DieselDaisy Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Modano09 said: Neil Young sounds like he enjoys making albums at this stage of his career. Axl Rose may not. That doesn't mean I don't want one, but if a near 60 year old man who's set for life financially gets more enjoyment out of playing life shows than he does recording, that's his call. It is his decision but lessens his legacy as a creative artist, reducing him to the status of a rather embarrassing tribute act. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: It is his decision but lessens his legacy as a creative artist, reducing him to the status of a rather embarrassing tribute act. Well he didn't set the world on fire with CD, so he might resent putting stuff out for a public that's not into what he has to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: It is his decision but lessens his legacy as a creative artist, reducing him to the status of a rather embarrassing tribute act. When an artist stops releasing music, that doesn't lessen his legacy as a creative artist, it freezes the legacy. Only releasing shit can lessen that legacy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokingarthur Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: When an artist stops releasing music, that doesn't lessen his legacy as a creative artist, it freezes the legacy. Only releasing shit can lessen that legacy. You mean like TSI and ChiDem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Just now, smokingarthur said: You mean like TSI and ChiDem? Personally, no, I like both those albums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: When an artist stops releasing music, that doesn't lessen his legacy as a creative artist, it freezes the legacy. Only releasing shit can lessen that legacy. To only put out one album between 1991 and today means a radically different appraisal of the person who released 4 between 1987-1991. We seriously have to ponder whether Rose was that talented (creatively) to begin with, and/or whether he just had ''x'' amount of songs in the bank which left him bereft artistically once those songs were exhausted? We may query whether he requires Stradlin's presence? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: To only put out one album between 1991 and today means a radically different appraisal of the person who released 4 between 1987-1991. We seriously have to ponder whether Rose was that talented (creatively) to begin with, and/or whether he just had ''x'' amount of songs in the bank which left him bereft artistically once those songs were exhausted? We may query whether he requires Stradlin's presence? I don't find it at all surprising that an artist will release less music as he grows older. It is not exactly unusual. Many artists even stop releasing altogether, which I suppose must come as a frightful shock to you. If you thought he would going to be as productive throughout his career as he were in the beginning, well, then I guess you were wrong. Besides, no one of us know how much music he has created over the last 3 decades, which is the real measure on creativity. His productivity, in terms of releasing said music, is of course poor. Still, one record in 2008 is better than nothing. And again, it shouldn't come as a huge surprise to anyone that an artists releases less frequently. One record is infinitely better than zero records (in terms of productivity; whether you like CD, which you don't, is a subjective thing and shouldn't influence an objective discussion of creativity and productivity). And there is nothing wrong with not releasing music. Forcing art doesn't always work out well. I would much rather have an artist who realizes his well is dry and focuses on pleasing his fans through touring, than one who releases subpar records just out of habit or because he has to. Not that Axl's creative well has dried out, necessarily, his lack of releases is likely due to a host of other issues he has got. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, SoulMonster said: I don't find it at all surprising that an artist will release less music as he grows older. ''Less music''? We are discussing somebody who doesn't release any music! We are not discussing a slowing down in activity but a complete termination. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Just now, DieselDaisy said: ''Less music''? We are discussing somebody who doesn't release any music! We are not discussing a slowing down in activity but a complete termination. In the period after 1991 GN'R has released less music than in the period 1987-1991. I don't know how you can fail to comprehend that. That being said, stopping to release music is not unusual either. I honestly don't understand how all of this is so difficult for you to accept. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default_ Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: To only put out one album between 1991 and today means a radically different appraisal of the person who released 4 between 1987-1991. We seriously have to ponder whether Rose was that talented (creatively) to begin with, and/or whether he just had ''x'' amount of songs in the bank which left him bereft artistically once those songs were exhausted? We may query whether he requires Stradlin's presence? Ive always seem Axl as a limited musician that had to count on other band members and shadow companies to achieve his visions. Of course he did November Rain and Estranged, but would he be able to come with that without the other members? Would he be able to writte CD without the hired hands? At this point I doubt it. Axl is a question mark for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 52 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: In the period after 1991 GN'R has released less music than in the period 1987-1991. I don't know how you can fail to comprehend that. That being said, stopping to release music is not unusual either. I honestly don't understand how all of this is so difficult for you to accept. It has been eleven years since Chinese Democracy. This is some lessening of work rate we are dealing with here. A lessening to a complete stop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: It has been eleven years since Chinese Democracy. This is some lessening of work rate we are dealing with here. A lessening to a complete stop. There will always be a "complete stop" in releases between releases But again, even if there would be no more albums from GN'R, despite it all, it wouldn't be such an atrocity as you make it sound. Artists stop producing. That's how it is. Get over it Edited July 23, 2019 by SoulMonster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: There will always be a "complete stop" in releases between releases But again, even if there would be no more albums from GN'R, despite it all, it wouldn't be such an atrocity as you make it sound. Artists stop producing. That's how it is. Get over it I stopped attending Rose's fat Vegas tribute act years ago so I think it is fair to say I have long since ''gotten over'' the fact Rose is creatively shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-p-d-a Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 it would be amazing to see these guys on a big stage again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default_ Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, t-p-d-a said: it would be amazing to see these guys on a big stage again. Holy shit, how did you put Micks face on all of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, t-p-d-a said: it would be amazing to see these guys on a big stage again. Damn I didn't know Steven will turn into David Coverdale! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 20 minutes ago, t-p-d-a said: it would be amazing to see these guys on a big stage again. Wtf? Slash and Duf almost same now....but Axl and Steven , you throw them under the bus.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskingApathy Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, WhazUp said: Damn I didn't know Steven will turn into David Coverdale! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 4 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: To only put out one album between 1991 and today means a radically different appraisal of the person who released 4 between 1987-1991. We seriously have to ponder whether Rose was that talented (creatively) to begin with, and/or whether he just had ''x'' amount of songs in the bank which left him bereft artistically once those songs were exhausted? We may query whether he requires Stradlin's presence? Harper Lee only had the one book! I do think he probably needs Stradlin... just because of their history they have an equal power dynamic and can shade in each-other's weakspots. I don't hold it against him that he needs a songwriting partner as that's pretty common among the greats. I do think it sucks, though, that he doesn't acknowledge it or want to re-establish it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Ant said: Harper Lee only had the one book! 2 (sort of) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, janrichmond said: 2 (sort of) We don't speak about 2... her Chinese Democracy . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powderfinger Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 The Nightrain Watchman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 THE MUSIC SPEAKS FOR ITSELF DONE ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester 524 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) On 7/23/2019 at 3:33 PM, MaskingApathy said: Geez, Steven looks so much like his mother! she looks so proud! Edited July 24, 2019 by Chester 524 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Boy Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Why do people 'expect' so much from GnR? We would all like there to have been more music release since 1991, but maybe there's a virtue in only releasing what someone seems is worthy of it, rather than putting out a shitload of mediocre albums for the sake of it and to fulfill recording contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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