB said: I'm talking more about the timeline. Like "I wonder how much different the past 2 decades might have been if this line up released that album in 2001 and had any chance at gaining some momentum" it's very hard to say to be honest. yeah, many people including me consider Beavan mix "the ultimate Holy Grail" of Chinese Democracy. but would it really be that great? we only have a few bad quality "1999 demos" which are supposed to be from that era. even considering those were rough demos without proper mix and production, they would probably be very raw also in terms of the song quality itself. probably very dirty, grungy, remember this was still pre-Buckethead era, and hard to say how much space did Robin get back then - his parts might have been at least partly removed, like from the EoD version of OMG. yeah, I'd still love to hear that shit, really love. but all things considered, it would rather be a hardcore fan thing than something generally great... then, in spring 2000, RTB got onboard and it seems logical, at least to me, that the first official release date in 2001 was produced by him. we can clearly hear how things were going, with both Buckethead and Robin in their place - altough the band still lacked much of cohesion (Buckethead and Robin only met right when the 2001 shows happened? insane shit!). still the stuff sounds quite raw, but it might be the mixing and production again. RTB was there until early 2002, so the "Boston promo" snippets must be of later date, and they sound extremely well made - I guess that era might have been the right spot, when ChiDem should have been released. late 2002, early 2003. Buckethead was still firmly in the band, they were already a real band with working chemistry etc., they even had a new skilled rhytm guitarist (Fortus), and still there weren't that many unneccessary layers as later. hmm... I tried to say something and ended up talking about something much different. what the hell I was trying to say? I already forgot. damn. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, Underhardy said: Yeah. If only he took it as serious as he should. Lebron James puts over a million dollars into physical training every single year to be the best he can every night. Axl should do the same, but his motivation has been in question time and time again. Now it’s down to $ and that’s about it. Yea, it's unfortunate that he doesn't seem motivated. He sounds best when he's got something to prove; 2010, AC/DC, the April and Summer 2016 shows, but since 2016 it's been just 'The Slash Show feat. Axl & Duff'. 28 minutes ago, zombux said: I fear that this is not just about a voice coach, to me it seems that something happened with his voice around 2011 (a surgery?) and he just can't sing the way he did before. agreed that in 2001-2 the "helium banshee" wasn't that great either, but Mickey since circa 2012 is just plain embarassing. I think lack of proper maintenance (whether that means with a vocal coach or not) was a huge factor post-2010, it seemed like something happened around mid-2010 that made him say 'fuck it' (even though he was still great vocally, he'd tried to cancel the tour, CD2/re-release was rumoured to have been turned down, and he apparently tried to disband the line-up). The strain he put on his voice over the 2010 tour, coupled with not only 'not maintaining or adapting that voice', but seemingly just not singing for the next year, probably caused damage that is either the reason for the 'mickey' voice, or the likely cause of whatever surgery that led to the 'mickey' voice. The 2011 tour was the result of a lawsuit, not something he necessarily wanted to do. I think 'mickey' is just the voice he 'settled for' that wouldn't damage his voice further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said: Yea, it's unfortunate that he doesn't seem motivated. He sounds best when he's got something to prove; 2010, AC/DC, the April and Summer 2016 shows, but since 2016 it's been just 'The Slash Show feat. Axl & Duff'. I think lack of proper maintenance (whether that means with a vocal coach or not) was a huge factor post-2010, it seemed like something happened around mid-2010 that made him say 'fuck it' (even though he was still great vocally, he'd tried to cancel the tour, CD2/re-release was rumoured to have been turned down, and he apparently tried to disband the line-up). The strain he put on his voice over the 2010 tour, coupled with not only 'not maintaining or adapting that voice', but seemingly just not singing for the next year, probably caused damage that is either the reason for the 'mickey' voice, or the likely cause of whatever surgery that led to the 'mickey' voice. The 2011 tour was the result of a lawsuit, not something he necessarily wanted to do. I think 'mickey' is just the voice he 'settled for' that wouldn't damage his voice further. Can you give us a source for his? