Voodoochild Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 It's interesting that he thought the band had chemistry back in 2006, during the rehearsals, before Ron came in. In another interview, Brain seems pretty adamant about playing with GNR without Buckethead - he had really lost the interest without his friend there. So, the "lack of chemistry" is basically because Axl shoehorned Ron Thal in the band, and Richard lost his lead whole - he actually rehearsed stuff like IRS, There Was A Time and Better (and Riad, though it was never played live anyways), which were all pretty good Buckethead stuff. The only solo Richard kept, as far as I remember, was the Madagascar one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 On 31/08/2020 at 9:15 AM, DTJ80 said: How so? I didn’t realise there was any ‘issue’? There isn't an issue, that Axl hates Ron stuff is purely fan fiction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTJ80 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: There isn't an issue, that Axl hates Ron stuff is purely fan fiction. Ahh - that makes sense 😂. I literally could not think of any examples! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamsapple Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 (edited) On 2.9.2020 at 11:59 AM, LA_0013 said: Is that you, Ron? No and I'm not even a big fan of Ron, but I respect him and have to give him credit where it is due, actually I enjoy Buckethead a lot more than Ron. Edited September 3, 2020 by adamsapple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 On 8/29/2020 at 1:29 PM, Sisyphus said: The band really had a problem with Buckethead and then Bumblefoot. Shame for Buckethead especially. I wonder how Fortus felt when Ashba butchered those solos night after night. What the fuck was Axl thinking? Just the fact he brought Ashba in is a testament how detached he must have been at that point. A Motley Crue clone/reject in GN'R? To reaplace the awesome Robin Finck no less? Thank god those days are over. I've heard that DJ really was the last choice for them. He basically got the job for coming to the rehearsal room, lol. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sosso said: I've heard that DJ really was the last choice for them. He basically got the job for coming to the rehearsal room, lol. They had a load of guitarists lined up to rehearse, but Axl allegedly said if DJ was remotely interested, then the gig was his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Ron is one of my favorite guitar players and I thought he did a great job. Once he got used to things, starting from 2009, he played a lot of the material more accurately too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Bumblefoot was the basically the Paul Tobias of 2006. A new musician walks in and the others are not happy with that. The only one who accepted him from the very beginning was Chris. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 On 9/2/2020 at 10:20 AM, Voodoochild said: It's interesting that he thought the band had chemistry back in 2006, during the rehearsals, before Ron came in. In another interview, Brain seems pretty adamant about playing with GNR without Buckethead - he had really lost the interest without his friend there. So, the "lack of chemistry" is basically because Axl shoehorned Ron Thal in the band, and Richard lost his lead whole - he actually rehearsed stuff like IRS, There Was A Time and Better (and Riad, though it was never played live anyways), which were all pretty good Buckethead stuff. The only solo Richard kept, as far as I remember, was the Madagascar one. It's funny to think that Richard never gained much more in the way of leads when Ashba joined. Richard and Ron should have been the sole lead guitarists at that point and then just hire another session player for rhythm. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, James Bond said: It's funny to think that Richard never gained much more in the way of leads when Ashba joined. Richard and Ron should have been the sole lead guitarists at that point and then just hire another session player for rhythm. That's the craziness of GN'R in a nutshell. Having two great guitarists like 4tus and BBF in the band and still hiring Ashba. Edited September 19, 2020 by Sosso 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 20 hours ago, James Bond said: It's funny to think that Richard never gained much more in the way of leads when Ashba joined. Richard and Ron should have been the sole lead guitarists at that point and then just hire another session player for rhythm. 20 hours ago, Sosso said: That's the craziness of GN'R in a nutshell. Having two great guitarists like 4tus and BBF in the band and still hiring Ashba. My theory is that Axl didn't think Fortus was charismatic enough. And Bumble was just too wacky. It's just the "image", not the sound. But I agree, the band didn't need Ashba. I do believe they needed Bucket and Bumble, though. I liked the three guitars lineup for the Chinese songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Just now, Voodoochild said: My theory is that Axl didn't think Fortus was charismatic enough. And Bumble was just too wacky. It's just the "image", not the sound. But I agree, the band didn't need Ashba. I do believe they needed Bucket and Bumble, though. I liked the three guitars lineup for the Chinese songs. They should have hired Robin for the 2009/10 Tour. NIN had no tour dates between September 2009 and 2013. That was a missed opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Sosso said: They should have hired Robin for the 2009/10 Tour. NIN had no tour dates between September 2009 and 2013. That was a missed opportunity. This would be actually a perfect scenario to me. And not just because of This I Love. I think the problem was that Ashba was hired way back in early 2009, when the band was supposed to tour with Rolling Stones (or Van Halen? I can't remember). And the relationship with Robin didn't seem to be that good because of that manager (who I also forgot the name lol). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Voodoochild said: This would be actually a perfect scenario to me. And not just because of This I Love. I think the problem was that Ashba was hired way back in early 2009, when the band was supposed to tour with Rolling Stones (or Van Halen? I can't remember). And the relationship with Robin didn't seem to be that good because of that manager (who I also forgot the name lol). Yeah, Ashba was hired in March 2009. But still, he could have focussed on SIXX:AM full time in that scenario. Edited September 20, 2020 by Sosso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Voodoochild said: This would be actually a perfect scenario to me. And not just because of This I Love. I think the problem was that Ashba was hired way back in early 2009, when the band was supposed to tour with Rolling Stones (or Van Halen? I can't remember). And the relationship with Robin didn't seem to be that good because of that manager (who I also forgot the name lol). Van Halen. And I think the manager in question was Doc McGee?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Just now, soon said: Van Halen. And I think the manager in question was Doc McGee?? I think he meant Irving Arzoff. Axl acussed him that he wanted to force him into a reunion with Slash. Cancelling the tour with Van Halen and not letting Robin rejoin the band were parts of the plan, at least according to Axl. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sosso said: I think he meant Irving Arzoff. Axl acussed him that he wanted to force him into a reunion with Slash. Cancelling the tour with Van Halen and not letting Robin rejoin the band were parts of the plan, at least according to Axl. I honestly don't remember which one was. But yeah, that's what I meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Fortus is a piece of shit. Backstabber but on the other hand an asslicker. An opportunist who as a musician never has released anything that people care about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, StayofExecution2020 said: Fortus is a piece of shit. Backstabber but on the other hand an asslicker. An opportunist who as a musician never has released anything that people care about. It's so easy to judge people without knowing them. How many musicians were fired and badmouthed by Slash? Tracii Guns and Buckethead could tell you something about that. Edited September 20, 2020 by Sosso 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Sosso said: I think he meant Irving Arzoff. Axl acussed him that he wanted to force him into a reunion with Slash. Cancelling the tour with Van Halen and not letting Robin rejoin the band were parts of the plan, at least according to Axl. Arzoff - that’s right! Thanks I didn’t know that Axl alleges management prevented Robin from rejoining! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, soon said: Arzoff - that’s right! Thanks I didn’t know that Axl alleges management prevented Robin from rejoining! That's what I remember from sevaral Interviews and reports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefinitelyInThisLifetime Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 It’s sad to see how sour the relationship between Axl and Robin turned. Lots of red tape, politics and whatnot. Robin was very happy to be back in Nine Inch Nails for sure but the bridge was burned by piss poor management in GnR, Azoff also caused the follow ups to falter in favour of “zomg mega tourzzzz possibley with SLASH!” but of course, it never came to be. In short Azoff fucked New GnR Mark 2 which is a shame as towards the end of the 2006 runs they did seem to gel very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 34 minutes ago, DefinitelyInThisLifetime said: It’s sad to see how sour the relationship between Axl and Robin turned. Lots of red tape, politics and whatnot. Robin was very happy to be back in Nine Inch Nails for sure but the bridge was burned by piss poor management in GnR, Azoff also caused the follow ups to falter in favour of “zomg mega tourzzzz possibley with SLASH!” but of course, it never came to be. In short Azoff fucked New GnR Mark 2 which is a shame as towards the end of the 2006 runs they did seem to gel very well. Irving wasn't managing them in 2006, think he took over in 2008? brokered the deal for the release and was gone shortly afterwards for pushing the reunion. Had Axl and co managed to get along with him a bit more, he could have transformed that band from laughing stock to serious headliner... not NITL level but respectable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: Irving wasn't managing them in 2006, think he took over in 2008? brokered the deal for the release and was gone shortly afterwards for pushing the reunion. Had Axl and co managed to get along with him a bit more, he could have transformed that band from laughing stock to serious headliner... not NITL level but respectable. The Irving Arzoff Incident convinced Axl not to work with any other external manager again and he hired Fernando. The rest is history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 14 hours ago, Sosso said: The Irving Arzoff Incident convinced Axl not to work with any other external manager again and he hired Fernando. The rest is history. And unfortunately from that point on, axl only wanted to GNR focused on being a touring band only and not a creative band releasing new material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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