Axl Rose Rape allegation - Supposedly victim speaks out on youtube

[Georgina Arriaga]

35 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

It was spiritual time travelling. She visited her 15-old self. When she was 15 she had felt one of her witch goddesses comforting her, but years later she spiritually travelled back and realized she had been comforted by her older self from the future.

WTF?  please explain more of this

[Scream of the Butterfly]

6 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Yes, it's a story known for years and by some accounts it involved a girl getting thrown out naked, but they all said there was no rape, although there may have been sex.

Who all said there was no rape? Slash and Duff?

[Axls_Moustache_Rules]

1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

It was spiritual time travelling. She visited her 15-old self. When she was 15 she had felt one of her witch goddesses comforting her, but years later she spiritually travelled back and realized she had been comforted by her older self from the future.

Huh?

 

That settles it. 

[Ixtlan]

On 1/20/2022 at 4:21 PM, VampireSoul said:

I have no opinion on this as a whole but I read through her Twitter and she says her and Axl were a couple and she knew all the guys in GN'R etc. She doesn't have one picture with any of them, ever? That's weird to me. I still have pics of all my exes and their friends and I've been married for 18 years 😅 Is she claiming to be Michelle from My Michelle? Cause we all know that's bs. 

She also said Duff ignored her at a show recently and that Axl sang her song recently in her presence. I dunno.. It's weird. And she keeps asking them all to 'make it right'.. How? What would make such a thing right? 

She said Axl sang a song to her recently? 

[Scream of the Butterfly]

3 hours ago, Blackstar said:

It was spiritual time travelling. She visited her 15-old self. When she was 15 she had felt one of her witch goddesses comforting her, but years later she spiritually travelled back and realized she had been comforted by her older self from the future.

I think it's pretty common for people who have been abused as children (or even as adults) to have comforting visions such as this and even a therapist might encourage such visualizing.

Witchcraft has gained a lot of popularity in recent years and it doesn't always involve any actual belief in the supernatural. Even when it does I'd say it's generally more down to earth or at least no wackier than mainstream religions. I wouldn't dismiss a person on the basis that they identify as a witch any more than I would dismiss a person on the basis that they identify as Christian or Muslim.

[Live Like a Suicide]

14 hours ago, Underhardy said:

I mean yeah the guys are all gonna ignore her if this story is true. We’ll never know. 

Yeah, but anyone in their right mind would also ignore someone making false accusations. 

Edited January 22, 2022 by Live Like a Suicide

[Blackstar]

20 hours ago, Scream of the Butterfly said:

 

 

Oh well, I don't watch TED videos. But still, this is only one case among millions and it has no similarities to our case. The people in the video talked and reconciled in private first and then they decided together to share their story. The case we're discussing is a woman calling out someone in public as a rapist and (supposing that all she says is true, which you obviously believe) the man admitting it in public and apologizing.

20 hours ago, Scream of the Butterfly said:

Who all said there was no rape? Slash and Duff?

People who have talked about it: Slash, Duff, Vicky Hamilton, Raz Cue's brother (as quoted by Raz Cue).

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

From what I heard Axl was accused by someone for rape, but no chargers were ever filed so the case was dropped.

I know Axl wrote "out to get me" during the time he was hiding out until this was proved wrong. I honestly hope that it wasn't true.

Rape is nothing to ignore, but it was a long time ago, so who knows?

I know unfortunately rape accusations are never reported and that sucks. We've seen it in the news constantly.  I think when it comes to rape things have to be handled better for everyone involved especially the person who is raped.

[Blackstar]

20 hours ago, Georgina Arriaga said:

WTF?  please explain more of this

She said she has the power/ability to time travel spiritually. She first mentioned feeling comforted and hugged by the goddess while sitting alone in her apartment after the fact. Later in her speech she "revealed" that years later she went to that same apartment, got herself in a spiritual state, went back in time and comforted her 15-year-old self, so it turned out that she had been hugged by her future self.

