"The General" is officially delayed... but "The General" AND "Monsters" is (unofficially) out of the bag

[BucketEgg]

Do vinyl singles have liner notes? Do you think this vinyl single will have any?

[chorrada]

Wanted to go back to listen to the Vienna phone recording. Seems like I lost it, which is too bad. Too baaad.

[Cosmo]

Just listened to the Cellphone clip for the first time in ages. I sounds a lot like the Evader version.

[DoMw94]

38 minutes ago, alangarcianr said:

3 days away and zero promotioN

not even a single mention on instagram or anything

even an animated teaser with some cool artwork will do it

This again? 🤦‍♂️

There's been plenty of promotion... for Perhaps, y'know, the actual single. The General is not a single, has never been designated a single, and likely never will, either.

We know this. We've known this since we found out the song was coming. It's not ground that needs retreading every day

[Free Bird]

1 hour ago, GNR 1991 said:

I think it would be funny if the song was only 3.5-4 mins long. People might lose their shit.

Look at the past three releases, none of them even get to the 4 min mark. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the same case for The General. 

With 2.5 minutes of it being this weird ass intro/orchestration. 

[Live Like a Suicide]

On 10/16/2023 at 4:07 AM, siraddam said:

Seen this one on YouTube a few times today - sounds legit! 

Just thought i would go back and quote this. This was a video of Evader's interpretation that has since been removed (seemingly voluntarily, though not discounting the possibility that this video got flagged before that removal). It seems that The General videos have been consistently voluntarily removed and/or forcefully taken down from Soundcloud, YouTube, etc. We did see similar movement prior to Perhaps being released.

[GNFNRUK]

28 minutes ago, DannyVinyard said:

I am not worried about the length of the song. I am worried that Slash's replacement solos will suck. 

This is my worry too, although I guess we won’t know any different since we’ve never heard the original.

If Buckethead played on this originally I think it’s safe to say whatever he played would have been far superior to what Slash has come up with though.

Imagine if we’d never heard the original TWAT and that beautiful bucket outro solo had been replaced by 2 minutes of Slash’s noodling, that really would have been a tragedy.

[colonizedmind]

NOVEMBER RAIN 7" (Only.Springsteen, Deep Purple and LedZep have put out similar lengths on 7" before)

Just thought I'd dump this here, since there has been a ton of arguments that it can't be over 5 minutes or it won't be 10 minutes, etc...it can be what they want BUT if you want good quality, it wiill most likely suffer....

Also gives you folk without record players an idea of the SQ you'll be hearing sans a download....

 

Edited October 24, 2023 by colonizedmind

[DoMw94]

10 minutes ago, Cosmo said:

Just listened to the Cellphone clip for the first time in ages. I sounds a lot like the Evader version.

Because it's what the Evader version is based off 😂

But the cell phone clip is far from clear, so we're still pretty clueless as to what it actually sounds like, if we're being totally realistic

[BucketEgg]

3 minutes ago, colonizedmind said:

Just thought I'd dump this here, since there has been a ton of arguments that it can't be over 5 minutes or it won't be 10 minutes, etc...it can be what they want BUT if you want good quality, it wiill most likely suffer....

 

If The General ends up being a longer song, then with all that room, maybe they'll hide My World 2  a secret track on the Perhaps side! 

 

[El Guapo]

5 minutes ago, GNFNRUK said:

This is my worry too, although I guess we won’t know any different since we’ve never heard the original.

If Buckethead played on this originally I think it’s safe to say whatever he played would have been far superior to what Slash has come up with though.

Imagine if we’d never heard the original TWAT and that beautiful bucket outro solo had been replaced by 2 minutes of Slash’s noodling, that really would have been a tragedy.

This is getting really stupid now XD

[Cosmo]

4 minutes ago, DoMw94 said:

Because it's what the Evader version is based off 😂

But the cell phone clip is far from clear, so we're still pretty clueless as to what it actually sounds like, if we're being totally realistic

Yes, I know. I'm just aligning my expectations with reality - it's probably gonna sound a bit like the Evader version, in some level.

[Dummy]

NEW GREEN DAY ALBUM COMING

 

EXCITING!!!!!

 

Fuck the general

[colonizedmind]

7 minutes ago, BucketEgg said:

If The General ends up being a longer song, then with all that room, maybe they'll hide My World 2  a secret track on the Perhaps side! 

 

Ya that's where the MSL diss track is going...it's been in the locker for a LONG time!

[Axls_Moustache_Rules]

It's going to have the best chorus since 2008's Better ..

