The "New Album" Thread . The maybe, possibly, at some point, soon, whenever, wtf Axl thread🤞

[oneway23]

Everywhere one looks, it's the same pile of pretty cool songs over & over & over again.  Thirty years, one album, and three (OMG '99, Absurd, Hardschool) singles officially released.

 

My Bloody Valentine is more prolific than this band!

[Stay.Of.Execution]

Is "Scrapped" the follow-up to Beta's barn?

[StrangerInThisTown]

1 hour ago, CubanSkies Dummy said:

All right, Pelé, you win. So, judging by your posts there are like less of 30 finished songs by Axl Rose and his band called "The Guns and the Roses".

 

SONG TITLE	AXL VOCALS	INFO	OFFICIAL RELEASE
1 - "CHINESE DEMOCRACY"	1999	Earlier version exist and ready to release in early 2000's.  Remake in 2002 w/ extended Bucket solo. Demo and earlier mixes circulating. Alternate final mix circulating. Other names: "Chinese Stew", "Seems Like Josh Spirit"	2008
2 - "SHACKLER'S REVENGE"	2004 / 2005	Buckethead song. Believed to be about Tech Virginia shootin... in 2007. Vocals more likely are from two years earlier. Mix between some Bucket's instrumentals: "Shackler's Revenge", "Shackler's", "Real Doll", "Dub Suplex" and "Prom Violence". Alternate "Rock Band 2" mix circulating. Other names: "Shacklers" "Shackler's Revenge", "Real Doll", "Dub Suplex", "Prom Violence", "Chicken Dinner"	2008
3 - "BETTER"	2002	Robin Finck signature song. Demo and earlier mixes circulating. Alternate final mix circulating. Only song to have an official video. Other names: "Three Dollar Pyramid".	2008

4 - "STREET OF DREAMS"	1999	Earlier version exist and ready to release in early 2000's. Orchestra by Paul Buckmaster in 2002. Demo and earlier mixes circulating. Alternate final mix circulating. Other names: "The Blues", "Stardust"	2008
5 - "IF THE WORLD"	1999	Earlier version exist and ready to release in early 2000's. Demo and earlier mixes circulating. Alternate final mix circulating. Other names: "If"	2008
6 - "THERE WAS A TIME"	1999	Earlier version exist and ready to release in early 2000's. Remake in 2002 w/ extended Bucket solo. Orchestra by Paul Buckmaster in 2002. Demo and earlier mixes circulating. Alternate final mix circulating. Other names: "T.W.A.T."	2008

7 - "CATCHER IN THE RYE"	1999	Earlier version exist and ready to release in early 2000's. Brian May played guitar on this. An idea to be released as a single in 2002? 2003? was considered. Last minute addition to the official album.	2008
8 - "SCRAPPED"	2004 / 2005	Buckethead song. Other names: "Lies They Tell"	2008

9 - "RIAD N' THE BEDOUINS"	1999	Earlier version exist and ready to release in early 2000's. Version with Brian May exist. Demo and earlier mixes circulating. Alternate final mix circulating. Other names: "Rhiad", "Rhiad & The Bedouins", "Riyad"	2008
10 - "SORRY"	2004/2005	Buckethead song. Other names: "I'm Sorry", "Sorry For You"	2008

11 - "I.R.S."	1999	Earlier version exist and ready to release in early 2000's. Demo and earlier mixes circulating. Alternate final mix circulating.	2008
12 - "MADAGASCAR"	1998	Earlier version exist and ready to release in early 2000's. Rumored to be the first recorded vocals by Axl since 1994. Orchestra by Paul Buckmaster in 2002. Demo and earlier mixes circulating. Alternate final mix circulating.	2008

13 - "THIS I LOVE"	2004/2005	Written in 1992. Orchestra by Paul Buckmaster in 2002. Pattie Hood added harp in 2005. Remix by Mantia and new vocals by Axl in 2007.	2008
14 - "PROSTITUTE"	1998	Written in 1993. Earlier version exist and ready to release in early 2000's. Orchestra by Paul Buckmaster in 2002. Demo and earlier mixes circulating. Alternate final mix circulating.	2008

15 - "OH MY GOD"	1999	"B - List" song since 2005. First song to be released from the sessions. Alternate final mix circulating (w/BBF guitar on one channel)	1999
16 - "ABSURD!"	1999	"B- List" song since 2005. Earlier version exist and ready to release in early 2000's. Remake in 2002. Alternate final mix circulating (w/BBF guitar on one channel) Other names: "Silkworms"	2021

