default_ Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) Yeah, production* It seems Dizzy didnt have much involvement with the pianos on any songs, just keys. So, the rock n roll honky piano we listen on the Illusions, its all Axl. Edited October 25, 2017 by default_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, rocknroll41 said: Wait, Axl plays the piano on 14 Years? GTFO! Amazing right? 6 minutes ago, default_ said: Yeah, production* It seems Dizzy didnt have much involvement with the pianos on any songs, just keys. So, the rock n roll honky piano we listen on the Illusions, its all Axl. Yep - his piano arrangements are first class on Illusions. The guy is an underrated musician imho. Edited October 25, 2017 by RONIN 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holographic Universe Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Sosso said: I agree. Axl Rose is a Dizzy fan. That’s enough for me. And I’m a fan of Dizzy as well and what he brought to the illusion albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tonto said: Izzy decided to keep himself out of the reunion by demanding more money than he was entitled to. One day this might sink in for you and the rest of Izzy brigade... he sold his fucking shares, he doesn't get equal pay. He is not an equal. If he wasn't so greedy he'd be there now and you'd be happy, it's not the greed of the others to not pay him an amount he isn't entitled to. Okay, fair enough. Here's the thing though - we don't know what financial arrangement Izzy was offered by the partners. We don't know what Izzy asked for. It's purely speculation at this point to call Izzy greedy until we know the details of the offer. The "loot" tweet could mean that maybe Izzy asked for them to split revenue equally with the one-off shows in Vegas. Maybe it means that he wanted to return full-time and was hoping they would let past wounds heal and split the proceeds equally. Maybe he only wanted the fees to be split equally and not the merch. Who knows? What I am sure of though is that some kind of deal could have been worked out if there was interest in making it happen - Izzy does not have a reputation for being difficult or greedy. There probably wasn't strong enough interest to make a deal because the partners figured that the tour would be a huge success regardless of Izzy's participation. And they were right. This gives them the upper hand in a financial negotiation. If you have the vantage point in a negotiation, are you going to pay someone what they're worth or lowball them and get them at the cheapest possible rate? If the intention is to make as much money as possible, then the latter seems likely. Izzy participating or not participating hasn't noticeably affected the tour financially. If I was in their place, logic would dictate that I'd give Izzy a barebones offer so that more money goes into my pocket. On the flip side, here is more reasonable speculation: Adler has claimed that the fees he was paid were pretty low - low enough that he wasn't doing it for the money. Gilby and Matt turned down a chance to guest - were the fees insultingly low? Perhaps - why else would they turn it down? What exactly is Gilby doing these days that would warrant turning down a spot on this tour? There were rumors from "insiders" here that Izzy was lowballed. One of the former members, Pitman, called the whole thing a cash grab. Again - it's all speculation. But where there's smoke, there's usually fire and the partners being cheapskates definitely seems to have more credible speculation than Izzy's greed torpedoing a reasonable offer from Axl and co. I personally suspect that the band is running a very tight ship and trying to make the most amount of cash they possibly can (as they should). I think they probably lowballed Izzy, Matt, and Gilby hence all three declined any participation. But you could be right - maybe Izzy wanted to enjoy all the spoils as an equal partner and drew a line in the sand. Given Izzy's history though and knowing what we know about Axl, Slash and Duff - that theory (imho) seems unlikely. Edited October 25, 2017 by RONIN 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 34 minutes ago, RONIN said: Amazing right? Yep - his piano arrangements are first class on Illusions. The guy is an underrated musician imho. Seems this topic was discussed somewhat briefly in another thread: Read a few posts down. Ahem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 hour ago, RONIN said: Amazing right? Yep - his piano arrangements are first class on Illusions. The guy is an underrated musician imho. Great find,i not know Axl play piano in 14 years,plus is a beautifoul song ,esp the part of piano👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsdrummer63 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Sosso said: W. Axl Rose – piano, backing vocals, production Slash – lead guitar, production Izzy Stradlin – lead vocals, rhythm guitar, production Duff McKagan – bass, backing vocals, production Matt Sorum – drums, production Dizzy Reed – organ, production Where even is there an organ in this song? Its a top 5 favorite of mine and i never knew there was one in it. Maybe they turned it off or down like they did to izzy's guitar in '93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 11 hours ago, Sosso said: I agree. Jesus, that is bloody awful. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 13 hours ago, The Holographic Universe said: what he brought to the illusion albums. Which is what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default_ Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 About new/old music... Whats the buzz about Atlas goin' on? Did it really leak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cantona Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 5 hours ago, default_ said: About new/old music... Whats the buzz about Atlas goin' on? Did it really leak? nope, looks like we got cucked 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottanized Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Everyone mentions Matt and Gilby turning the band down, has that actually been confirmed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cantona Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 10 minutes ago, Scottanized said: Everyone mentions Matt and Gilby turning the band down, has that actually been confirmed? gilby did, said so himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFGnR Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 The 'getting on great' part seems to be true: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default_ Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 14 hours ago, AslatIE said: nope, looks like we