She mentioned another instance, irrelevant to Axl/GnR, of it happening: There was a guy living in the same apartment block as her who she liked, but he ignored her. So she did a magic ritual with a candle to make him want her, despite being warned against it by the witch goddesses, and as soon as she cast the spell, the guy knocked on her door and asked her out. They went out and then to his place, they started making out, she went down on him only to find out that there was something wrong with his genitals, his balls were deformed or something ( I didn't get what it was exactly and it doesn't matter) and it was "gross." She then ran away hearing the goddess laughing at her, and she believes that it was in fact herself coming from the future laughing at her.

[Blackstar]

18 hours ago, Scream of the Butterfly said:

I think it's pretty common for people who have been abused as children (or even as adults) to have comforting visions such as this and even a therapist might encourage such visualizing.

Witchcraft has gained a lot of popularity in recent years and it doesn't always involve any actual belief in the supernatural. Even when it does I'd say it's generally more down to earth or at least no wackier than mainstream religions. I wouldn't dismiss a person on the basis that they identify as a witch any more than I would dismiss a person on the basis that they identify as Christian or Muslim.

She said it's one of the "abilities" she has and mentioned another time of it happening (see my  post right above), which had nothing to do with abuse and comfort).

Nowhere did I say that she would have been more "legit" if she said she was speaking with Jesus instead.

[Ixtlan]

55 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

She said she has the power/ability to time travel spiritually. She first mentioned feeling comforted and hugged by the goddess while sitting alone in her apartment after the fact. Later in her speech she "revealed" that years later she went to that same apartment, got herself in a spiritual state, went back in time and comforted her 15-year-old self, so it turned out that she had been hugged by her future self.

She mentioned another instance, irrelevant to Axl/GnR, of it happening: There was a guy living in the same apartment block as her who she liked, but he ignored her. So she did a magic ritual with a candle to make him want her, despite being warned against it by the witch goddesses, and as soon as she cast the spell, the guy knocked on her door and asked her out. They went out and then to his place, they started making out, she went down on him only to find out that there was something wrong with his genitals, his balls were deformed or something ( I didn't get what it was exactly and it doesn't matter) and it was "gross." She then ran away hearing the goddess laughing at her, and she believes that it was in fact herself coming from the future laughing at her.

This woman should not be getting any attention at all. 

[Scream of the Butterfly]

3 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Oh well, I don't watch TED videos. But still, this is only one case among millions and it has no similarities to our case. The people in the video talked and reconciled in private first and then they decided together to share their story. The case we're discussing is a woman calling out someone in public as a rapist and (supposing that all she says is true, which you obviously believe) the man admitting it in public and apologizing.

As I said earlier I agree it's unlikely that Axl's going to come out and admit to it or apologize. Just wanted to point out that generally speaking it isn't an entirely unprecedented thing to happen. Plus I think the video is well worth watching in its own right so didn't want to waste an opportunity to share it. Kobe Bryant is another person that comes to mind who publicly apologized to his victim.

3 hours ago, Blackstar said:

People who have talked about it: Slash, Duff, Vicky Hamilton, Raz Cue's brother (as quoted by Raz Cue).

According to Vicky, Axl said to her, "It was stupid, involving a girl... It won't happen again." An odd thing for an innocent man to say. Other than that everything she heard about the incident was hearsay.

Raz had this to say: "Are you familiar with the #littlemichellelives thing going around? We all knew Michelle was fifteen. Hell, she barely looked her age. Forcible or statutory, you still got a rape. We can all agree that there are different, conflicting, versions of what transpired in December 1985. But every version has a fifteen-year-old girl getting tossed naked from your band’s rehearsal studio into a filthy alley, where she was left shaking, sobbing and wailing from the utter brutality inflicted by your singer, Axl Rose. Does a “good dude” treat another human being like this? Do the other “good dudes” help hide the perpetrator of crimes against a child, then aid in a coverup so that everyone’s dreams of becoming rock stars won’t get smashed like windshields in a riot? How would your life have changed if your world class singer was thrown in to the pokey, before GNR signed a recording contract?"

