JimiRose Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 On 1/9/2021 at 12:27 AM, fowlerisgod said: Rumors on another board that Izzy and Adler are back in... Back in what? Rehab? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimiRose Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 17 hours ago, Legendador said: But don't you think a new record + a new concert format could stir things up? Yes, because that's what every other band in history does. You release an album, then tour that album live, with a selection of your greatest hits for 1-2 years. then go back into the studio write a new one and repeat. It's a tried and trusted system! GnR are just lazy amateurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimiRose Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Being in the UK and London, it is highly unlikely there will be gigs in May/June. I think 2021 is possible, but september/october seems more likely. Vaccine should be in over 2/3rds of population by then, meaning chances of transmission are incredibly low. Remember, it's not the deaths they're particularly bothered about stopping in the UK, it's making sure that the health services are not overrun because of mass infection and hospitalisation, and that businesses can be open and run as normal. Besides, when GnR toured in 2017 everyone I knew who had a slight interest in the band (14/15 people) bought tickets. This time round, no one is going. Download festival was packed in 2018 for GnR, this time round there's little interest. People underestimate the value of new music. Sure it's unlikely to be a hit like appetite, but it reminds people that GnR are a band, it gives casual fans an excuse to go back to a live show, it puts them back in the social zeitgeist. Look at the ACDC release as an example. GnR will always be able to tour arenas in most parts of the world without releasing another note, but stadiums and relevance are non existent at this point without a new release. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post allwaystired Posted January 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2021 27 minutes ago, JimiRose said: Being in the UK and London, it is highly unlikely there will be gigs in May/June. I think 2021 is possible, but september/october seems more likely. Vaccine should be in over 2/3rds of population by then, meaning chances of transmission are incredibly low. Remember, it's not the deaths they're particularly bothered about stopping in the UK, it's making sure that the health services are not overrun because of mass infection and hospitalisation, and that businesses can be open and run as normal. Besides, when GnR toured in 2017 everyone I knew who had a slight interest in the band (14/15 people) bought tickets. This time round, no one is going. Download festival was packed in 2018 for GnR, this time round there's little interest. People underestimate the value of new music. Sure it's unlikely to be a hit like appetite, but it reminds people that GnR are a band, it gives casual fans an excuse to go back to a live show, it puts them back in the social zeitgeist. Look at the ACDC release as an example. GnR will always be able to tour arenas in most parts of the world without releasing another note, but stadiums and relevance are non existent at this point without a new release. I'd say, at this stage, a new album is the bare minimum. There's a tendancy (and we're all guilty of it) to consider GNR as far more popular than they are. To most people they're a two-song band from the past that produce t-shirts aimed at people who 'want to acesorize with an iconic rock shirt' and have little to no knowledge of the band. I'm sure people will say 'that's not true my friends all like them....' etc etc, but that's because we're in a bubble. In the circles I travel in, I'm laughed at for liking GNR. The reality is, most people don't regard them at all. The 'two-song' crowd came out for NITL as they followed the bit of hype. Now they're done. As ticket sales show. They were never really 'fans' in the first place. All that is fine though. But the band really really need to recognise this. Their actual fan base (i.e. the people that genuinely give a fuck come rain or shine) isn't that big anymore. But they ARE loyal. So start concentrating on them and make it about them. Without that acknowledgement and self-awareness I just don't see a future for the band, new album or not. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DurhamGirl Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 But maybe the people you hang about with would not like Guns n Roses anyway, I have experienced the opposite... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, DurhamGirl said: But maybe the people you hang about with would not like Guns n Roses anyway, I have experienced the opposite... It's irrelevant is my point. It's bubble stuff that sometimes fools us into thinking GNR are more popular than they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 23 minutes ago, DurhamGirl said: But maybe the people you hang about with would not like Guns n Roses anyway, I have experienced the opposite... 8 minutes ago, allwaystired said: It's irrelevant is my point. It's bubble stuff that sometimes fools us into thinking GNR are more popular than they are. Plenty of people "like" Guns N Roses. They have millions of casual fans. However, the casual fans only wanted to see Axl & Slash on the same stage. They've already seen that, sometimes several times in big markets. GN'R have exhausted the casual market for ticket sales. Massive amounts of people aren't going to pay to see the same show again, which was proven by embarrassingly low pre pandemic ticket sales. