Blackstar Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, HollyWoodRose84 said: Elvis Presley and the Monster of Soul refers to when Axl was a kid listening to Presley, as that was one of his earliest influences, while also being abused by his stepfather. It all makes perfect sense that these are two songs that are intended to be heard together which then tells one complete story And Elvis Presley was the only rock music his stepfather allowed him to listen to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworth Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Blackstar said: And Elvis Presley was the only rock music his stepfather allowed him to listen to. That reminds me of that story where he'd get hit if he listened to Barry Manilow. That's so fucked up. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miden34 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 there are some part on Devious bastard that have a HARD slash vibe to them. the sound as close to slash for something that isnt on some parts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020_Intensions Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Bach didn't say The General was the sequel to Estranged .. He said that's what Axl told him, and Axl said it's the sequel lyrically, because it follows the theme of the short story that inspired Estranged and the November Rain music video. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GoForJMark Posted October 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2023 21 minutes ago, kitstuai said: Who is "we"? I think he is referring to we who think the world is round. Come on even Stevie Wonder can see Slash's curly hair all over these songs. Trying to push the idea that the licks and solos that have clear "Slash-isms" but aren't played by Slash doesn't make you cool. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony adler Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 36 minutes ago, DoMw94 said: Some very obvious things that people can't seem to grasp: It's one song, we have legal proof of this Slash is on it (or 'both' if you insist on that) What we have isn't a vinyl rip It's not a demo – what we'll get eventually will sound the same, the only difference will come from the quality of the file itself Seriously, the theories beforehand were bad enough, but now we have the songs the stuff some people are coming out with is downright baffling – it's all staring you in the face 😂 Amen and spot on Do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alejandro GNR Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 The chorus of “The General” is a fucking beasttt absolutely brutal…and the bridge of Monster too… Its just one song and I can get why anyone would reference Estranged…in the way they seem like 2 very clear different parts of the song. Thats the only similarity and Man, I think this stands for itself. It definetely sounds like a movie song or concept disc song a lá The Wall or Crimson Idol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgina Arriaga Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 What a beauty hearing Slash ripping in Monsters...that Is him...that song Is like David Bowie, Black Sabath and The Beatles Made a song together...awesome AND the vocals...marvelous. The General...Is hard to listen for the subject matter 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK6 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 7 hours ago, agustingloger said: The first time You Hear a song what makes You like it is the music not the lyrics. None of My musicians Friends liked it. They hate Axl's vocals effects. They did like monsters tough. And Perhaps/Hardskool. Absurd don't Oh well if you're "musician friends" don't like it then why are we even bothering 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 20 minutes ago, metalavenger99 said: This thing about the song names is fucking with my mind. And yes i have a lot of free time now. We've had this titles: Leave Me Alone, Soul Monster, Monstrocity(?), Elvis Presley and the Monster of Soul, Me & My Elvis, and now Monsters. It was believed that: Me & My Elvis = Elvis Presley and the Monster of Soul = Soul Monster. (And we know that the working title was Leave me Alone at an early point). Now it turns out that the song called "Elvis Presley and the Monster of Soul" which Axl confirmed to be Soul monster, is different than "Me and My Elvis" found on the storage leaks. Wtf are the odds of that. But whatever, now we know, that Soul Monster is a part of The General, or that it has been merged with The General or is the successor of it. But when did that happen? The General+Soul Monster = As epic as Estranged? For me they are up there but anyways, at least they are similar in length. Is there any chance that these two were combined before Bach said what he said? Otherwise why would he say it? (Yeah he is kind of a meme now because according to him "Sorry sounded like doom metal" but go to Youtube and listen to Sorry without vocals, so i personally don't think he is that stupid). I know there is a huge debate about wether the CD2 list is real or not, so i'm not gonna take "Monstrocity" into account. But what's the consensus now about Me&My Elvis? My bet is that someone mislabeled it on the disc that Zutaut kept for him...shame, i loved that name for that song even though we know nothing about the lyrics lol. Wait but this predates Beltrami's work... so maybe Me and My Elvis evolved into Leave me Alone but then Axl decided to use the old name back but adding "Soul". So finally, "Monsters" could have already existed at the same time as the rest of the Village demos, but as a rough idea, without the orchestration, and without vocals, and some dumbass mislabeled the completely unrelated instrumental we have on the village tapes as this. Am i forgetting any important facts? It basically doesn't matter anymore but this kind of speculation is worth a solid 50% of being a fan of this band lol The odds for Me and My Elvis and Soul Monster being the same song were equal to them being different songs. The word "Elvis" in the title was an just an indication that they could be the same song, however most people took it as evidence and turned it into a "fact", although there were also strong indications suggesting the contrary, like that, as per Axl, the earliest working title of Soul Monster (Leave Me Alone) didn't have "Elvis" in it. Me and My Elvis was probably just a random working title the band members that wrote the instrumental came up with, maybe an inside joke. It generally looks like that the earliest working titles were given by the band members in the case of tracks that originated from them and not Axl, whereas the tracks that originated from Axl and developed by the band had working titles that he gave them (e.g. Jackie Chan, Oklahoma); and then Axl would either change or keep the same working title the band members came up with when he would start working on the lyrics. So it seems that Soul Monster was originally Leave Me Alone (working title) adn then Axl changed it to Elvis Presley and The Monster Of Soul when he started working on the lyrics or at least had the subject matter in his mind. And the song probably was part of the same batch of Brain tracks The General and Seven were from. Axl seemed to refer to The General and Soul Monster as two separate songs in 2008, so it was definitely after that point that were probably paired into a two-part suite. Bach didn't compare the General to Estranged in terms of "epicness", he just said that Axl told him it was a sequel to Estranged, presumably lyrically. As for what became of Me and My Elvis, who knows. Maybe it was completed under another title, maybe not. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alangarcianr Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I just heard the general with headphones (I was on a short trip for 2 days) what a fucking beast of a song… I really like how the guitars are loud in the mix, they just punch you in the face in the chorus I really like the lyrics of both songs too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNFNRUK Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, WhazUp said: Oh yeah Slash should have been more faithful to the era and add fretless elephant noises nobody cares about to the middle section lol Oh come on, we all love the wanking robot during the breakdown of ‘Better’!! 🤖 💦 Edited October 30, 2023 by GNFNRUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
©GnrPersia Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 6 hours ago, DannyVinyard said: If Axl didn't no-show Philly 2002, they could have taken the world by storm. That band had so much talent, potential, and who knows how high of a ceiling. The Philly no show, which triggered the tour being cancelled as well as Buckethead leaving, is what doomed NuGNR. Very well said. Thank you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK6 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Slugworth said: So it formed from two separate songs, leaked as two separate songs, but you're not sure why people are continuing to discuss these as two separate songs? It's like schrodingers cat!! Its 1 song definitely but its also 2 songs. No reason for anyone to be confused! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalavenger99 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, 2020_Intensions said: Bach didn't say The General was the sequel to Estranged .. He said that's what Axl told him, and Axl said it's the sequel lyrically, because it follows the theme of the short story that inspired Estranged and the November Rain music video. 7 minutes ago, Blackstar said: Axl seemed to refer to The General and Soul Monster as two separate songs in 2008, so it was definitely after that point that were probably paired into a two-part suite. Bach didn't compare the General to Estranged in terms of "epicness", he just said that Axl told him it was a sequel to Estranged, presumably lyrically. Oh shit i knew i was off about something. Now, how in Axl's mind TG had anything to do with Estranged is what i don't get at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
©GnrPersia Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 minute ago, GNFNRUK said: Oh come on, we all love the wanking robot during the breakdown of ‘Better’!! 🤖 💦 It's quite a talent to make a wanking robot sound in addition to the thousand other techniques he knew. Better than jerking off the same blues guitar over & over ;-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNFNRUK Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 minute ago, ©GnrPersia said: It's quite a talent to make a wanking robot sound in addition to the thousand other techniques he knew. Better than jerking off the same blues guitar over & over ;-) You’re preaching to the choir, I am a MASSIVE Buckethead fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlisOld Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 hours ago, GNR 1991 said: Ya, GnR fans are praising a newly leaked GnR song. Go figure. Yes. Praising one that has been built up to mythical status over the years. That sucks dong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfTheWave Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 The General chorus has got to be one of the rawest, most emotional Axl moments ever. I get that people might not like the more industrial style and the effects but WTF are people thinking saying it's a throwaway? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WhazUp Posted October 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2023 ^^ Mygnrforum: the home of the only 5 people in the world who think Slash shouldn't be in GNR 3 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blackstar Posted October 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2023 6 hours ago, DannyVinyard said: If Axl didn't no-show Philly 2002, they could have taken the world by storm. That band had so much talent, potential, and who knows how high of a ceiling. The Philly no show, which triggered the tour being cancelled as well as Buckethead leaving, is what doomed NuGNR. Yes, the lineup Axl had recruited was talented. And yes, if there wasn't the no-show in Philly, maybe Buckethead wouldn't have left (and also the album would have probably been released sooner). But no, they wouldn't have taken the world by storm. That's just a fantasy. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyVinyard Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 minute ago, WhazUp said: ^^ Mygnrforum: the home of the only 5 people in the world who think Slash shouldn't be in GNR I mean, all he's done since the reunion is deliver zero new tunes and rip off fans with a non-stop cash grab tour of the oldies. 7 years and no new music (releasing songs created by NuGNR doesn't count). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DoMw94 Posted October 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, DannyVinyard said: I mean, all he's done since the reunion is deliver zero new tunes and rip off fans with a non-stop cash grab tour of the oldies. 7 years and no new music (releasing songs created by NuGNR doesn't count). And that's solely on Slash is it? He has actually delivered two full albums plus a handful of guest appearances, while touring almost constantly since the reunion. But yeah, let's place the blame of GN'R's lack of studio activity on Slash 😂 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoForJMark Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, DannyVinyard said: deliver zero new tunes and whose fault is that? 5 minutes ago, DannyVinyard said: rip off fans with a non-stop cash grab tour ask those who attended the shows if how many of them felt ripped off, because I've been to one and never felt ripped off. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
©GnrPersia Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, DannyVinyard said: I mean, all he's done since the reunion is deliver zero new tunes and rip off fans with a non-stop cash grab tour of the oldies. 7 years and no new music (releasing songs created by NuGNR doesn't count). What bothers me the most is the NuGnr haters keep making fun of that era while enjoying the CD leftovers. At least don't shit where you eat you ugrateful bunch 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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