[Live Like a Suicide]

I honestly don't know why we are even entertaining this allegation. We know that a case (likely this one) against Axl was filed and dropped, and we know that this allegation cannot now be progressed in the court system. Discussing a dropped and expired case is pointless, especially when there is such little evidence surrounding it. I feel for the lady and whatever it is she truly experienced, but the fact is that nothing will come out of it and there is no point to discussing it further.

[Blackstar]

27 minutes ago, Scream of the Butterfly said:

As I said earlier I agree it's unlikely that Axl's going to come out and admit to it or apologize. Just wanted to point out that generally speaking it isn't an entirely unprecedented thing to happen. Plus I think the video is well worth watching in its own right so didn't want to waste an opportunity to share it. Kobe Bryant is another person that comes to mind who publicly apologized to his victim.

According to Vicky, Axl said to her, "It was stupid, involving a girl... It won't happen again." An odd thing for an innocent man to say. Other than that everything she heard about the incident was hearsay.

Raz had this to say: "Are you familiar with the #littlemichellelives thing going around? We all knew Michelle was fifteen. Hell, she barely looked her age. Forcible or statutory, you still got a rape. We can all agree that there are different, conflicting, versions of what transpired in December 1985. But every version has a fifteen-year-old girl getting tossed naked from your band’s rehearsal studio into a filthy alley, where she was left shaking, sobbing and wailing from the utter brutality inflicted by your singer, Axl Rose. Does a “good dude” treat another human being like this? Do the other “good dudes” help hide the perpetrator of crimes against a child, then aid in a coverup so that everyone’s dreams of becoming rock stars won’t get smashed like windshields in a riot? How would your life have changed if your world class singer was thrown in to the pokey, before GNR signed a recording contract?"

"There was no rape" = "there was no forcible rape", as, like I said, by some accounts there was sex with the girl. And what Axl said to Vicky Hamilton (according to her) could have also meant just having sex, since the girl was a minor, or that he locked her out of the door without her clothes. Also, for what it's worth (although she wasn't there) Vicky said recently that she doesn't believe it was rape.

Marc Canter had this to say (of course he wasn't there either, but his account seems to reflect what he'd been told by Axl: Most of the band members were staying at [Vicky's] place because Axl was hiding from the vice squad. A young woman had accused Axl and Slash of attempted rape, and because of his previous run-ins with the cops he was convinced they wouldn't believe he was innocent. The charges were eventually dropped. [Reckless Road, 2007]

As for Raz Cue, I meant his brother's account that he quoted, not his own: The night that happened, I only heard reports from my brother, who was GNR’s stage manager and piss boy. He came in the house and straight off told me, “Axl’s such an idiot, he banged that chick Michelle, then she wouldn’t leave.” So he tossed her out naked and threw her clothes at her and locked the door. [razcue.com, July 2, 2019]

On a related note, Raz Cue has taken down his open letters from his webpage, I don't know since when. Maybe he heard from a lawyer.

Edited January 23, 2022 by Blackstar

[Ixtlan]

Axl is a good dude. 

[darkside259]

I don t like this post, is such a bulshit 

[Draguns]

On 1/16/2022 at 5:28 PM, Scream of the Butterfly said:

False rape accusations do occur, but they are rare, and it would be highly unusual for a woman of her age and life situation to come out with a made-up story such as this, especially in absence of specific circumstances such as psychosis or a history of pathological lying. It's clear that people who know her believe her. She's not known as a person who would lie about something like this. She's not some random fan girl desperate to gain her idol's attention by any means possible. She's an actual person from the band's past, and she's married to another man, who also supports her in this. If she was unduly looking for attention I don't think she would have kept silent for as long as she did.

The fact that some fans still cling on to the idea that Gina, Sheila, Erin, Stephanie, and their witnesses, were also all lying frankly reeks of desperation. I guess all I can say to that is that just because something is theoretically possible doesn't mean it's likely. It would be nice if none of it was true, but I for one can't allow myself to believe that.