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, RussTCB said: Plenty of people "like" Guns N Roses. They have millions of casual fans. However, the casual fans only wanted to see Axl & Slash on the same stage. They've already seen that, sometimes several times in big markets. GN'R have exhausted the casual market for ticket sales. Massive amounts of people aren't going to pay to see the same show again, which was proven by embarrassingly low pre pandemic ticket sales. Yeah, that's what I mean really. There's a huge difference between saying "hey Google, play 'November Rain'" and actually being a 'big fan' I'd say too. But there are certainly enough 'big fans' to give GNR a healthy future.....if they'd acknowledge this to be the case, rather than seemingly wanting to jettison these people in favour of those on the casual market that proved lucrative for a very finite amount of time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holographic Universe Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 8 hours ago, RussTCB said: Plenty of people "like" Guns N Roses. They have millions of casual fans. However, the casual fans only wanted to see Axl & Slash on the same stage. They've already seen that, sometimes several times in big markets. GN'R have exhausted the casual market for ticket sales. Massive amounts of people aren't going to pay to see the same show again, which was proven by embarrassingly low pre pandemic ticket sales. It really is the same show, too. It didn’t used to other me until I was watching U2 DVD the other night night. U2 pretty much play to casuals at this point, but they produce new music and have a new tech savy stage set up for every tour. GNR have been essentially using the same stage since UYI. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said: It really is the same show, too. It didn’t used to other me until I was watching U2 DVD the other night night. U2 pretty much play to casuals at this point, but they produce new music and have a new tech savy stage set up for every tour. GNR have been essentially using the same stage since UYI. I went to see U2 in their last tour, and I'm not that much of a fan....but to be honest I was impressed how LITTLE they played for casuals. There were a few hits in there, but a lot of new stuff, lesser played older stuff etc. They managed to play barely any of the U2 songs I like....but I was absolutely fine with that as it meant the show didn't seem 'by numbers'. Made me wish I was a bigger fan of theirs to be honest! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin82 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 That screen U2 got is amazing proper amazing show hopefully 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legendador Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 On 1/9/2021 at 5:51 PM, swishtz said: Chance of catching Covid-19 from surfaces less than previously thought, scientists claim | ITV News Ok, OK! Your source is a Google Search that led to a "very well-known" local entertainment website? LMFAO At least search for the Harvad Study saying you're completely wrong. From my end here, I'm done! Peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickS77 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 On 1/10/2021 at 12:37 PM, JimiRose said: Yes, because that's what every other band in history does. You release an album, then tour that album live, with a selection of your greatest hits for 1-2 years. then go back into the studio write a new one and repeat. It's a tried and trusted system! GnR are just lazy amateurs. Maybe you overestimate though how many casuals actually want new songs. How many casuals do want to pay a shit load for a ticket to go to a show that features 5 songs they don't know. Casuals do not flock to check out new albums. To many of those casuals new songs are bathroom/bar breaks as, let's face it, the likelyhood that those songs really stand up with the classics, is rather slim at this point. So really, the ones clamoring for new songs are the die hards. Not the casuals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legendador Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, PatrickS77 said: Maybe you overestimate though how many casuals actually want new songs. How many casuals do want to pay a shit load for a ticket to go to a show that features 5 songs they don't know. Casuals do not flock to check out new albums. To many of those casuals new songs are bathroom/bar breaks as, let's face it, the likelyhood that those songs really stand up with the classics, is rather slim at this point. So really, the ones clamoring for new songs are the die hards. Not the casuals. Well, but by your rationale why did Metallica released anything after the Black Album, or Ozzy after No More Tears? It does not make sense! They don't release anything because they don't want to dilute the legacy! If Chinese Democracy was as a commercial success as at least Lies / The Illusions we would have at least 2 to 3 records already! Chinese Democracy < than Teh Spaghetti Incident. Now imagine if they release another commercial flop? There's no more time left to fully reinvent themselves like Metallica did after Load and Reload or even Lulu. There's no time left (they are older than The Rolling Stones when they released Voodo Lounge, or Aerosmith when they released Honkin' on Bobo) and the 2021 casuals are the ones ruling what's next. Edited January 11, 2021 by Legendador 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 When all is said and done (…), all they can/should do is release a new record, incorporate the new tracks into the live playlist (+ Axl to heal his throat), release some videos etc., and hope for the best. Yes, they’ve pissed many opportunities away with their timing and secrecy and bad management and all that shit. But they need to release and play new music plus cater to the older fans as well. And since it wasn’t a problem at the UYI Tour and neither during the CD era, it shouldn’t be a problem now either. We just overthink it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumandraisin Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Tbf what are we really