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VK.com can be a good alternative to youtube for us

Yeah VK is great. It's always been great for music. 

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Any brand new news on Guns N Roses takedowns?  I guess they have blocked or taken down most of the concert video from 2016 ans 2017 at this point. My channel is still down youtube never even gave me a response on my counternotification. I guess no news means we dont accept your counternotification and your channel stays down. Dicks!!

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Last I checked there's virtually no GNR tour footage of the last three years, in this day & age if your interested in something your gonna Google it or YouTube it. Seems so backwards. If they were put all GNR shows ever recorded audio or visual on there own website & stream em for a small fee then I'd understand but I don't see that happening. 

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There are some videos still online from the tour. But not many

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On 25/4/2019 at 12:47 AM, rebeldhipi said:

In Tallinn last year i saw the head of GNR security telling a guy holding a camera to stop filming (camera, not smarphone) His filming annoyed me cause it was disturbing my view. 

 

Probably pretty standard practice, but i remember it being a bit odd in 2018.

I saw another band in a club last november and a guy was recording the full show with a gopro, when it was reaching the last songs, the gorilla from the entrance (club staff, not related to the band) came to him and spoke angry to him for recording the show

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Conspiracy theory time.  Band management is fully behind the takedowns of the last three years because the band has zero intention of switching up the setlist and they want their 2019 shows to seem “new” to casual audiences. 

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7 hours ago, WAR41 said:

Conspiracy theory time.  Band management is fully behind the takedowns of the last three years because the band has zero intention of switching up the setlist and they want their 2019 shows to seem “new” to casual audiences. 

...or they realise how bad the performances sound and are doing us all a favour.

NITL tour down, next up: the Ashba era.

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I really don't understand why fans take this copyright removal stuff so personally. I mean, it's THEIR content. They have a right to any revenue generated from it and shouldn't be expect to give anything away for free. That's exactly why copyright protection exists. They aren't breaking the law. However, those using the content w/o permission are.

The real problem is, fans feel overly entitled. They've been getting away with illegal downloads and content use for so long that they just expect it to always be that way.

If the band decides to sit on all the content and not take advantage of the fan interest, again, that's THEIR prerogative.

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6 hours ago, thunderram said:

I really don't understand why fans take this copyright removal stuff so personally. I mean, it's THEIR content. They have a right to any revenue generated from it and shouldn't be expect to give anything away for free. That's exactly why copyright protection exists. They aren't breaking the law. However, those using the content w/o permission are.

The real problem is, fans feel overly entitled. They've been getting away with illegal downloads and content use for so long that they just expect it to always be that way.

If the band decides to sit on all the content and not take advantage of the fan interest, again, that's THEIR prerogative.

Lol I'm not taking it personally, but if somebody is not profiting from the content then what does it matter to the band?  It's free marketing.  When you have the band's own social media asking you for guitar/bass covers and then it gets flagged for copyright I think it's fair to assume there is a disconnect. 

As for fans being "overly entitled".  Lol, get out of here with that nonsense.  Finally the digital streaming industry is starting to figure out its business model.   I didn't buy the Locked N' Loaded set but I've listened to it with my Amazon Music Unlimited account several times. If you look at subscription numbers for all streaming services I think you'd agree that lots of people have started consuming content LEGALLY.  If the band is willing to release content officially we will consume it LEGALLY and more importantly pay for it.  But don't fault fans for wanting to hear/see content that is decades old and unofficially released.  Look at what Metallica just did with nugs.net.  That is something I was begging for on Nightrain for as long as I was there.  Release content officially and as fans I think we've shown that we will pay for it.  

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6 hours ago, thunderram said:

I really don't understand why fans take this copyright removal stuff so personally. I mean, it's THEIR content. They have a right to any revenue generated from it and shouldn't be expect to give anything away for free. That's exactly why copyright protection exists. They aren't breaking the law. However, those using the content w/o permission are.

The real problem is, fans feel overly entitled. They've been getting away with illegal downloads and content use for so long that they just expect it to always be that way.

If the band decides to sit on all the content and not take advantage of the fan interest, again, that's THEIR prerogative.

Most companies will let the users leave the videos up. They’ll just run ads on the videos and keep the revenue. 

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14 hours ago, Tyler Drama said:

Most companies will let the users leave the videos up. They’ll just run ads on the videos and keep the revenue. 

 

I get that. And that's their choice to make. But not everyone makes the same choices nor do they need to simply because someone else does. What others do is irrelevant. Everyone and every situation is different.

I know LucasFilm used to be pretty unrelenting about Star Wars content for many, many years before finally allowing fan-made videos. And I believe Disney has done the same with a lot of their content. It is what it is.

