Gunner Gilby Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 25 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: As for experience, is your argument that they are inexperienced today or back when they got the job? Today they surely aren't. And claiming that Beta went from housekeeper to manager overnight back in 2011 is ignorant at best. She was Axl's PA for years prior to that. You can argue she was eased into the job and that being a manager to GN'R isn't much different to being Axl's PA. He makes the decisions. As for your claim that having someone more experienced and "equal" to Axl will get more out of him. Here is the short answer to that: Haha! And here is the long answer: Hahahaha! For more context, read the history of the band and all the accomplished managers who came and went. No disrespect to Beta. Yeah her promotion to now former manager was gradual. I'm sure the same was the case for Fernando. If they've acquired all this experience then it's pretty embarrassing. I'm familiar of the history of past managers. At least between say 86-99 we got a bunch of studio albums, a live album, a concert on two videos and three making of videos. What have we gotten from TB's era of management? The Chinese Democracy album, Appetite For Democracy two years after the shows and several very pricey editions of Appetite and Illusions each released a year after their actual anniversaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 7 hours ago, Gunner Gilby said: No disrespect to Beta. Yeah her promotion to now former manager was gradual. I'm sure the same was the case for Fernando. If they've acquired all this experience then it's pretty embarrassing. I'm familiar of the history of past managers. At least between say 86-99 we got a bunch of studio albums, a live album, a concert on two videos and three making of videos. What have we gotten from TB's era of management? The Chinese Democracy album, Appetite For Democracy two years after the shows and several very pricey editions of Appetite and Illusions each released a year after their actual anniversaries. Team Brazil was not the manager team when Chinese Democracy came out. You really should look into the history of this. My point is that since Axl took control of GN'R, no manager -- distinguished or less experienced -- have been able to force him to do something he doesn't want to do. Blaming TB for lack of releases is ridiculous, more experienced and renowned managers weren't able to do that, either. It seems to me Axl manages himself now and rely on the "managers" to realize his plans, whatever they might be. They are more like executives or assistants and don't have any sway over Axl, and as soon as they do try moving him in specific directions they risk getting booted out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 11 hours ago, Gunner Gilby said: No disrespect to Beta. Yeah her promotion to now former manager was gradual. I'm sure the same was the case for Fernando. If they've acquired all this experience then it's pretty embarrassing. I'm familiar of the history of past managers. At least between say 86-99 we got a bunch of studio albums, a live album, a concert on two videos and three making of videos. What have we gotten from TB's era of management? The Chinese Democracy album, Appetite For Democracy two years after the shows and several very pricey editions of Appetite and Illusions each released a year after their actual anniversaries. No, as I understood it, she told Axl: Me and my family will be managing everything now. If you say no, we're leaving. Nothing gradual about it. I personally think anyone would be a better manager after all the experience they've had, even with no formal education. They seem to get everything wrong all the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, Lio said: No, as I understood it, she told Axl: Me and my family will be managing everything now. If you say no, we're leaving. The transition from personal assistant to manager was of course instantaneous. There are no degrees to changing a position. It happens with a swift signature on a contract. But the transition from housekeeper duties to management duties was a gradual one, with Beta getting more and more involved in Axl's business over many years, especially as his PA, before she eventually became the manager. As I pointed out earlier, being a manager to GN'R is more akin to being an assistant in that you are not really empowered to make band decisions on behalf of your client, you are told what to do and try to execute on that as best as possible. Looking back at these years with Team Brazil, I don't think much went wrong when Beta was part of it. In fact, touring has never been so smooth as it has. You can argue that more things have gone wrong lately, after Fernando took over sole responsibility. Still, the most frequent criticism I see directed at TB is the lack of releases, and I don't think they can be blamed for that. Nor the lack of communication which is an expressed will from Axl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Bob Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: The transition from personal assistant to manager was of course instantaneous. There are no degrees to changing a position. It happens with a swift signature on a contract. But the transition from housekeeper duties to management duties was a gradual one, with Beta getting more and more involved in Axl's business over many years, especially as his PA, before she eventually became the manager. As I pointed out earlier, being a manager to GN'R is more akin to being an assistant in that you are not really empowered to make band decisions on behalf of your client, you are told what to do and try to execute on that as best as possible. Looking back at these years with Team Brazil, I don't think much went wrong when Beta was part of it. In fact, touring has never been so smooth as it has. You can argue that more things have gone wrong lately, after Fernando took over sole responsibility. Still, the most frequent criticism I see directed at TB is the lack of releases, and I don't think they can be blamed for that. Nor the lack of communication which is an expressed will from Axl. I wonder if we will ever get any explanation of why he didn't release any follow up to CD in 15 years, just silence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Uncle Bob said: I wonder if we will ever get any explanation of why he didn't release any follow up to CD in 15 years, just silence. Maybe not. I have some guesses why but it would be interesting to hear it from Axl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Bob Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 1 minute ago, SoulMonster said: Maybe not. I have some guesses why but it would be interesting to hear it from Axl. Yeah, my guesses are him dealing with depression or some kind of mental health issues or having lost faith in making music due to his experiences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 I have removed all the off-topic posts, the talk of race, gender and being 'woke' can be discussed in the Anything Goes section. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambler Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Atlas & Monsters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavgnr Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 On 12/8/2023 at 6:59 PM, DingBat said: They should release whatever they have on an EP and be done with it. Agreed, the drip feed release is old hat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riot Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 If it was my band: Release atlas, monsters, state of grace and any finished reworked chinese song all at once including previous 4 singles. Make it one chinese album. All that in like june. No need to be on tour. In the meantime write an e.p or l.p of completely new stuff from this band and release it juste before next tour. Be active guys. You're past 60's 😅 the end is near! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNROSAS Posted December 13, 2023 Author Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) Yes i agree. All the Chinese era reworked songs to be released in 2024 (including the 4 ones) as Chinese Democracy II or sth and be done with it. 2024 to bring a closure to that era, for everyone.🤞 Then 2025 focus on a new era of being trully creative again as a reunion band. Even maybe bring izzy just for the studio/writting purposes for a few songs if needs be, give him some writing credit too, though not necessarily involve him in the future long tours. Edited December 13, 2023 by GNROSAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvH Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 The multichannel mix of the Illusions by Steven Wilson ? Please ? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betterman Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 I go for Atlas and Monsters - both tracks might have some potential to hit outside of the hardcore fan-base. DO we actually know what the band is doing at the moment? Could they be in a studio now? It sounded like the plan earlier this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 11 hours ago, EvH said: The multichannel mix of the Illusions by Steven Wilson ? Please ? That's gone in the bin I imagine. Rotting away with everything else we wouldn't mind hearing. Even Steven Wilson was baffled as to why they'd pay him to do it then not release it! I suppose, knowing how tight GNR is, he was lucky to have been paid! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F*ck Fear Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/11/2023 at 2:25 PM, ZoSoRose said: Yup. It is time If it means new music, I say keep it going. At this rate, I think it's all we will ever get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonizedmind Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) On 12/14/2023 at 8:38 AM, betterman said: I go for Atlas and Monsters - both tracks might have some potential to hit outside of the hardcore fan-base. DO we actually know what the band is doing at the moment? Could they be in a studio now? It sounded like the plan earlier this year... Slash is riding BMX's..🚴 Axl has recharged the Burger Van. 🍔 Duff is being the adult and dealing with the plethora of lawyers...⚖️👨⚖️ Edited December 18, 2023 by colonizedmind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavgnr Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 I honestly can’t see this band creating something new from scratch. We know S & D would be up for that, but that’s where it ends. Best we can hope for? An album including the released singles together with some other unreleased CD era tracks. Tbh, I’d be happy with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betterman Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Monsters for next Halloween with a cool video! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTV88 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 On 12/13/2023 at 12:53 PM, riot said: If it was my band: Release atlas, monsters, state of grace and any finished reworked chinese song all at once including previous 4 singles. Make it one chinese album. All that in like june. No need to be on tour. In the meantime write an e.p or l.p of completely new stuff from this band and release it juste before next tour. Be active guys. You're past 60's 😅 the end is near! Exactly this, plus I’d add a live album and video from say 2016 with some added live spots of the new singles and covers as well as the official Perhaps video. And after hearing Monsters, I have a tiny bit of hope that maybe seven or another unheard CD leftover could be just as good! And I’d love to be surprised and hear that Oklahoma / Berlin has vocals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonizedmind Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 5:03 PM, allwaystired said: That's gone in the bin I imagine. Rotting away with everything else we wouldn't mind hearing. Even Steven Wilson was baffled as to why they'd pay him to do it then not release it! I suppose, knowing how tight GNR is, he was lucky to have been paid! Shocking that they paid for it and no doubt it sounds great, based on his form....my guess they're saving it for some fanclub gift (they still have all those live gigs mixed from 91-93 to use too) or double dip anniversaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 58 minutes ago, colonizedmind said: Shocking that they paid for it and no doubt it sounds great, based on his form....my guess they're saving it for some fanclub gift (they still have all those live gigs mixed from 91-93 to use too) or double dip anniversaries. My guess would genuinely be that it's been scrapped alongside all those other things we know they have but don't want to release. When Axl dies the floodgates will open as people look to continue to make money from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonizedmind Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 1 hour ago, allwaystired said: My guess would genuinely be that it's been scrapped alongside all those other things we know they have but don't want to release. When Axl dies the floodgates will open as people look to continue to make money from him. Do you think his will, will be everything to Team Brazil? Hoping there's a redheaded stepchild out there somewhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 22 minutes ago, colonizedmind said: Do you think his will, will be everything to Team Brazil? Hoping there's a redheaded stepchild out there somewhere! In my guess, I'd say yeah. I can't imagine anything else happening than that. I wouldn't be surprised though if there's arguments and chaos on regards to various rights things anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonizedmind Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, allwaystired said: In my guess, I'd say yeah. I can't imagine anything else happening than that. I wouldn't be surprised though if there's arguments and chaos on regards to various rights things anyway. An argument for 20 years or so from now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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