17 - "HARD SKOOL"	1999	Earlier version exist and ready to release in early 2000's. Believed to be for a Jackie Chan film. Other names: "Jackie Chan", "Hard School"	2021
18 - "GOING DOWN"	2002	Tommy Stinson song.  Only song from the sessions not to be sung by William Rose. Remake in 2002. Alternate final mix circulating (w/BBF guitar on one channel)	UNRELEASED

19 - "ATLAS SHRUGGED"	1999	"B - List" song since 2005. Earlier version exist and ready to release in early 2000's. Brian May played guitar on this one. Orchestra by Paul Buckmaster in 2002. Demo and earlier mixes circulating.	UNRELEASED
20 - "PERHAPS"	1999	Earlier version exist and ready to release in early 2000's.	UNRELEASED

21 - "THYME"	1999 (Finished)	Instrumental song. Earlier version exist and ready to release in early 2000's. Only song meant to be instrumental. Orchestra by Marco Beltrami in 2002.	UNRELEASED
22 - "EYE ON YOU"	SCRAPPED TRACK	Scrapped track. Some vocals were used in "Hard Skool", buried in the mix.	SCRAPPED TRACK

23 - "PERCEPTION - REALITY - LIFE" (P.R.L)."	SCRAPPED TRACK	Scrapped track.	SCRAPPED TRACK
24 - "MOUSTACHE"	Unknown	Believed to be later called either "Monstrocity" or "Light My Fire"	UNRELEASED

25 - "QUICK SONG"	SCRAPPED TRACK?	Scrapped track? "B - List" song since 2005. Lead ideas by Axl circulating.	UNRELEASED
26 - "ZODIAC"	SCRAPPED TRACK?	Scrapped track? "B - List" song since 2005. More likely a version with lead ideas by Axl exist. Other names: "Zodiac 13"	UNRELEASED

27 - "TONTO"	Unknown	Instrumental version from 1999 exists Rumored to be a finished song in 2008.	UNRELEASED
28 - "THE GENERAL"	2004/2005	Orchestra by Marco Beltrami in 2002. Pre-show intro.	UNRELEASED

29 - "STATE OF GRACE"	1999	A nearly finished version from 1999 exists.	UNRELEASED
30 - "BERLIN"	2002	Believed to be later called "Monstrocity" or "Light My Fire". Other names: "Oklahoma"	UNRELEASED

31 - "DEVIOUS BASTARD"	SCRAPPED TRACK	Scrapped instrumental track.	SCRAPPED TRACK
32 - "CUBAN SKIES"	2002	A song about cigars. Other names: "Dummy", "100 Cuban Skies"	UNRELEASED

33 - "ELVIS"	2004/2005	Orchestra by Marco Beltrami in 2002. Vocals recorded on Christmas Eve. Other names: "Soul Monster", "Elvis Presley & The Monster Of Soul", "Leave Me Alone", "Me & My Elvis"	UNRELEASED
34 - "7"	2004/2005	Orchestra by Marco Beltrami in 2002. Mix between "Circus Maximus", "D Tune" and "Curly Shuffle" Other names: "Seven", "Circus Maximus", "D Tune", "Curly Shuffle", "Ides Of March"	UNRELEASED

35 - "NOTHIN'"	unknown	Lead ideas by Axl circulating. Other names: "Nothing"	UNRELEASED
36 - "AS IT BEGAN"	SCRAPPED TRACK	Scrapped piano piece	SCRAPPED TRACK

37 - "INSIDE OUT"	SCRAPPED TRACK	Scrapped loop	SCRAPPED TRACK
38 - "REBEL"	unknown	Little instrumental	UNRELEASED

YELLOW means finished and released tracks.

GREEN means finished and unreleased tracks.

GRAY means unfinished or scrapped tracks.

 

Don't stop improving your lists until you got "Vocal grunt at 1:24 recorded May 18th 2006, LA studio on the 2nd floor, after lunch."

Edited January 9, 2022 by StrangerInThisTown

[ZoSoRose]

On 1/6/2022 at 10:39 PM, Pele said:

Glad someone sees the truth.

It's good news JohnnyK.  Slash has confirmed they are releasing 'the songs Axl had lying around'.

Now everyone is gonna see exactly what those songs are.