got cucked Talks of 2 minutes The General leak from kaneda. If they're trolling, its a veeery elaborated one lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncientEvil80 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 On 10/26/2017 at 10:22 AM, DieselDaisy said: Jesus, that is bloody awful. Fuck yeah, it is. Goes to show how the majority of people simply do NOT have any critical taste. Whatsoever. It's scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncientEvil80 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 4 hours ago, AFGnR said: The 'getting on great' part seems to be true: Perhaps just a simple impression, but they behave like they barely even know each other. Must be the age and the millions upon millions of burned brain cells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tori72 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, AncientEvil80 said: Perhaps just a simple impression, but they behave like they barely even know each other. Must be the age and the millions upon millions of burned brain cells Same impression for me. (The Women's Thread disagrees strongly though.) They are getting on great as colleagues not as great friends. I don't know why I'm even thinking they should be great friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 4 hours ago, AFGnR said: The 'getting on great' part seems to be true: For some strange reason Slash looks like somebody dressed as Slash as part of a fancy dress party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiraMPD Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: For some strange reason Slash looks like somebody dressed as Slash as part of a fancy dress party. Conspiracy theory time...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 1 hour ago, default_ said: Talks of 2 minutes The General leak from kaneda. If they're trolling, its a veeery elaborated one lol Elaborate? Lol. They have their little forum where they've been trolling and circle jerking together for a long time now. It's not that difficult to agree with a few people to pretend to have something and afterwards circle jerk some more about how they fooled so many people. GNR forums have quite a history of people pretending to be something else or having stuff to trade in order to lure out possible hoarders. Maybe Kaneda has it, I don't know, but they certainly don't have anything now. If anything leaks, I'm sure it won't be contained between a dozen or something users on a known troll forum. On topic: I loved that little video of Axl, Duff and Slash, but I do think it's a bit odd that Beta would point whoever filmed it in the direction of the 'big three'. Does she want to show us they all get along great? Hm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 16 hours ago, Scottanized said: Everyone mentions Matt and Gilby turning the band down, has that actually been confirmed? i seem to remember someone asking Matt via twitter when the band had announced the first dates of the 2016 NA tour and his reply was that he has not been asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 On 23/10/2017 at 7:01 PM, Pishy said: Izzy wasn't going to be treated like a stage monkey , he wanted to be treated as an equal. Izzy wasn't going to make appearances when axl summoned him and thrn have coins tossed at him. Apparently , you worship money so much you can't understand what he meant . To you , money = smarts and money = success and well "guess who is laughing all the way to the bank!" All these cliches about Izzy and adler are so tired but you feel they resonate because the propaganda that's amplified gets the 'benefit' that the sheep will hear their bell and nod in unison. What's this with "adler doesn't know how to kept his mouth shut?" It's so cringe and vomit inducing when another persont regurgitates this cheap bs. So adler needs to behave for you? Wtf does that even mean? As I recall, it's axl that talks 24/7 and went on tv to announce that "oh you know , Izzy is such a character , changes his mind on a whim , haha". And "oh yes, adler , he is playing" . Both pathetic lies. Those 3 blocked Izzy and their idea of adler played, was 1 song. Adler can speak what he wants . A lot of you demonstrate this vicarious authority over adler . News flash, worshipping axl doesnt make you axl , but I guess that's how cults go. How do you even allow yourself to discipline adler and then recount what he shouldn't have said? None of the things he even said are problematic . And nothing he said has anything to do with why he is not in the reuinuon. Izzy found that band, Izzy wrote a lot of the music. Adler was the producer , which is how those in the music industry that helped our appetite together , described him. They said without adler , it would have never worked. I think there is one large , glaring exhibit that demonstrates that point , Frank! But axl rather have the bigger team , like a child , and let slash know the band is his, and these are his people , slash is only a guest. Axl doesn't care what duff thinks as long as duff agrees to everything. This tour would never exist without slash , there is plenty of historical evidence for that as well. There is no GnR. It's a business now, you got that correct. Duff thinks he is bill gates because they both have a home in Seattle . Slash is afraid his ex wife will take half and he has some compulsion with accumulating wealth beyond what any human needs. The only ones with any integrity , dignity and who stayed musicians , are Izzy and Adler, and THAT is why they are not in the reuinuon. Edited Monday at 07:03 PM by Pishy Adler was the brains behind AFD and is not in this reunion because he has too much integrity? Are you hearing yourself? This was the guy that was so strung out he sucked cocks for drug money.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tori72 said: Same impression for me. (The Women's Thread disagrees strongly though.) They are getting on great as colleagues not as great friends. I don't know why I'm even thinking they should be great friends. fanboy talk aside, this is an interesting video in that Axl is even there at all. was that even happening on the UYI tour? that's actually a great fucking deal. the video gets me cautiously optimistic about fresh studio work. Edited October 27, 2017 by action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 10 minutes ago, action said: fanboy talk aside, this is an interesting video in that Axl is even there at all. was that even happening on the UYI tour? that's actually a great fucking deal. the video gets me cautiously optimistic about fresh studio work. This infamous pic comes to mind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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