As a hardcore fan that would absolutely love for the GN'R vault to open and allow us access to all their recorded shows, I just reject the notion that they somehow owe it to the fans to allow unsanctioned content on the web since they've yet to release it themselves.

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7 hours ago, thunderram said:

 

I get that. And that's their choice to make. But not everyone makes the same choices nor do they need to simply because someone else does. What others do is irrelevant. Everyone and every situation is different.

I know LucasFilm used to be pretty unrelenting about Star Wars content for many, many years before finally allowing fan-made videos. And I believe Disney has done the same with a lot of their content. It is what it is.

As a hardcore fan that would absolutely love for the GN'R vault to open and allow us access to all their recorded shows, I just reject the notion that they somehow owe it to the fans to allow unsanctioned content on the web since they've yet to release it themselves.

Umm yes.  Exactly.  Of course the band/label can do whatever they want to do.  No one is debating that.  What we're debating is WHY they would do it. And until we get an answer from GNR management as to why they support these takedowns we'll continue to debate it.  I'm sorry that these discussions have been so traumatizing to you.

And you "reject the notion that they somehow owe it to the fans to allow unsanctioned content on the web".  How bold.  Again, of course the band can decide what they do and don't want out there.  If there is a demand for it then release it and make money.  This band has shown they're not above slapping their logo on junk and selling it for profit.  The band DOES have every right to be upset/frustrated if content is out there that they don't want the public to see, but they can't be mad at their own fans for wanting to see it.  

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On 29-5-2019 at 5:46 AM, Jim Powers said:

Any brand new news on Guns N Roses takedowns?  I guess they have blocked or taken down most of the concert video from 2016 ans 2017 at this point. My channel is still down youtube never even gave me a response on my counternotification. I guess no news means we dont accept your counternotification and your channel stays down. Dicks!!

What about calling them, didn't you buy a bundle to call them overseas, also saying the rather pick up the phone than responding to emails/
I think @sidman69 won a dispute with the IFPI last week and it took at least a month for YT to decide that!!!

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On 6/2/2019 at 12:10 PM, FRANSAD said:

What about calling them, didn't you buy a bundle to call them overseas, also saying the rather pick up the phone than responding to emails/
I think @sidman69 won a dispute with the IFPI last week and it took at least a month for YT to decide that!!!

yeah it also helps to have friends at youtube....

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You have friends at youtube? I'm looking to get my channel backup Youtube has never responded to my counter notification one way or the other. I would gladly delete all my guns n roses videos if someone could reinstate my channel which was Jim Powers. Youtube accepted my counter notification and then submitted to the email who took down the videos but never got a response back and my channel remains in suspended/termination status. This after being on youtube with that channel since 2011.

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This might explain the takedowns and who is behind it.  Says to me youtube and Universal are putting money into to this and want that back, plus more by being the only ones who are playing the videos for these songs.  I would want GNR videos if I were them.  Maybe this is the new MTV and artist will be encouraged to make more music videos.  That could be a plus.  I loved MTV when it was MTV.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8516717/youtube-universal-remaster-iconic-music-videos-lady-gaga-tom-petty

Iconic music videos from Lady Gaga, Beastie Boys, Janet Jackson and more are getting an upgrade, thanks to a new partnership between YouTube Music and Universal Music Group. 

The two music giants are teaming up to painstakingly remaster more than 1,000 music videos, spanning multiple decades, in the highest available video and audio quality. "Great music videos are works of art that continue to drive cultural influence across generations," reads an announcement on YouTube's blog. "And just like priceless paintings or sculptures in museums, from time to time they need some TLC."

Around 100 of those refreshed visuals became available Wednesday (June 19), including the music videos for Tom Petty’s 1989 "Free Fallin,’" Beastie Boys' 1994 "Sabotage "and Gaga's 2009 "Bad Romance."  

    
READ MORE
The 100 Greatest Music Videos of the 21st Century: Critics' Picks
YouTube will add more titles to the platform each week over the next year, distinguished by the #Remastered hashtag, with the goal to have all 1,000 titles available by the end of 2020. The new titles will seamlessly replace the old ones, while retaining the same URL, view counts and number of likes.

“It’s really an honor to partner with Universal Music Group and change the way fans around the globe will experience viewing some of the most classic and iconic videos. The quality is truly stunning,” shared Stephen Bryan, global head of label relations at YouTube. “It's our goal to ensure that today's music videos -- true works of art -- meet the high quality standards that artists' works deserve and today's music fans expect.”

Also included in the effort? Billy Idol, Boyz II Men, George Strait, Kiss, Lady Antebellum, Lionel Richie, Maroon 5, Meat Loaf, No Doubt/Gwen Stefani, Smokey Robinson and The Killers.

