Flayer Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Rindmelon said: One of the moderators of the gnr reddit is the main gnr social media person. I forget which mod it's not a fan run thing by any stretch. It's where people go to post pictures of cats that look like Dizzy Reed and stuff like that. best ignored. It's r/audioengineering, not the GNR subreddit, and that thread comes up number one on Google search, ahead of any of the other General-related threads elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rindmelon Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Flayer said: It's r/audioengineering, not the GNR subreddit, and that thread comes up number one on Google search, ahead of any of the other General-related threads elsewhere. Oh i see lol. I can't imagine how the Hoffman forum is coping with the mix, i would imagine not well. Just read your first post and you di mention r/audioengineering but i missed it as im very very drunk Edited December 12, 2023 by Rindmelon 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormisX Posted December 12, 2023 Author Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 hour ago, bmus1 said: I think it's because the high end was so lacking on the leak, and that's where a lot of the clipping on the kick drum is. It's not a low-end thumpy clipping, it's a lot of very high-end popping on kick hits, especially in that last chorus. You can hear where they are in both versions, but they stick out way more in the released version. This 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmus1 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 It's mostly because of Monsters, but I'll admit I still listen to the leak more than the official version 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flayer Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 hour ago, bmus1 said: I think it's because the high end was so lacking on the leak, and that's where a lot of the clipping on the kick drum is. It's not a low-end thumpy clipping, it's a lot of very high-end popping on kick hits, especially in that last chorus. You can hear where they are in both versions, but they stick out way more in the released version. Sounds right to me. My point stands - they'd have been better off just releasing that version instead, if they weren't going to bother finishing it properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vloors Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 On 12/11/2023 at 2:54 AM, Rindmelon said: I would agree except i would say management instead of band. It's not for example Dizzy Reeds fault the artwork looks like something out of Minecraft. It comes down to incompetent management I think, & they are only there because of one person, and that ain't Slash duff Fortus Reece Dizzy or Frank. Agree with what you say here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvH Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Nonwithstanding the quality of the track itself, it's such a pity that Axl's "statement" when he chose a very light mastering touch for Chinese Democracy has consistently been followed by badly mixed and most of all compressed and brickwalled releases. On that front, The General has reached a new low. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axl666 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 After reading this thread I listened to it again in the car. Its OK sounding. It's actually pretty heavy in parts. I think I hear the clipping but I wouldn't say its a deal breaker. It's got a light hypnotic groove. I think live it would suit smaller venue. if people knew the song in advance its the type of song that would probably make you bob your head slowly, but it wouldn't bore you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Matinator Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/12/2023 at 1:02 PM, Flayer said: It's r/audioengineering, not the GNR subreddit, and that thread comes up number one on Google search, ahead of any of the other General-related threads elsewhere. That was an interesting read. Somebody claiming to be an ex-GNR members sibling was ragging on CD lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DSTK Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 2 hours ago, The Matinator said: That was an interesting read. Somebody claiming to be an ex-GNR members sibling was ragging on CD lol Nothing on reddit can be taken seriously...the users have to run a poll to ask which day it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_school_gnr_fan Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 Just scrap the song entirely, and forget it ever existed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caedo Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 On 12/13/2023 at 8:29 AM, Flayer said: Sounds right to me. My point stands - they'd have been better off just releasing that version instead, if they weren't going to bother finishing it properly. Lol they did just release that version it just isn't a shitty MP3 file where you can't even make out all the flaws of the song properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmus1 Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 Yeah if you rip The General from YouTube and convert it to something shitty like a 128kbps MP3 it’ll sound like the leak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 55 Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 17 hours ago, EvH said: Nonwithstanding the quality of the track itself, it's such a pity that Axl's "statement" when he chose a very light mastering touch for Chinese Democracy has consistently been followed by badly mixed and most of all compressed and brickwalled releases. On that front, The General has reached a new low. all the digital releases are brickwalled? I haven't bought any of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormisX Posted December 15, 2023 Author Share Posted December 15, 2023 6 hours ago, Chris 55 said: all the digital releases are brickwalled? I haven't bought any of them Perhaps sounds good to my ears, Absurd ir pretty ok also... HS is much worse, drums sounds like cheap drum machine and then there is The Clipper... worst sounding mix by any major band out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betterman Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 Will not be done. And its not so bad that some of you are saying. It has been a general problem in music business for years and I am very aware and against the loudness wars, but you could find equally examples from hundreds of well known bands. Death Magnetic were miles worse as were some of the releases from U2, Bon Jovi etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormisX Posted December 15, 2023 Author Share Posted December 15, 2023 8 hours ago, betterman said: Will not be done. And its not so bad that some of you are saying. It has been a general problem in music business for years and I am very aware and against the loudness wars, but you could find equally examples from hundreds of well known bands. Death Magnetic were miles worse as were some of the releases from U2, Bon Jovi etc. I agree with - will not be done Just listened to Death Magnetic single... brickwalled to max, but still somehow listenable unlike The General Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfacelessturtle Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 13 hours ago, betterman said: Will not be done. And its not so bad that some of you are saying. It has been a general problem in music business for years and I am very aware and against the loudness wars, but you could find equally examples from hundreds of well known bands. Death Magnetic were miles worse as were some of the releases from U2, Bon Jovi etc. Brickwalling is one thing. Clipping is another. I'm no Metallica fan but I highly doubt Death Magnetic is clipping all over the place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, evilfacelessturtle said: Brickwalling is one thing. Clipping is another. I'm no Metallica fan but I highly doubt Death Magnetic is clipping all over the place. Death Magnetic, at least the album as was mixed and mastered for official release in 2008 (the Guitar Hero stems are a different story) indeed has clipping all over the place Edited December 16, 2023 by WhazUp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 55 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 (edited) 22 hours ago, NormisX said: Perhaps sounds good to my ears, Absurd ir pretty ok also... HS is much worse, drums sounds like cheap drum machine and then there is The Clipper... worst sounding mix by any major band out there How does it clip? Any examples? Edited December 16, 2023 by Chris 55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormisX Posted December 16, 2023 Author Share Posted December 16, 2023 4 hours ago, Chris 55 said: How does it clip? Any examples? U deaf or what? There's a high pitch clicking on almost every bassdrum beat (except a sampled ones in verses) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betterman Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 35 minutes ago, NormisX said: U deaf or what? There's a high pitch clicking on almost every bassdrum beat (except a sampled ones in verses) Are you sure for all streaming services? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormisX Posted December 16, 2023 Author Share Posted December 16, 2023 2 hours ago, betterman said: Are you sure for all streaming services? Spotify and Youtube, so I guess it's same mix on all other services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trell Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 17 hours ago, NormisX said: Spotify and Youtube, so I guess it's same mix on all other services Sounds alright on apple music, says apple digital master and they normally sort the clipping out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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