"Oooo hooo" 

[Coma16]

24 minutes ago, colonizedmind said:

NOVEMBER RAIN 7" (Only.Springsteen, Deep Purple and LedZep have put out similar lengths on 7" before)

Just thought I'd dump this here, since there has been a ton of arguments that it can't be over 5 minutes or it won't be 10 minutes, etc...it can be what they want BUT if you want good quality, it wiill most likely suffer....

Also gives you folk withput record players an idea of the SQ you'll be hearing sans a download....

 

I admit my ears aren't the best at this but are those videos supposed to sound bad?

[Gunner55]

16 minutes ago, Dummy said:

NEW GREEN DAY ALBUM COMING

 

EXCITING!!!!!

 

Fuck the general

The first song one my 1 listen this morning did very little for me, but I've had that feeling with them since anything after 21st Century Breakdown

Edited October 24, 2023 by Gunner55

[Barlog]

The word on the street is that all the Bucket's parts have been replaced with one long-ass DJ Ashba solo with Slash just noodling in the background to spice things up.

[Powerage5]

This is going back a page or two at this point, and it was off topic to begin with. But since it dominated about 10 pages worth of discussion…

I had definitely heard the title Perhaps before the song leaked in 2019. I can’t say for certain where (Maybe it was the list from MSL?) or when, but it was a long time ago. When it first leaked I remember scouring the GN’R sites looking for earlier references to the song title without any luck - I had originally thought it was a song title that eventually got debunked, mentioned in the same breaths as 2,000 Intentions, Cock-A-Roach Soup, etc. But it was pretty easy to find that wasn’t the case. Some sort of info MSL put out there in the early 2010’s seems next most likely, as it wasn’t a song title @Dexter was asked about when he confirmed song titles from a list of rumors. The other reason MSL as a source makes sense is a lot of his postings have been scrubbed from the internet, both here and elsewhere. At the time of that data dump from him we were handling moderation differently than we do now (we used to actually delete posts, nowadays we only hide them so that we still have a permanent record of anything we need to take down) so it would be hard to find anything on here, m.sl doesn’t exist anymore, and he got banned from at least a couple other forums at the time too. 
 

For the record I’m not really someone that’s privy to any sort of info that isn’t public knowledge. It’s possible I got shown a screenshot at some point by somebody in private but that doesn’t ring any bells with me. But I’m absolutely certain I’d heard that song title well before 2019. 

[jacdaniel]

1 hour ago, DannyVinyard said:

I am not worried about the length of the song. I am worried that Slash's replacement solos will suck. 

If you don't like Slash's solos then this band probably isn't for you... 

[Uncle Bob]

38 minutes ago, Dummy said:

NEW GREEN DAY ALBUM COMING

 

EXCITING!!!!!

 

Fuck the general

NEW MGMT ALBUM COMING NEXT MONTH!!!

Fuck GNR

[DannyVinyard]

Just now, jacdaniel said:

If you don't like Slash's solos then this band probably isn't for you... 

What if you love his work from AFD and UYI, but hate his inferior CD replacement solos?

[bumbleslash69]

52 minutes ago, colonizedmind said:

NOVEMBER RAIN 7" (Only.Springsteen, Deep Purple and LedZep have put out similar lengths on 7" before)

Just thought I'd dump this here, since there has been a ton of arguments that it can't be over 5 minutes or it won't be 10 minutes, etc...it can be what they want BUT if you want good quality, it wiill most likely suffer....

 

There are definitely were a lot of long songs on 45s back in the day. Even in the 60s with something like American Pie they've been around. From being a big Bruce fan, I think there was a very particular process in both the mastering and pressing of the Fire 7" with the 10+ minute Incident on 57th Street. It's pretty widely regarded as a poor quality recording of one of the fanbase's most popular tracks. Likely true for all the Free Birds and November Rains laid to wax. The thing is, while records are in style and widely available now, there isn't much effort put into making them the definitive source of the material. The General is likely exported off a computer and compressed to fit whatever commercial available records they chose to press. Probably no extra measures were made to fit a longer than average song on that 7". Not that it can't be grand or epic in under 6 minutes. 

[Eric Cantona]

I wonder if there's a way to use https://archive.org/web/ to find a picture of the list posted before 2019.

[Lelex95]

2 hours ago, BucketEgg said:

This Beach Boys song is only around 4 minutes long but still feels like a bit of a journey. If The General is only this long but uses its time well, then maybe it won't be so bad. (But I hope that it would be longer)

Right, you didn’t just post one of the best songs ever written. 
if guns n rose can somehow write a song as good as that I’d be checking for flying pigs as soon as I hear it.