PopcornAdler Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 thank the lord i was a downloading junkie in the 2000's and have nearly every show from 93 back. some one get me moline 2002 video and id cough up anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 While it’s unfortunate that so much content that people enjoyed has been pulled, it doesn’t really change the fact that most of it was technically copyrighted material that they didn’t have rights to distribute. I’m not sure there’s anything that can be done now that’s it’s been flagged. Whether it’s a fan or the rights holder, it unfortunately doesn’t matter in those sites eyes. They can’t prove their rights, and until the actual rights holder comes forward to back the claim those accounts will remain suspended All that can happen now is the discussion in what to do legally with copyrighted material in the digital age. Hopefully these cases move that conversation forward 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR41 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, guitarpatch said: While it’s unfortunate that so much content that people enjoyed has been pulled, it doesn’t really change the fact that most of it was technically copyrighted material that they didn’t have rights to distribute. I’m not sure there’s anything that can be done now that’s it’s been flagged. Whether it’s a fan or the rights holder, it unfortunately doesn’t matter in those sites eyes. They can’t prove their rights, and until the actual rights holder comes forward to back the claim those accounts will remain suspended All that can happen now is the discussion in what to do legally with copyrighted material in the digital age. Hopefully these cases move that conversation forward I totally understand that it is likely copyrighted material. But no one was enabling ads on this content and therefore they were not making any money on decades-old material that was never released. I'd like to think it is simply considered promotional material by the powers that be. There is an appetite for this content, why not release it at this point? I wish the GNR YouTube channel would gain the rights to these videos and put them up themselves and monetize them. I don't understand why this isn't done already. Again I know this is copyrighted material and the label/band/whoever own it. I am not going to argue that point, but if you are opposed to videos from 25-30 years ago being up on YouTube by some one else who is NOT monetizing it then why not post them as the copyright holder and monetize them yourself? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 1 hour ago, WAR41 said: This whole topic is such a downer. Amazing content that was available for years and in some cases over a decade that I admittedly took for granted is now gone. I do not understand why anyone would want to do this. I sincerely hope there is another platform for this content that will be made available soon. I do not donate to Patreon, but if some one would create a GNR archive that contains content from all these great YouTube channels that we could all access I would gladly cough up a dollar or two a month to help out. Because some people are human trash 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imsorry Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 22 minutes ago, WAR41 said: I totally understand that it is likely copyrighted material. But no one was enabling ads on this content and therefore they were not making any money on decades-old material that was never released. I'd like to think it is simply considered promotional material by the powers that be. There is an appetite for this content, why not release it at this point? I wish the GNR YouTube channel would gain the rights to these videos and put them up themselves and monetize them. I don't understand why this isn't done already. Again I know this is copyrighted material and the label/band/whoever own it. I am not going to argue that point, but if you are opposed to videos from 25-30 years ago being up on YouTube by some one else who is NOT monetizing it then why not post them as the copyright holder and monetize them yourself? When you upload a video usually yt detected the content and told you its copyright and if u do nothing UMG will start monetize the video since day 1 so them are making money from all GN'R fan channels for years so that's not the issue, the issue is the 3 Little Pigs who thinks they are something...and act like they are from GN'R camp ROFL, but them The 3 Little Pigs can make money selling unheard stuff, nice . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I'm not very knowledgeable about how the youtube thing works but if Universal were monetizing these videos, then the band were receiving a revenue stream from the material. So whoever they are who has done this have inadvertently killed revenue for the band? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 1 hour ago, WAR41 said: I totally understand that it is likely copyrighted material. But no one was enabling ads on this content and therefore they were not making any money on decades-old material that was never released. I'd like to think it is simply considered promotional material by the powers that be. There is an appetite for this content, why not release it at this point? I wish the GNR YouTube channel would gain the rights to these videos and put them up themselves and monetize them. I don't understand why this isn't done already. Again I know this is copyrighted material and the label/band/whoever own it. I am not going to argue that point, but if you are opposed to videos from 25-30 years ago being up on YouTube by some one else who is NOT monetizing it then why not post them as the copyright holder and monetize them yourself? The monezitation doesn’t really matter in the eyes of YouTube. It’s really whether the user has the right to upload the material. I guess YouTube gives normal users the right to flag anything and it’s up to the uploader to prove their ownership. I suppose it mitigates their risk/liability, and this system is better than being routinely sued for negligence I don’t necessarily think any of this is the best way to handle in 2018 at all. We’re operating content rights as if it were the mid 70’s or late 90’s at best. It needs to be changed as our mediums change In a perfect world GNR controls all of it seamlessly. However if that were the case, I would still think stuff like demos and unreleased soundboard sources would see the same fate. Interviews and tv appearance open up another can of worms of who actually