The "New Album" Thread. Thanks to the long ass thread, I’m going home!

[CAFC Nick]

On 7/17/2023 at 7:42 PM, Voodoochild said:

True, there is a faint solo that still can be heard (wonder why, seems like it may have a reverb layer forgotten by Caram/Axl). Still, it could be just some comped solo from several different takes, maybe from other songs too, and that's why Axl wanted to replace it with Bumble. Bucket's Scraped outro is awesome, but it's clearly at least 2 different takes combined. There's also some of his lead work that were resampled and used as some kind of synth effect - again, Scraped has it in the ending/outro after his own solo (it can be clearly heard on the stems, sound like a guitar lick looped and harmonized in layers) and Prostitute (that bit that plays when the full instrumentation ends and the mellow piano part starts). 

Sorry to bring this one back up, just had a bit of an epiphany about it this morning 

Your comment has been on my mind for a while and you're absolutely correct about the comping of solos. As much as I think TWAT is the greatest GN'R solo (not the most iconic, but the best), I think it's fair to say its comped from different takes rather than one long untampered Bucket solo. However, I think it is safe to say there were some changes from the demos in Village sessions to the final cut. Case in point - Sorry. Whilst the vast majority of Sorry stayed the same, structure etc, the solo was re-recorded by Bucket so based on this I think it is a reasonable assumption to say that there was an "updated" demo of Shackler's, albeit without vocals, that was created post-Shanklers.

[Stro]

Of course there was an updated demo of Shackler's. It's a different key, tempo, and rhythm to the riff in Shankler's. You can't sample and chop up Shankler's to get Shackler's. 

 

My conspiracy theory is that the first half of Bucket's TWAT solo was actually pieced together from the period where Robin was out and Axl had Bucket replace all of Robin's leads.

[CAFC Nick]

26 minutes ago, Stro said:

Of course there was an updated demo of Shackler's. It's a different key, tempo, and rhythm to the riff in Shankler's. You can't sample and chop up Shankler's to get Shackler's. 

 

My conspiracy theory is that the first half of Bucket's TWAT solo was actually pieced together from the period where Robin was out and Axl had Bucket replace all of Robin's leads.

No but I mean a proper Bucket version.

We don’t have definitive confirmation that the rhythm guitarists on Shackler’s are indeed Bucket. For example, the rhythm guitar was updated between antiquiet leaks and CD for Rhiad, leading to speculation that it was re-recorded by BBF. So, think it’s possible the final version of Shackler’s is Bucket’s composition but not his playing.

[SoulMonster]

6 minutes ago, CAFC Nick said:

No but I mean a proper Bucket version.

We don’t have definitive confirmation that the rhythm guitarists on Shackler’s are indeed Bucket. For example, the rhythm guitar was updated between antiquiet leaks and CD for Rhiad, leading to speculation that it was re-recorded by BBF. So, think it’s possible the final version of Shackler’s is Bucket’s composition but not his playing.

Isn't Bumblefoot stating that all the rhythm on Shackler's is by him in the first quote here? (57) Shackler's Revenge (a-4-d.com)

[SoulMonster]

1 minute ago, SoulMonster said:

Isn't Bumblefoot stating that all the rhythm on Shackler's is by him in the first quote here? (57) Shackler's Revenge (a-4-d.com)

Hmm, in one of the later quotes there he says that Bucket's rhythms were intact:

"The final mix was Bucket's main rhythms & whammy parts in chorus, I did fretless riffs in verses, rhythms in the rest, and all the soloing throughout....."

[CAFC Nick]

3 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Isn't Bumblefoot stating that all the rhythm on Shackler's is by him in the first quote here? (57) Shackler's Revenge (a-4-d.com)

Thanks for sharing that, had never seen that quote before!

Edited August 14, 2023 by CAFC Nick

[CAFC Nick]

4 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Hmm, in one of the later quotes there he says that Bucket's rhythms were intact:

"The final mix was Bucket's main rhythms & whammy parts in chorus, I did fretless riffs in verses, rhythms in the rest, and all the soloing throughout....."