We’re excited to partner with YouTube to present these iconic music videos in the highest audio and video quality possible," added Michael Nash, executive vp of digital strategy at UMG. "Our recording artists and video directors imbued these videos with so much creativity; it’s great to enable the full experience of their vision and music. These videos not only look amazing on any screen now, they will be enjoyed by music fans for decades to come.”

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thats all well and good but i'm sure Youtube and UMG are not on a mission to ban GNR fans from twitter for posting a 14 second "yesterdays" video. 

neither do i think YT and UMG are behind the recent racist attacks on fans.

there is far more to this takedown stuff than what the big online giants are doing and it needs to stop. 

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56 minutes ago, cineater said:

This might explain the takedowns and who is behind it.  Says to me youtube and Universal are putting money into to this and want that back, plus more by being the only ones who are playing the videos for these songs.  I would want GNR videos if I were them.  Maybe this is the new MTV and artist will be encouraged to make more music videos.  That could be a plus.  I loved MTV when it was MTV.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8516717/youtube-universal-remaster-iconic-music-videos-lady-gaga-tom-petty

Iconic music videos from Lady Gaga, Beastie Boys, Janet Jackson and more are getting an upgrade, thanks to a new partnership between YouTube Music and Universal Music Group. 

The two music giants are teaming up to painstakingly remaster more than 1,000 music videos, spanning multiple decades, in the highest available video and audio quality. "Great music videos are works of art that continue to drive cultural influence across generations," reads an announcement on YouTube's blog. "And just like priceless paintings or sculptures in museums, from time to time they need some TLC."

Around 100 of those refreshed visuals became available Wednesday (June 19), including the music videos for Tom Petty’s 1989 "Free Fallin,’" Beastie Boys' 1994 "Sabotage "and Gaga's 2009 "Bad Romance."  

    
READ MORE
The 100 Greatest Music Videos of the 21st Century: Critics' Picks
YouTube will add more titles to the platform each week over the next year, distinguished by the #Remastered hashtag, with the goal to have all 1,000 titles available by the end of 2020. The new titles will seamlessly replace the old ones, while retaining the same URL, view counts and number of likes.

“It’s really an honor to partner with Universal Music Group and change the way fans around the globe will experience viewing some of the most classic and iconic videos. The quality is truly stunning,” shared Stephen Bryan, global head of label relations at YouTube. “It's our goal to ensure that today's music videos -- true works of art -- meet the high quality standards that artists' works deserve and today's music fans expect.”

Also included in the effort? Billy Idol, Boyz II Men, George Strait, Kiss, Lady Antebellum, Lionel Richie, Maroon 5, Meat Loaf, No Doubt/Gwen Stefani, Smokey Robinson and The Killers.

We’re excited to partner with YouTube to present these iconic music videos in the highest audio and video quality possible," added Michael Nash, executive vp of digital strategy at UMG. "Our recording artists and video directors imbued these videos with so much creativity; it’s great to enable the full experience of their vision and music. These videos not only look amazing on any screen now, they will be enjoyed by music fans for decades to come.”

Decided to watch a remastered lady gaga video from my smartphone, looks like a cheap upscaling, I cleary remember when her 2009 hits were released (look like it was yesterday, time flies) and I swear they had better quality when they were shown on tv

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8 minutes ago, donny said:

thats all well and good but i'm sure Youtube and UMG are not on a mission to ban GNR fans from twitter for posting a 14 second "yesterdays" video. 

neither do i think YT and UMG are behind the recent racist attacks on fans.

there is far more to this takedown stuff than what the big online giants are doing and it needs to stop. 

I was going to post everything you just said. 

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1 minute ago, RussTCB said:

I was going to post everything you just said. 

you know about the racism stuff then ? 

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6 minutes ago, donny said:

you know about the racism stuff then ? 

I've heard some things, yeah. It's been a pretty hectic week for me with no signs of slowing until at least Tuesday of next week. But I've seen / heard some things, yeah. 

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1 hour ago, donny said:

you know about the racism stuff then ? 

I haven't. Pray tell.

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5 hours ago, cineater said:

Around 100 of those refreshed visuals became available Wednesday (June 19), including the music videos for Tom Petty’s 1989 "Free Fallin,’" Beastie Boys' 1994 "Sabotage "and Gaga's 2009 "Bad Romance." 

Yeah, cos out of everything that is in desperate need of a remaster, Bad Romance is definitely at the top of the list. It's good to see Universal have their priorities straight.

4 hours ago, donny said:

you know about the racism stuff then ? 

Spill the deets, gimme the gossip

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