Popular Post ©GnrPersia Posted December 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2023 9 hours ago, Nintari said: What's really amazing to me is how someone can be a fan of Axl Rose and be such a woke, politically correct, soft little bitch. Seriously. It's beyond me. So, you're thinking that just because the band members were pulling some wild stunts in their 20s back in the '80s, all GNR fans are supposed to have this touch of kink and abuse, and being cool with harassment in their personality, huh? I disagree with that notion. Pretty sure you don't see it as one-sided either. Even Axl has changed dramatically. Does CD contain any lines such as "turn around bitch I got a use for you"? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SoulMonster Posted December 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2023 9 hours ago, Nintari said: What's really amazing to me is how someone can be a fan of Axl Rose and be such a woke, politically correct, soft little bitch. Seriously. It's beyond me. It is possible to be a fan of the artist and singer Axl Rose and not a fan of his past behavior. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooker Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 4 hours ago, ©GnrPersia said: So, you're thinking that just because the band members were pulling some wild stunts in their 20s back in the '80s, all GNR fans are supposed to have this touch of kink and abuse, and being cool with harassment in their personality, huh? I disagree with that notion. Pretty sure you don't see it as one-sided either. Even Axl has changed dramatically. Does CD contain any lines such as "turn around bitch I got a use for you"? To be fair that was Duff’s writing. But good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Voodoochild Posted December 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2023 14 hours ago, Nintari said: What's really amazing to me is how someone can be a fan of Axl Rose and be such a woke, politically correct, soft little bitch. Seriously. It's beyond me. 3 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlasShrugged Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 On 12/31/2023 at 5:27 AM, ©GnrPersia said: So, you're thinking that just because the band members were pulling some wild stunts in their 20s back in the '80s, all GNR fans are supposed to have this touch of kink and abuse, and being cool with harassment in their personality, huh? I disagree with that notion. Pretty sure you don't see it as one-sided either. Even Axl has changed dramatically. Does CD contain any lines such as "turn around bitch I got a use for you"? He still sings the songs live though, and gestures the lyrics. Plus .. Absurd? I agree with your general sentiment though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DoMw94 Posted January 1 Popular Post Share Posted January 1 1 hour ago, AtlasShrugged said: He still sings the songs live though, and gestures the lyrics. Plus .. Absurd? And? He's basically playing a character. It's no different from hating an actor because they played a murderer on a TV show. You only need to look at the band's off-stage personas to realise not only have they changed, but they're also very different characters off-stage compared to on it 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlasShrugged Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 hours ago, DoMw94 said: And? He's basically playing a character. It's no different from hating an actor because they played a murderer on a TV show. You only need to look at the band's off-stage personas to realise not only have they changed, but they're also very different characters off-stage compared to on it Hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
©GnrPersia Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 11 hours ago, DoMw94 said: And? He's basically playing a character. This. I was just going to say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickS77 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) On 12/31/2023 at 12:22 AM, DoMw94 said: People here love to shit on Fernando/Team Brazil (speaking purely about band management here, nothing else), but just how involved in the important side of the business are they? Guns N' Roses have been on Rod MacSween's roster for a long time, alongside other comparable 'legacy' acts (and Duff as a solo artist). I'd say he'd be more involved in meaningful decisions involving the band/business as a whole. https://www.itb.co.uk/agent/rod-macsween So what's the deal here? Who does what? How important are Team Brazil/Fernando etc? He's a booking agent for events outside the USA. If you want to organize a concert and want GNR to play, you go through him. That's the extent of his importance. And then most likely it goes through Team Brazil as the direct artist representation (so Axl doesn't have to communicate himself) to confirm whether they want to do the event and whatever else they need from it. Though, logic dictates that word comes from Team Brazil first, that Axl/GNR is looking to embark on a tour and then the enquiries go through the booking agents. Edited January 2 by PatrickS77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlasShrugged Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 5 hours ago, ©GnrPersia said: This. I was just going to say that. Yeah but the character he is playing is himself. Anyway, he’s changed dramatically as 2021’s release “pussy full of maggots” shows 👌 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickS77 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 51 minutes ago, AtlasShrugged said: Yeah but the character he is playing is himself. Anyway, he’s changed dramatically as 2021’s release “pussy full of maggots” shows 👌 But he wrote the lyrics in 2002 (?