Yeah in the multitracks the proper wah bits sounded very Bucket but couldn’t say for sure. Looks like another zombie approach of layering guitars on guitars. 

If no leaks had ever taken place with Rhiad, maybe we would be arguing over whether there was ever a Bucket/Robin version of them also.

Based on this I think there is a ‘Bucket’ version of Shackler’s somewhere in the vault. Hopefully one day we can hear it.

[Amir]

Some of the greatest guitar solos of all time are comped from different takes:

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“I banged out five or six solos,” says Gilmour. “From there I just followed my usual procedure, which is to listen back to each solo and make a chart, noting which bits are good. Then, by following the chart, I create one great composite solo by whipping one fader up, then another fader, jumping from phrase to phrase until everything flows together. That’s the way we did it on ‘Comfortably Numb.’”

 

[GoodOlJohnnyK]

Re: the 'employee' discussion. Slash and Duff are voting partners in anything involving classic-era GnR, but I believe everything now is all Axl's, isn't it? Didn't they effectively segment the two sides of business? So, for example, if Axl wanted to release a live DVD featuring songs from Appetite and UYI, or any merch featuring the classic logos, he needed Slash and Duff's approval. But I believe that everything since then has been, technically, a different 'company.'

Whether or not they're employees, I don't believe Slash and Duff have the same voting powers or say in the band's current business decisions that they did in the original incarnation of the band. This, of course, is all my conjecture.

Also, it's almost moot - they rejoined the band with different perspectives. I don't think they really care about releasing new music as Guns N' Roses. They'd rather just get along with their old friend Axl, play arenas and stadiums, and keep the peace and the money flowing. That's why they don't sound as clued-in as we'd expect them to be - they probably aren't, and I don't think it bothers them.

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In other news, I *really* don't get the love for Buckethead. People complain that Slash overplays now and it's all just a bunch of mindless notes, but then yearn for the days of...Buckethead or even Bumblefoot? They're two of the most mindless shredders of them all. The only solo Buckethead has done that I could appreciate is TWAT. Everything else is just gratuitous fretboard porn. The only other solos on Chinese Democracy worth a damn are Robin Finck's.

[NachoLZ]

When does this year's tour end? To have some kind of date of The General, same as Hard Skool that was released near the end of the 2021 tour.

[We love Axl Rose]

5 minutes ago, NachoLZ said:

When does this year's tour end? 

Vancouver, October 16.

[GoodOlJohnnyK]

5 minutes ago, NachoLZ said:

When does this year's tour end? To have some kind of date of The General, same as Hard Skool that was released near the end of the 2021 tour.

The North American leg runs through mid-October.

[rocknroll41]

1 hour ago, GoodOlJohnnyK said:

The North American leg runs through mid-October.

Was t sure where to ask this, but since you brought it up, I saw somewhere that the band is gonna “take a break for 5 years” after this tour…

Anyone here know if that’s true?

[kingcanyon]

1 minute ago, rocknroll41 said:

Was t sure where to ask this, but since you brought it up, I saw somewhere that the band is gonna “take a break for 5 years” after this tour…

Anyone here know if that’s true?

5 years!!! I've personally seen nothing myself on that but if so then they'd have to write & release stuff

[GoodOlJohnnyK]

25 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Was t sure where to ask this, but since you brought it up, I saw somewhere that the band is gonna “take a break for 5 years” after this tour…

Anyone here know if that’s true?

I haven’t read anything like that, so I doubt it very much.

That would be the end of the band, more or less. Axl’s voice sounds awful now, I can’t imagine what 5 extra years are going to do to it. 

66 year old Guns N’ Roses will not be a Stones-like concert draw, trust me.

[kingcanyon]

11 minutes ago, GoodOlJohnnyK said:

I haven’t read anything like that, so I doubt it very much.