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sosso said: Can you give us a source for his? I believe it was in MSL's 'internal emails' debacle where he talked about DJ making more than Ron, Dizzy and Caram requesting back-pay, there was a bunch of shit he claimed were in the emails and Axl dissolving the band was one of them. I'll have a look for them. edit: I meant to imply in the original post it was just a rumor, not something I'm claiming is true, just to be clear. Edited June 17, 2018 by Gordon Comstock 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said: I believe it was in MSL's 'internal emails' debacle where he talked about DJ making more than Ron, Dizzy and Caram requesting back-pay, there was a bunch of shit he claimed were in the emails and Axl dissolving the band was one of them. I'll have a look for them. Interesting. It seems like Chris was not the only one who wasn't paid by Axl. Edited June 17, 2018 by Sosso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) Here's the list of documents, Axl apparently tried to dissolve GNR in December 2009 and June 2010 (says MSL) Spoiler List of 101 internal GNR documents: 001. Sheng Tang Music Festival PDF 002. DJ Ashba's contract 003. June 2010 Axl email dissolving GNR 004. December 2009 Axl email dissolving GNR 005. Doc's 2011 plan powerpoint 006. Better_Gone.mp3 007. January 2010 Caram Castanzo email about bonus tracks 008. November 2010 Axl email bitching about Bumblefoot 009. January 2011 email about cutting everyone's pay (part 1) 010. January 2011 email about cutting everyone's pay (part 2) 011. Chinese Democracy band member payments and recoupment 012. Chinese Democracy band producer charts 013. January 2010 Axl email complaining about Dr. Dre 014. October 2009 Axl email to Bumblefoot about Duff rejoining 015. December 2009 Brain email submitting Better remix to Fernando 016. Better video treatment v1 017. Chinese Democracy World Tour Income & Expenses 018. 2009 Band Rehearsal Expenses 019. Tour Income & Expense Summary Production rehearsals (11/09) 020. Chinese Democracy video treatmeant 021. 2010 Europe Leg #2 Budget Summary 022. Geffen Records contract for Second Album (January 2007) 023. Street of Dreams video treatment 024. January 2009 email discussing possible replacements for Robin 025. January 2010 email discussing new versions of Knockin' on Heaven's Door 026. January 2011 Caram Castanzo email complaining about back pay 027. July 2010 email outlining 2011 tour plans, including co-headliners 028. Better video treatment v2 029. June 2010 Caram Castanzo email about bonus tracks & second album 030. Robin Finck Resignation Letter (part 1) 031. Robin Finck Resignation Letter (part 2) 032. Robin Finck Resignation Letter (part 3) 033. July 2008 Axl letter to Robin about leaks 034. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 1) 035. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 2) 036. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 3) 037. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 4) 038. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 5) 039. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 6) 040. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 7) 041. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 8) 042. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 9) 043. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 10) 044. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 11) 045. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 12) 046. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 13) 047. January 2008 Shanghai and Beijing festival offers 048. January 2008 Axl email about how many albums to release (part 1) 049. January 2008 Axl email about how many albums to release (part 2) 050. February 2007 lawsuit threat from fan hit with mic (part 1) 051. February 2007 lawsuit threat from fan hit with mic (part 2) 052. December 2006 letter threatening to sue Zakk Wylde 053. December 2005 Slash email threatening photographer 054. April 2006 Axl Rose tour rider 055. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 1) 056. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 2) 057. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 3) 058. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 4) 059. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 5) 060. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 6) 061. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 7) 062. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 8) 063. June 2008 Beta letter about who deserves credit for Sweet Child O' Mine (part 1) 064. June 2008 Beta letter about who deserves credit for Sweet Child O' Mine (part 2) 065. June 2008 Brain email about which producers deserve credit 066. June 2008 Axl email complaining about Tommy siding with Roy over Caram 067. June 2008 Dizzy email about which producers deserve credit (part 1) 068. June 2008 Dizzy email about which producers deserve credit (part 2) 069. June 2008 Dizzy email about which producers deserve credit (part 3) 070. January 2008 Fernando email listing Axl enemies / Slash allies 071. January 2008 Sebastian Bach email about entering rehab 072. February 2010 Axl email making NY plans 073. October 2004 Beta email to Merck about how to trick Axl, Slash lawsuit, etc (part 1) 074. October 2004 Beta email to Merck about how to trick Axl, Slash lawsuit, etc (part 2) 075. October 2009 Axl email about Duff wanting back in and people wanting Tommy out (part 1) 076. October 2009 Axl email about Duff wanting back in and people wanting Tommy out (part 2) 077. October 2009 Axl email about Duff wanting back in and people wanting Tommy out (part 3) 078. October 2009 Beta/Dizzy conversation about everyone wanting Tommy out 079. December 2008 Axl letter about why he's always late (part 1) 080. December 2008 Axl letter about why he's always late (part 2) 081. December 2008 Axl letter about why he's always late (part 3) 082. February 2007 Unpaid studio and producer invoices 083. March 2009 email outlining the tour dates with Van Halen 084. March 2006 Band and crew rehearsal payroll 085. August 2009 Dizzy email begging for update from Beta 086. February 2010 Financial guarantees for each European festival in May (part 1) 087. February 2010 Financial guarantees for each European festival in May (part 2) 088. May 2010 unpublished Axl tweet giving his side of the story re: Azoff (part 1) 089. May 2010 unpublished Axl tweet giving his side of the story re: Azoff (part 2) 090. May 2010 unpublished Axl tweet giving his side of the story re: Azoff (part 3) 091. April 2010 Income and Expense summaries Asia/Canada/South America (part 1) 092. April 2010 Income and Expense summaries Asia/Canada/South America (part 2) 093. April 2010 Income and Expense summaries Asia/Canada/South America (part 3) 094. April 2010 DJ Ashba email to Doc about Axl wanting to fire DJ 095. April 2010 Axl email dissolving GNR and insisting DJ Ashba be sued 096. January 2008 Axl letter about his feelings on Velvet Revolver (part 1) 097. January 2008 Axl letter about his feelings on Velvet Revolver (part 2) 098. January 2008 Axl letter detailing his uncensored thoughts on Slash 099. January 2008 Axl email about which songs should be on second album 100. "The Honor of Thieves 2" - Axl book about the break-up of GNR 101. December 2010 Doc email about Tommy refusing to play in Abu Dhabi Edited June 17, 2018 by Gordon Comstock 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angriestwhopper Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said: Here's the list of documents, Axl apparently tried to dissolve GNR in December 2009 and June 2010 (says MSL) Reveal hidden contents List of 101 internal GNR documents: 001. Sheng Tang Music Festival PDF 002. DJ Ashba's contract 003. June 2010 Axl email dissolving GNR 004. December 2009 Axl email dissolving GNR 005. Doc's 2011 plan powerpoint 006. Better_Gone.mp3 007. January 2010 Caram Castanzo email about bonus tracks 008. November 2010 Axl email bitching about Bumblefoot 009. January 2011 email about cutting everyone's pay (part 1) 010. January 2011 email about cutting everyone's pay (part 2) 011. Chinese Democracy band member payments and recoupment 012. Chinese Democracy band producer charts 013. January 2010 Axl email complaining about Dr. Dre 014. October 2009 Axl email to Bumblefoot about Duff rejoining 015. December 2009 Brain email submitting Better remix to Fernando 016. Better video treatment v1 017. Chinese Democracy World Tour Income & Expenses 018. 2009 Band Rehearsal Expenses 019. Tour Income & Expense Summary Production rehearsals (11/09) 020. Chinese Democracy video treatmeant 021. 2010 Europe Leg #2 Budget Summary 022. Geffen Records contract for Second Album (January 2007) 023. Street of Dreams video treatment 024. January 2009 email discussing possible replacements for Robin 025. January 2010 email discussing new versions of Knockin' on Heaven's Door 026. January 2011 Caram Castanzo email complaining about back pay 027. July 2010 email outlining 2011 tour plans, including co-headliners 028. Better video treatment v2 029. June 2010 Caram Castanzo email about bonus tracks & second album 030. Robin Finck Resignation Letter (part 1) 031. Robin Finck Resignation Letter (part 2) 032. Robin Finck Resignation Letter (part 3) 033. July 2008 Axl letter to Robin about leaks 034. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 1) 035. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 2) 036. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 3) 037. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 4) 038. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 5) 039. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 6) 040. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 7) 041. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 8) 042. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 9) 043. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 10) 044. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 11) 045. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 12) 046. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 13) 047. January 2008 Shanghai and Beijing festival offers 048. January 2008 Axl email about how many albums to release (part 1) 049. January 2008 Axl email about how many albums to release (part 2) 050. February 2007 lawsuit threat from fan hit with mic (part 1) 051. February 2007 lawsuit threat from fan hit with mic (part 2) 052. December 2006 letter threatening to sue Zakk Wylde 053. December 2005 Slash email threatening photographer 054. April 2006 Axl Rose tour rider 055. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 1) 056. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 2) 057. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 3) 058. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 4) 059. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 5) 060. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 6) 061. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 7) 062. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 8) 063. June 2008 Beta letter about who deserves credit for Sweet Child O' Mine (part 1) 064. June 2008 Beta letter about who deserves credit for Sweet Child O' Mine (part 2) 065. June 2008 Brain email about which producers deserve credit 066. June 2008 Axl email complaining about Tommy siding with Roy over Caram 067. June 2008 Dizzy email about which producers deserve credit (part 1) 068. June 2008 Dizzy email about which producers deserve credit (part 2) 069. June 2008 Dizzy email about which producers deserve credit (part 3) 070. January 2008 Fernando email listing Axl enemies / Slash allies 071. January 2008 Sebastian Bach email about entering rehab 072. February 2010 Axl email making NY plans 073. October 2004 Beta email to Merck about how to trick Axl, Slash lawsuit, etc (part 1) 074. October 2004 Beta email to Merck about how to trick Axl, Slash lawsuit, etc (part 2) 075. October 2009 Axl email about Duff wanting back in and people wanting Tommy out (part 1) 076. October 2009 Axl email about Duff wanting back in and people wanting Tommy out (part 2) 077. October 2009 Axl email about Duff wanting back in and people wanting Tommy out (part 3) 078. October 2009 Beta/Dizzy conversation about everyone wanting Tommy out 079. December 2008 Axl letter about why he's always late (part 1) 080. December 2008 Axl letter about why he's always late (part 2) 081. December 2008 Axl letter about why he's always late (part 3) 082. February 2007 Unpaid studio and producer invoices 083. March 2009 email outlining the tour dates with Van Halen 084. March 2006 Band and crew rehearsal payroll 085. August 2009 Dizzy email begging for update from Beta 086. February 2010 Financial guarantees for each European festival in May (part 1) 087. February 2010 Financial guarantees for each European festival in May (part 2) 088. May 2010 unpublished Axl tweet giving his side of the story re: Azoff (part 1) 089. May 2010 unpublished Axl tweet giving his side of the story re: Azoff (part 2) 090. May 2010 unpublished Axl tweet giving his side of the story re: Azoff (part 3) 091. April 2010 Income and Expense summaries Asia/Canada/South America (part 1) 092. April 2010 Income and Expense summaries Asia/Canada/South America (part 2) 093. April 2010 Income and Expense summaries Asia/Canada/South America (part 3) 094. April 2010 DJ Ashba email to Doc about Axl wanting to fire DJ 095. April 2010 Axl email dissolving GNR and insisting DJ Ashba be sued 096. January 2008 Axl letter about his feelings on Velvet Revolver (part 1) 097. January 2008 Axl letter about his feelings on Velvet Revolver (part 2) 098. January 2008 Axl letter detailing his uncensored thoughts on Slash 099. January 2008 Axl email about which songs should be on second album 100. "The Honor of Thieves 2" - Axl book about the break-up of GNR 101. December 2010 Doc email about Tommy refusing to play in Abu Dhabi Thank you for linking this. Its always a good read. What a fucking insane lunatic. Must be drugged up on something. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombux Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Quote 025. January 2010 email discussing new versions of Knockin' on Heaven's Door LOL. this alone just perfectly illustrates, how fucked up the whole thing was. even though I really loved the 2006/7 lineup, it's obvious that after everything failed in 2002/3 and Bucket left in 2004, the damage has been done and the patient was alive only thanks to life support machines. like, Chinese Zombie-Democracy. the stuff should really get out in, say, late 2002 or early 2003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojo Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) Is it 100% correct that gnr was in debt/trouble in recent years so had to keep touring? I know UYI had them losing money and net worth isn't always accurate. I have read up on all this by the way just want to double check in case someone knows what was really going on and not rumors. Edited June 17, 2018 by MrMojo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, zombux said: LOL. this alone just perfectly illustrates, how fucked up the whole thing was. even though I really loved the 2006/7 lineup, it's obvious that after everything failed in 2002/3 and Bucket left in 2004, the damage has been done and the patient was alive only thanks to life support machines. like, Chinese Zombie-Democracy. the stuff should really get out in, say, late 2002 or early 2003. I've always wondered if that meant: a new version to play live, which would make sense because each line-up had played a different version of the song, or a new recording for the remix album or bonus track on something, which would also make sense because it's so fucked up ABSURD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angriestwhopper Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 As if on his email to do list he was actually seriously concerned about the better gone remix. Its a fucking shit rap song. Just another sunday sounds better than that. Jesus christ. I mean he is scraping the fucking barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, angriestwhopper said: As if on his email to do list he was actually seriously concerned about the better gone remix. This is a guy who, as far as we know, still tinkers with Silkworms and Riff #3729. Better Gone wasn't even the worst of the remixes. Nothing really surprises me anymore. I'm more curious about his complaints about Dr. Dre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojo Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said: This is a guy who, as far as we know, still tinkers with Silkworms and Riff #3729. Better Gone wasn't even the worst of the remixes. Nothing really surprises me anymore. I'm more curious about his complaints about Dr. Dre The list legit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said: This is a guy who, as far as we know, still tinkers with Silkworms and Riff #3729. Better Gone wasn't even the worst of the remixes. Nothing really surprises me anymore. I'm more curious about his complaints about Dr. Dre I know that Chris has worked with Dr. Dre back in 1994. Maybe Axl wanted to work with him too and the collaboration failed for different reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angriestwhopper Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said: This is a guy who, as far as we know, still tinkers with Silkworms and Riff #3729. Better Gone wasn't even the worst of the remixes. Nothing really surprises me anymore. I'm more curious about his complaints about Dr. Dre why are we even on this forum and knowing this information. Are we nutz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Just now, MrMojo said: The list legit? Who knows? Some of the stuff on there is definitely legit, like Better Gone and the Better video, so considering some of the other stuff MSL has/had, it's possible. 2 minutes ago, angriestwhopper said: why are we even on this forum and knowing this information. Are we nutz We are crazy people here to talk about crazy things 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seely Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 There was also Axl's 2010 tweet (later claimed to be a 'hack') which said the summer tour was cancelled. That seems to support the idea that something was certainly up behind the scenes that year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Part of me wishes Axl would have dissolved GNR after 2002 failed. Returned in 04 as a solo artist and mellowed out a bit working on an acoustic record and touring small venues for five years. Then do a grand return to GNR in 2009-2010. Thats kinda my personal hindsight simply because I’d liked to have more content from Axl Rose. He’s kinda the one that we haven’t gotten to see the talent meet the potential. He’s had an insanely great career but for what could have been and what has been it’s a bit of a disappointment. I think Axl alluded to this in that interview from 2006 on radio. The whole thing could have gone a million directions in the end 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angriestwhopper Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 This guy must honestly must have been on some serious fucking drugs or flapjacks or something. Slash is a snake, but at least he was grounded in all of this. So weird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian girl Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Did Anyone ever read those emails? How did They surfaced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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