I think (or hope) it’s somewhere in the middle. There is probably a lot less in the “vault” than a lot of posters hope for. I don’t think there is necessarily another 2 albums of near finished ready to go. 2019 was both incredible and underwhelming at the same time in typical GNR fashion. We finally got to hear what all of these songs sound like, but with the asterisk being most didn’t have vocals or were rough demos. Or in the case of The General, was a barely audible snippet of the song. We do know Axl obviously did more work after 2000. As Pele said, the album is proof. How much more? We don’t know, and the Village Sessions can’t answer that question.

I don’t think it’s a stretch that there are a few more surprises left behind the scenes. The instrumentals are the best of The Village Sessions and we know a lot of those became more fleshed out based on the album. Shacklers is way more unfinished than some songs like Zodiac and Oklahoma. We know The General has vocals, why can’t a few others we aren’t sure of?

[StrangerInThisTown]

22 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

I think (or hope) it’s somewhere in the middle. There is probably a lot less in the “vault” than a lot of posters hope for. I don’t think there is necessarily another 2 albums of near finished ready to go. 2019 was both incredible and underwhelming at the same time in typical GNR fashion. We finally got to hear what all of these songs sound like, but with the asterisk being most didn’t have vocals or were rough demos. Or in the case of The General, was a barely audible snippet of the song. We do know Axl obviously did more work after 2000. As Pele said, the album is proof. How much more? We don’t know, and the Village Sessions can’t answer that question.

I don’t think it’s a stretch that there are a few more surprises left behind the scenes. The instrumentals are the best of The Village Sessions and we know a lot of those became more fleshed out based on the album. Shacklers is way more unfinished than some songs like Zodiac and Oklahoma. We know The General has vocals, why can’t a few others we aren’t sure of?

I agree with you. As an example, wasn't the existence of Scraped completely unknown until it came out? It wouldn't be on any of our lists as a possible new song from the vault if it hadn't been included on CD. If that had happened Pele would still say the same he's saying now there's only Atlas/Perhaps etc. It's proof that not everything that exists is even from the village sessions. So there we already have an example of how it's possible that songs we just don't even know of exist, and that we don't have the whole picture.

Edited January 9, 2022 by StrangerInThisTown

[Pele]

17 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

I agree with you. As an example, wasn't the existence of Scraped completely unknown until it came out? It wouldn't be on any of our lists as a possible new song from the vault if it hadn't been included on CD. If that had happened Pele would still say the same he's saying now there's only Atlas/Perhaps etc. It's proof that not everything that exists is even from the village sessions. So there we already have an example of how it's possible that songs we just don't even know of exist, and that we don't have the whole picture.

We're about to get the full picture.

Slash has said they are releasing the songs Axl has lying around.

Let's all see if they are exactly the ones I've been saying they'll be.

[ShadowOfTheWave]

If (big if) the skeptics are right and Axl never finished vocals for Elvis/Oklahoma/Zodiac he should give up the rights and let someone else use them. Those instrumentals are too good to be collecting dust for decades because he's too lazy to finish them.

[Pele]

3 minutes ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

If (big if) the skeptics are right and Axl never finished vocals for Elvis/Oklahoma/Zodiac he should give up the rights and let someone else use them. Those instrumentals are too good to be collecting dust for decades because he's too lazy to finish them.

Bucketheads put over 200 albums out - there are several of these instrumentals out there.  The ones he submitted were just a few of thousands.

[CAFC Nick]

10 hours ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

I agree with you. As an example, wasn't the existence of Scraped completely unknown until it came out? It wouldn't be on any of our lists as a possible new song from the vault if it hadn't been included on CD. If that had happened Pele would still say the same he's saying now there's only Atlas/Perhaps etc. It's proof that not everything that exists is even from the village sessions. So there we already have an example of how it's possible that songs we just don't even know of exist, and that we don't have the whole picture.

Exactly this and this is why I honestly don't think Pele can be so certain of his list. There was zero mention of the title of Scraped by any band member, nor any allusion to lyrical content.

 

10 hours ago, Pele said:

We're about to get the full picture.

Slash has said they are releasing the songs Axl has lying around.

Let's all see if they are exactly the ones I've been saying they'll be.

This comment is slightly misleading IMO. To be completely clear, he isn't saying they are releasing all the songs Axl has lying around so I wouldn't look at this as an exhaustive clear-out of the vault.

