weaponsnflowers Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 What are the examples of Richard being a shitty guitarist, exactly? Can we get some clips of him fucking up? And does he really fuck up so much that it ruins the enjoyment of any particular song completely? Are there really people who know every note by heart and can tell when he fucks up? Who can even hear Fortuss guitar on those live shows? I sure can't when I watch the videos. And is your experience of a concert or a song then totally ruined? It's just shit from there on end? How the hell is he such a shitty player? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caraibes Posted July 3, 2016 Author Share Posted July 3, 2016 7 minutes ago, weaponsnflowers said: Who can even hear Fortuss guitar on those live shows? Dude, Fortus is EVERYWHERE. You can hear him clearly everywhere., he is even louder than Slash most of the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 2 hours ago, ferma said: Ultimately, I think people need to consider Slash and Duff on the matter; if Fortus was really crap, he wouldn't be playing these shows. I would bet money that Slash and Duff has zero say in it one way or the other. This was Axl's band and he wasn't firing anyone for this reunion to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 @Nosaj Thing is this guy the male version of tiny robot or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, weaponsnflowers said: What are the examples of Richard being a shitty guitarist, exactly? Can we get some clips of him fucking up? And does he really fuck up so much that it ruins the enjoyment of any particular song completely? Are there really people who know every note by heart and can tell when he fucks up? Who can even hear Fortuss guitar on those live shows? I sure can't when I watch the videos. And is your experience of a concert or a song then totally ruined? It's just shit from there on end? How the hell is he such a shitty player? I don't think anyone has called him a shitty guitarist, they (and I) just don't think his style is a good fit for the band. He obviously has talent. There have been several threads on this with points like this. His volume during the April shows was often louder than Slash's. This seems to have improved during the Stadium tour though.. for the most part. People have said that they don't like his tone. It is too much of a lead player from a Metal bands tone. Too much pre-amp gain. You could hear this immediately during the verses of It's So Easy at the Troubador when his guitar is louder than Slash and it sounded like a synthesizer. A sound that was much more suited for NuGuns. A lot of people don't like his stage presence and think he looks like an ass clown. I concur. Some people don't like the fact that he plays lead solos in KOHD and Rocket Queen or at all for that matter. Why is he so important that he needs to play more leads than Izzy or Gilby did as a rhythm guitarist? I don't like his lead playing in Guns N' Roses and I don't think anyone is paying $300 bucks a ticket to see him solo either. Sure he is very talented and technically sound but so is Eddie Van Halen and his style wouldn't fir Guns N' Roses at all. My personal biggest gripe at this point is Rocket Queen. I hate his contributions to he song and and wish his guitar was on mute. The last thing I want to hear is Fortus playing lead guitar solos during Rocket Queen and his 70's porn rhythm during the jam part is terrible. Many people don't like his solo in Nightrain. It doesn't ruin the song but why does he need to show off and see how many notes he can fit into that solo. It just sounds out of place. Those are just a few examples off the top of my head. I was at a show and he didn't ruin it for me but he there were a few times he made me shake my head.. No he doesn't ruin the shows but I feel they would be better without him. All that said he seems a bit more bearable during the stadium tour and I can't wait for my show. Ass clown on rhythm guitar and all. Edited July 3, 2016 by Tom-Ass 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weaponsnflowers Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 OK. Agreed on that porn rhythm actually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weaponsnflowers Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Caraibes said: Dude, Fortus is EVERYWHERE. You can hear him clearly everywhere., he is even louder than Slash most of the time. Okay, I meant it's hard to tell when he is on and when it's Slash. At least for me. Unless they are shooting Slash doing the stuff, how can anyone tell which one is playing what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikosgnr Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 (edited) Gilby? Seriously? What more can (the sessionist) Gilby Clarke bring to GNR now? Attitude? Give me a break.. Fortus counts 14 years in this band to be kicked off. He's an amazing guy, loyal to the bone, never demanded more to take and a great guitarist too. Edited July 4, 2016 by nikosgnr 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadApples87 Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 It is really simple. It is all about MONEY! Izzy deserves the same cash as the big 3. That means splitting the payday four ways instead of 3. Fortus gets paid way less as an additional musician, that is why he is there. Axl's employee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triad Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Went to the July 1 Chicago show with a group of people including a 24-year old guy who grew up listening to AFD and UYI, but knew nothing about NuGuns and was not familiar with any CD songs. His take on Fortus? "I was kind of digging his style." I agree that Fortus probably doesn't match Slash's style as well as Izzy did. But Fortus seems to be true to his own style. I went in thinking that the Pink Floyd WYWH duet would be meh, but ended up truly enjoying it. Fine by me if the two of them do more work like that. Slash is still by far the star lead guitar god, with a dominating stage presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendez Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) I will say that i will gladly take Fortus playing rhythm to Slash's leads over Slash trying to play rhythm to his own lead guitar on new material Edited July 4, 2016 by Mendez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Is there some sort of Izzy clause where if you like him you can't appreciate any other 2nd guitar in GNR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 14 hours ago, Caraibes said: On a related note I'm superpumped to hear the Daisies added Doug Aldrich as their new guitarist. Great replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manfisman Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I really like Richard, he's a nice guitarrist. Very talented. I think he fits very well in Guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real McCoy Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 4 hours ago, moreblack said: On a related note I'm superpumped to hear the Daisies added Doug Aldrich as their new guitarist. Great replacement. When did John Corabi turn in to Steven Tyler? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 12 hours ago, Slash787 said: @Nosaj Thing is this guy the male version of tiny robot or something? Ugh, I hope not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Fortus was the best guy in nuGNR in my opinion, he has the chops and he also is a decent rhythm player. It is hard talking about the rhythm guitar spot in GNR without mentioning how perfect of a match Izzy was/is, but I do like how Fortus is gelling with the rest of the guys 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 4 hours ago, moreblack said: Is there some sort of Izzy clause where if you like him you can't appreciate any other 2nd guitar in GNR? Izzy brings out the best in Slash. Fortus doesn't. It's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 The shows sound great so not sure what the problem is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babooshka Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Someone made the point that Bumble's style probably would have complimented Slash more, even though he wouldn't have fit the "Izzy role" as good as Richard. Bumble and Slash would have been interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lies They Tell Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I can't think of a better replacement for Izzy than Fortus. So yes, definitely appreciate him in GNR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverburst80 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I really like what he's doing in the Civil War intro with the harmonics and his whammy bar, i don't know if he did that with nu-guns or whatever but it adds a cool spooky atmosphere to the intro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverburst80 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 4 hours ago, RONIN said: Izzy brings out the best in Slash. Fortus doesn't. It's that simple. To be honest the best ive ever heard Slash live isn't even in Guns n Roses, he was on fire with his own band the last few years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default_ Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) Richard is an AMAZING guitarrist but to fit Guns N' Roses with Slash he need to calm and turn his volume down a little bit. Shredding means nothing when the guy ruins the whole feeling of the thing. I think the main thing goes to his influences, Richard is a guy that comes from grunge/alternative, so its hard to fit the stonesy bluesy vibe. Edited July 4, 2016 by default_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 On 7/4/2016 at 7:24 AM, Silverburst80 said: To be honest the best ive ever heard Slash live isn't even in Guns n Roses, he was on fire with his own band the last few years. True that... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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