missing out on. Watching Axl wheeze his way through the same set? Watching Slash on autopilot? Possibly a new ACDC cover to juftify the next chapter tour name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legendador Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, jamillos said: When all is said and done (…), all they can/should do is release a new record, incorporate the new tracks into the live playlist (+ Axl to heal his throat), release some videos etc., and hope for the best. Yes, they’ve pissed many opportunities away with their timing and secrecy and bad management and all that shit. But they need to release and play new music plus cater to the older fans as well. And since it wasn’t a problem at the UYI Tour and neither during the CD era, it shouldn’t be a problem now either. We just overthink it. I doubt there would be any videos, other than live performances, they are two expensive and people don't watch them anymore,. About Axl's throat, I know it could be a surprise for you to kow that there's nothing wrong with it. He choses to sing like that for GNR, just listen to all his performances with AC/DC, full on 1992 / 2006 rasp there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickS77 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Legendador said: Well, but by your rationale why did Metallica released anything after the Black Album, or Ozzy after No More Tears? Because they wanted to?? There are artists who actually want to release stuff. That doesn't have anything to do with how a casual will feel. And if you are talking about quality, there are plenty, especially casuals, who only hear the singles if anything, who feel it went all downhill after those mentioned albums. Some would say, the quoted albums are already part of the downwards slope. Edited January 11, 2021 by PatrickS77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legendador Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said: Because they wanted to?? There are artists who actually want to release stuff. That doesn't have anything to do with how a casual will feel. And if you are talking about quality, there are plenty, especially casuals, who hear the singles if anything, who feel it went all downhill after those mentioned albums. Some would say, the quoted albums are already part of the downwards slope. See, so by what your saying, GNR is doing nothing for the hardcore fans, but also nothing for the casuals! B-O-R-I-N-G!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickS77 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Legendador said: See, so by what your saying, GNR is doing nothing for the hardcore fans, but also nothing for the casuals! B-O-R-I-N-G!!! No. What I'm saying is, that casuals wouldn't care too much about new stuff and that you overstate the importance of it and the people who are looking for new stuff are mainly the die hards, who are a minority in the stadiums. Point is, they wouldn't gain too much by actually releasing new stuff, as the majority won't give a shit, unless it's as great as AFD. Edited January 11, 2021 by PatrickS77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) On 1/9/2021 at 1:24 PM, Legendador said: Based on what you're saying that? Why do you think we're using hand sanitizers and alchool gel? Just for the fun of it? Could be the same reason wearing masks is now pushed, as opposed to discouraged as it was before. Because it "might" help. Edited January 11, 2021 by Sweersa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legendador Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Sweersa said: Could be the same reason wearing masks is now pushed, as opposed to discouraged as it was before. Because it "might" help. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT???? Bye and have a nice day! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said: No. What I'm saying is, that casuals wouldn't care too much about new stuff and that you overstate the importance of it and the people who are looking for new stuff are mainly the die hards, who are a minority in the stadiums. Point is, they wouldn't gain too much by actually releasing new stuff, as the majority won't give a shit, unless it's as great as AFD. Casual fans dont have any interest in seeing the same show more than once. If they know, they're getting something comepletely new, they'll be more tempted. 3 minutes ago, Sweersa said: Could be the same reason wearing masks is now pushed, as opposed to discouraged as it was before. Because it "might" help. Oh boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 21 minutes ago, Legendador said: I doubt there would be any videos, other than live performances, they are two expensive and people don't watch them anymore,. About Axl's throat, I know it could be a surprise for you to kow that there's nothing wrong with it. He choses to sing like that for GNR, just listen to all his performances with AC/DC, full on 1992 / 2006 rasp there! No, and let's not start this discussion again really. He got audibly worse between 2016 and 2019/20. I blame AC/DC. He can barely sing in the 2019 videos; it's not rasp, just gargling - he definitely doesn't choose that. As for the videos, well, again - if others can do it, so should they. After all, they made half a billion in some 2 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legendador Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, jamillos said: No, and let's not start this discussion again really. He got audibly worse between 2016 and 2019/20. I blame AC/DC. He can barely sing in the 2019 videos; it's not rasp, just gargling - he definitely doesn't choose that. As for the videos, well, again - if others can do it, so should they. After all, they made half a billion in some 2 years... R&B an Hip Hop, POP videos OK, rock videos NOT IN THIS LIFETIME anymore hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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