That would be the end of the band, more or less. Axl’s voice sounds awful now, I can’t imagine what 5 extra years are going to do to it. 

66 year old Guns N’ Roses will not be a Stones-like concert draw, trust me.

Axl could have a vocal comeback if he takes 5 years of. Who thought in 2014 that he was done and his voice would never come then 2016 happened and he came back better than he had a couple of years before. 

Axl has surprised us many times in the past and I'd expect him to surprise at least one more time before he retires

[rocknroll41]

24 minutes ago, GoodOlJohnnyK said:

I haven’t read anything like that, so I doubt it very much.

That would be the end of the band, more or less. Axl’s voice sounds awful now, I can’t imagine what 5 extra years are going to do to it. 

66 year old Guns N’ Roses will not be a Stones-like concert draw, trust me.

Yeah someone tracked it down and apparently it’s just some Brazilian “journalist” making shit up. So nevermind.

[inho]

On 8/9/2023 at 8:09 AM, Arnuld said:

I truly believe this band makes people insane. I’ve been coming to these boards for years and I’ve seen it again and again. The greatness of those early records coupled with the insane wait for Chinese, coupled with the pockets of brilliance on Chinese and then no CD2 and only a couple of officially released singles has made a small sub set of the fan base completely bonkers. Look no further than the rolling stone article of Rick and the locker saga. I’ve always wondered are any other fan bases like this? 

Good post I hadn’t read that rolling stone article it’s fucking wild and a great read

 

the remix album should have been released 

I love better “gone”

and if the world with the batshit samples 

Edited August 14, 2023 by inho

[GoodOlJohnnyK]

26 minutes ago, kingcanyon said:

Axl could have a vocal comeback if he takes 5 years of. Who thought in 2014 that he was done and his voice would never come then 2016 happened and he came back better than he had a couple of years before. 

Axl has surprised us many times in the past and I'd expect him to surprise at least one more time before he retires

Could be, but it's more than just his vocal quality. 5 years off is 5 more years out of the spotlight and 5 more years of irrelevance. If they take 5 years off, I'd doubt they'd be able to come back to fill baseball parks - especially not in the USA.

[Blackstar]

1 hour ago, rocknroll41 said:

Yeah someone tracked it down and apparently it’s just some Brazilian “journalist” making shit up. So nevermind.

Yes, this sounds like total bs.

However, I can see them going on hiatus for the next couple of years. Slash is going to resume his tour with SMKC in early 2024 and then he'll release and tour his new solo album (Susan - again - gave the news about Slash's solo tour away on one of Duff's recent radio shows, lol).

 

Edited August 14, 2023 by Blackstar

[MaskingApathy]

3 hours ago, Blackstar said:

(Susan - again - gave the news about Slash's solo tour away on one of Duff's recent radio shows, lol).

What did she say?

[Blackstar]

11 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

What did she say?

They dedicated a song for Slash's birthday, and Susan said that they chose a bluesy song because Slash will do a "bluesy tour". Then Duff said "at some point", kind of like stopping her from giving away any details.

Edited August 14, 2023 by Blackstar

[rocknroll41]

25 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

They dedicated a song for Slash's birthday, and Susan said that they chose a bluesy song because Slash will do a "bluesy tour". Then Duff said "at some point", kind of like stopping her from giving away any details.

If slash does a tour in support of his new blues album then I’ll totally go see him. I wonder if Myles will still be the singer in that scenario, though. I know SMKC has some euro dates early next year, but Myles kinda hinted awhile back that SMKC is kinda winding down.

[Gordon Comstock]

I really hope Slash does a tour for his next solo album without Myles. He's the main reason I've never bothered seeing SMKC live.

Ideal situation would be that he tours with a couple bands like Dirty Honey, Ayron Jones, The Struts, etc. and has those singers come out for a few songs each.

[Uncle Bob]

6 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

Yeah someone tracked it down and apparently it’s just some Brazilian “journalist” making shit up. So nevermind.

That's Spanish lol