[CubanSkies Dummy]

2 hours ago, CAFC Nick said:

Exactly this and this is why I honestly don't think Pele can be so certain of his list. There was zero mention of the title of Scraped by any band member, nor any allusion to lyrical content.

 

This comment is slightly misleading IMO. To be completely clear, he isn't saying they are releasing all the songs Axl has lying around so I wouldn't look at this as an exhaustive clear-out of the vault.

I always have assumed that Lies They Tell is a Constanzo/Rose song from the last minute. Yeah, it seems like an instrumental made by various Bucket pieces but the vocals and so are from 2004/2005... and that's it. 

"Fresh brand new track" to be included replacing The General or any other A-type song.

[gavgnr]

13 hours ago, Pele said:

We're about to get the full picture.

Will believe that when I see it!!

[CubanSkies Dummy]

14 hours ago, Stay.Of.Execution said:

You've got way too much time on your hands

I've been doing that table for about three weeks.

Please, be more respectful.

-

Anyway, I really think that a new album will be dropping soon on our iTunes account.

[Sweersa]

I assumed Light My Fire is a cover, of The Doors song.

I could be wrong though. Sixx: A.M. has a song called Oh My God, but it's not the GN'R song. 

[CubanSkies Dummy]

6 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

I assumed Light My Fire is a cover, of The Doors song.

I could be wrong though. Sixx: A.M. has a song called Oh My God, but it's not the GN'R song. 

Yes.

I don't know. I really think that Oklahoma/Berlin are now called Monstrocity.

And Moustache is TOO good and too beautiful not to be used by Rose and his band called "The Guns and The Roses".

[oneway23]

Many folks hurl all manner of insults at Pele, and then have the stones to get on here and, in the same breath, think it's feasible that Duff would actually perform, record, and release "Goin' Down"?

[Sweersa]

3 minutes ago, CubanSkies Dummy said:

I don't know. I really think that Oklahoma/Berlin are now called Monstrocity.

If I had to guess, I'd say Monstrocity is Zodiac 13.

[CubanSkies Dummy]

Just now, Sweersa said:

If I had to guess, I'd say Monstrocity is Zodiac 13.

If you say so...

I really like the Freese version.

By 2001, that instrumental was way too "electronic" for my taste.

[Stay.Of.Execution]

1 hour ago, CubanSkies Dummy said:

I've been doing that table for about three weeks.

 

-

 

That just proves my point even more 

[Sweersa]

1 hour ago, CubanSkies Dummy said:

If you say so...

I really like the Freese version.

By 2001, that instrumental was way too "electronic" for my taste.

I loooove Robin's solo. I hate thinking about the eventual state of this song with the current lineup.

[Tom2112]

2 hours ago, CubanSkies Dummy said:

I've been doing that table for about three weeks.

Please, be more respectful.

-

Anyway, I really think that a new album will be dropping soon on our iTunes account.

Is this a comedy account? Who spends three weeks making tables about potential gnr recordings??🤣

[El Guapo]

13 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Is this a comedy account? Who spends three weeks making tables about potential gnr recordings??🤣

It's pretty disturbing actually. 

Or should I say... ABSURD! ABSURD!!

[rumandraisin]

2 hours ago, CubanSkies Dummy said:

I've been doing that table for about three weeks.

Please, be more respectful.

-

Anyway, I really think that a new album will be dropping soon on our iTunes account.

Between Cuban skies and Pele this forum has gone quite mad. 

It's like 2 bots repeatedly posting their nonsense. 

[Sweersa]

34 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Is this a comedy account? Who spends three weeks making tables about potential gnr recordings??🤣

Who put that monstrocity together?

[oneway23]

28 minutes ago, rumandraisin said:

Between Cuban skies and Pele this forum has gone quite mad. 

It's like 2 bots repeatedly posting their nonsense. 

This is what happens when a brand, er, band, releases only one album and three singles over the past twenty-five years.

What else is there?  People thinking they're going to actually release two or three singles this year in addition to the UYI box?

Edited January 10, 2022 by oneway23

[rumandraisin]

1 minute ago, oneway23 said:

This is what happens when a brand, er, band, releases only one album and three singles in the past twenty-five years.

What else is there?  People thinking they're going to actually release two or three singles this year in addition to the UYI box?

The only hope I have is that they operate so weirdly that it wouldn't surprise me if they did put both out. Or nothing at all. Anything could happen it seems with this brand... Er, band.