owns the rights. Ultimately it’s a mess that wasn’t meant to be fought legally in 2018 and everyone suffers 8 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: I'm not very knowledgeable about how the youtube thing works but if Universal were monetizing these videos, then the band were receiving a revenue stream from the material. So whoever they are who has done this have inadvertently killed revenue for the band? Technically, however I don’t believe artists see a dime from any of that anyways. Def gets lost in the numbers in the labels favor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidman69 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 On 7/10/2018 at 2:26 PM, fanfzero said: Same for me, and sending emails to the provided adress resulted in no answer IFPI never even reviews the material they flag. This is a good read about the organization and how it operates https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140924/18042528632/revealed-how-to-get-ifpi-to-issue-bogus-dmca-takedowns-just-about-anything-with-no-questions-asked-no-review.shtml 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoymatic Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Does anyone or has anyone started a list of GnR stuff that has been taken down? It seems like there is no rhyme or reason as to what gets taken down and what doesn't....or at least I have not noticed a pattern. As I mentioned before, I want to hear Better w additional instruments, i.e. sound effects. It it not even a song, yet its removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit83 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Stoymatic said: Does anyone or has anyone started a list of GnR stuff that has been taken down? It seems like there is no rhyme or reason as to what gets taken down and what doesn't....or at least I have not noticed a pattern. As I mentioned before, I want to hear Better w additional instruments, i.e. sound effects. It it not even a song, yet its removed. I wonder if Frans or Ms Metal have. She gave a rundown of all the channels that were affected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRANSAD Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 No, i haven't kept track of it but it's mainly classic GnFnR, leaks and Mygnr visitors. There's a website which keeps track of all complaints its called Lumendatabase you can search any single complaint and see info on who's behind it. Here is a screenshot with an complaint against mygnr. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoymatic Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 22 hours ago, FRANSAD said: No, i haven't kept track of it but it's mainly classic GnFnR, leaks and Mygnr visitors. There's a website which keeps track of all complaints its called Lumendatabase you can search any single complaint and see info on who's behind it. Here is a screenshot with an complaint against mygnr. Very interesting. There are soooooo many different complaints about GnR related material. I don't quite understand why so many people would complain to Google about things though....am I missing something? Google doesn't own Gnr stuff to my knowledge, and all they provide is the ability to find links to web sites, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR41 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 21 hours ago, Stoymatic said: Very interesting. There are soooooo many different complaints about GnR related material. I don't quite understand why so many people would complain to Google about things though....am I missing something? Google doesn't own Gnr stuff to my knowledge, and all they provide is the ability to find links to web sites, right? I mean... Google owns YouTube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) Sucks people cant just get along Edited July 20, 2018 by ZoSoRose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldek Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 There's only one way to stop this madness: take down all GN'R videos on Youtube. For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 hour ago, baldek said: There's only one way to stop this madness: take down all GN'R videos on Youtube. For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction. You means youtoubers war 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jw224 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I understand why YouTube just take videos down when a claim is made. It's a safety measure because they do not want to deal with possible legal action. That doesn't mean however that I don't wish there was a more elegant solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 On 03/07/2018 at 1:38 PM, DieselDaisy said: My own suspicion is there is some ''Floridian/Carolinian'' connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donny Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 28 minutes ago, Dazey said: Tuscaloosa/Carolinian is my guess. mr Floridian isn't gonna spend all that time and energy on it for 2 reasons. he has a life. he has 2 disciples to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJean Baby Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Looks like they are starting shit on Twitter now too. This is beyond stupid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donny Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 26 minutes ago, BlueJean Baby said: Looks like they are starting shit on Twitter now too. This is beyond stupid. Quote i dont use twitter much but just had a browse to see whats going on. i had to have a chuckle when i saw who one of ms metals latest followers are i could see trouble brewing on twitter 3 weeks ago when Alfred started following ms metal after the podcast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Actual photo of the perpetrator 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 1 hour ago, BlueJean Baby said: Looks like they are starting shit on Twitter now too. This is beyond stupid. Unfuckingbelievable. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelmi Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 So I suggest some of you know this guys personality who is behind all of this? Why not making it public? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 29 minutes ago, Kelmi said: So I suggest some of you know this guys personality who is behind all of this? Why not making it public? It is public, but we do not want any repercussions on the forum or for any of our users 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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