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JoJo Bonetto Posted January 2 Popular Post Share Posted January 2 I think he explained the pussy full of maggots line recently on stage. Something about seeing it on TV and using it in the song. I didn't pay all that much attention to it because I am indifferent to that song, for the most part. I think that, and no one can ever really know the truth, he is putting on a show with a stage persona at this point. He may find some things funny, he normally looks like he is having a chuckle when singing Absurd, but I don't think it goes much deeper than that because he has most likely moved on. People do move on. Not everyone stays in the same place mentally forever. He is what...? 61 now, I think. People need to stop assessing his thoughts, feelings and behaviour based on a much younger version of who he was. It's performance. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoMw94 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 2 hours ago, PatrickS77 said: He's a booking agent for events outside the USA. If you want to organize a concert and want GNR to play, you go through him. That's the extent of his importance. And then most likely it goes through Team Brazil as the direct artist representation (so Axl doesn't have to communicate himself) to confirm whether they want to do the event and whatever else they need from it. Though, logic dictates that word comes from Team Brazil first, that Axl/GNR is looking to embark on a tour and then the enquiries go through the booking agents. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SoulMonster Posted January 2 Popular Post Share Posted January 2 I still don't get why people think the "pussy full of maggots" line is so bad. It is abrasive, it is vulgar, it is crude, it has a shock factor, yes, but it isn't misogynistic in itself. It is entirely okay to say bad things about a specific woman but It is NOT okay to say bad things about all women. The former is just someone being angry with an individual who happens to be a woman, the latter is someone being misogynistic, which is as bad as any other forms of group discrimination, including racism. Some women, like men, are awful. That's reality, that's just how it is, and it is okay to write and sing about that. Even in utterly vulgar terms. Or for the shock effect. And in art it is entirely okay to be vulgar and crude, some art forms are based on that very principle! Would people here have reacted similarly if the line was "dick full of maggots" or something similarly abrasive about a man? Probably not. Sure, that line is perhaps not as violently abrasive, or works as well from a literary perspective as "pussy full of maggots", but you get my point. I think a double standard has established itself where women are not taken as seriously as men as subjects in literature and art, they are to be protected and put on a pedestal which is nonsense and a disservice to that gender. And I think the #metoo movement -- which was great, btw, because it brought forward a necessary discussion on actual sexual abuse of women and started a process where protected and powerful men got a little less protected -- has muddled the minds of some men who now thinks individual women shouldn't be criticized. We can dislike the sentence for its vulgarity and the pictures that pop into our heads when we hear it, but it is not, in itself, evidence for Axl hating women or anything like that. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlasShrugged Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I honestly don't mind or get offended by anything he says or does but just don't think he's had this big road to Damascus moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 17 minutes ago, AtlasShrugged said: I honestly don't mind or get offended by anything he says or does but just don't think he's had this big road to Damascus moment It is really hard to say. Does Axl still have a "hatred for women," as he stated in 1992? Or has he grown out of this, similarly to how his attitude to many other things have changed with age and as he has had more experiences in life? I don't think anyone of us can say for sure. I think he has matured on an intellectual level, but whether his primal nature has changed -- or even can change after what he experienced as a child -- I don't know. He can still act primitively, like when he attacked that paparazzi in 2009 or when he verbally, and scathingly, attached @madisonhere back in 2010, but that is when provoked, and even that may have been straightened out by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 From what Axl said about the story of the "pussy full of maggots" line, it seems that Silkworms/Absurd was not even written about a woman, but he just put that line in it because of something he saw on the Howard Stern show. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluegrassBlues Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I don't think any of them hate women, I feel like they have all matured past the gutter rats they were in their twenties. And I say all of them, I know Axl is always the one who has gotten called a misogynist (and with good reason with what when on back in the day) but I think its weird he's the only one who is ever accused of that. Duff has written some ugly lyrics about women (It's So Easy) and so has Izzy (Bad Obsession, You Could Be Mine) Slash made some weird comments about women and how amazed he was at how much abuse they would take. Axl, Steven and Slash all have domestic abuse allegations and charges against them, but its always Axl who still gets accused of it. I don't like some of the lyrics, but it is what it is. While I could personally do without some of the lyrics, I know if they did it would be disingenuous if they changed them now. And Absurd was something from a show, not even about anyone in particular. With the band's history in perspective I don't think its fair to only blame/accuse one person of misogyny, especially when they have all seemed to leave that behind (and I hope they have.) But anyways, I hope the suit goes in Kat's favor and I still believe her about Fernando being a creep and not getting the pay she deserved. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 3 hours ago, BluegrassBlues said: I don't think any of them hate women, I feel like they have all matured past the gutter rats they were in their twenties. And I say all of them, I know Axl is always the one who has gotten called a misogynist (and with good reason with what when on back in the day) but I think its weird he's the only one who is ever accused of that. Duff has written some ugly lyrics about women (It's So Easy) and so has Izzy (Bad Obsession, You Could Be Mine) Slash made some weird comments about women and how amazed he was at how much abuse they would take. Axl, Steven and Slash all have domestic abuse allegations and charges against them, but its always Axl who still gets accused of it. I don't like some of the lyrics, but it is what it is. While I could personally do without some of the lyrics, I know if they did it would be disingenuous if they changed them now. And Absurd was something from a show, not even about anyone in particular. With the band's history in perspective I don't think its fair to only blame/accuse one person of misogyny, especially when they have all seemed to leave that behind (and I hope they have.) But anyways, I hope the suit goes in Kat's favor and I still believe her about Fernando being a creep and not getting the pay she deserved. Happy New Year to you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vloors Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 On 12/30/2023 at 6:24 AM, Sweersa said: They are not like most drug dealers, it is a licensed, regulated business that serves both law enforcement and law abiding citizens. There's probably several near you that you are unware of, if you are in the US. I can't speak for other parts of the world, but there's black markets everywhere as well, which are of course inherently dangerous. And theres a reason the US is crime ridden and full of shootings every day. Psst the guns havent helped you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluegrassBlues Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 52 minutes ago, Ratam said: Happy New Year to you Happy New Year! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vloors Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) On 12/31/2023 at 12:06 PM, Nintari said: What's really amazing to me is how someone can be a fan of Axl Rose and be such a woke, politically correct, soft little bitch. Seriously. It's beyond me. Whats funny is Axl Rose himself is quite woke, politically correct and yep soft these days. But yeah thing is people are fans of the music not always the person. Edited January 2 by vloors 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traddfolks Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) The Howard Stern thing is from some New Years Eve beauty pageant show he did. The winner was a stripper or something called Maggot Snatch. That's what they were calling her lol. I think she actually put maggots in her vagina to win. Howard Stern pay per view back in the early 90's. Someone should look Maggot Snatch let her know she's got a theme song now. Edited January 3 by traddfolks didn't like my wording 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rindmelon Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 hours ago, traddfolks said: The Howard Stern thing is from some New Years Eve beauty pageant show he did. The winner was a stripper or something called Maggot Snatch. That's what they were calling her lol. I think she actually put maggots in her vagina to win. Howard Stern pay per view back in the early 90's. Someone should look Maggot Snatch let her know she's got a theme song now. dear god the length's some people will go to for fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jamillos Posted January 3 Popular Post Share Posted January 3 I'm definitely not googling anything of the sort, thank you very much. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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