The funny thing is that Axl himself came very close to admitting that he had abused women in some of his old interviews. For a while it seemed like he was willing to accept some responsibility for what he had done. That's why I wouldn't rule it out entirely that he might come clean and apologize. It's probably not going to happen, though. I think in later years, after the break-up with Stephanie, the lawsuits, etc, he fell back to misogyny and any frail attempt at self-improvement in that department was aborted.

I brought this up once before when the woman came on here. This didn't happen to me, but I was friends with one woman when I was 15. She was 17. She was and still is bipolar. Her family is  heavy to Catholicism. She dated a guy in his early 20s.  They had sex. She accused him of rape since she was ashamed for having sex and she wasn't taking medication. The rape charge proved to be false. He didn't want to press charges. He was concerned that her father would have caused issues for him. Her father was Chief of Fire in a NJ city. He knew politicians in NJ as well. As a result, the guy just wanted to be left alone. 

False rape charges maybe rare in the statistics, but it probably happens more  than we know.  This isn't meant to discount rape. It stinks when this happens to women.  However, false rape charges happen.  So who knows if this woman is telling the truth about Axl. For this one, I have my doubts. 

[Ixtlan]

It is a well established fact Axl’s greatest crime is the release of the song Scraped. 

[DurhamGirl]

The world has become more dangerous place than ever and as a consequence various groups would like us to be distracted away from their plans.  Axl is known to be left wing politically along with being famous this may be seen as dangerous to certain political factions, it may be advantagous to them to have some female come out with allegations such as this.  This may seem far fetched, I would of thought so a couple of years ago not now.  So I am not going to bother myself with this woman or anyone else

Edited January 24, 2022 by DurhamGirl

[Pele]

4 hours ago, DurhamGirl said:

The world has become more dangerous place than ever and as a consequence various groups would like us to be distracted away from their plans.  Axl is known to be left wing politically along with being famous this may be seen as dangerous to certain political factions, it may be advantagous to them to have some female come out with allegations such as this.  This may seem far fetched, I would of thought so a couple of years ago not now.  So I am not going to bother myself with this woman or anyone else

I've always said he's possibly become this anti-Trump liberal to try and deflect a potential MeToo situation

[denin]

On 1/22/2022 at 12:40 AM, Blackstar said:

It was spiritual time travelling. She visited her 15-old self. When she was 15 she had felt one of her witch goddesses comforting her, but years later she spiritually travelled back and realized she had been comforted by her older self from the future.

Axl did that, too. His regression therapy sessions got him back to being a 2-year-old, when he was allegedly abused by his biological father. Then he got beyond that and reached a past life, where he and Erin Everly were Native Americans, and this pre-Erin killed their children. His preoccupation with the transmigration of the soul concept was made explicit in the Don't Cry video, for one.

[Blackstar]

3 hours ago, denin said:

Axl did that, too. His regression therapy sessions got him back to being a 2-year-old, when he was allegedly abused by his biological father. Then he got beyond that and reached a past life, where he and Erin Everly were Native Americans, and this pre-Erin killed their children. His preoccupation with the transmigration of the soul concept was made explicit in the Don't Cry video, for one.

Yes, I've read about all that. I don't know if everything said about what he believed is true, except, of course, for what he talked about himself.

EDIT: I think regression therapy is generally bs (although there are confirmed true elements in the story about what happened to Axl when he was 2, which may have not come from the regression therapy but from direct memory or feedback); however, it's not the same concept (as well as the belief in past lives) as time travel.

Anyway, maybe Axl and LM connect in a future life. Unfortunately Sharon Maynard/"Yoda" is not alive, but maybe LM's witch goddesses offer their help.

Edited January 25, 2022 by Blackstar

[themadcaplaughs]

22 hours ago, Pele said:

I've always said he's possibly become this anti-Trump liberal to try and deflect a potential MeToo situation

Or maybe, I don't know, he just doesn't like former President Trump. It was/is hardly an uncommon opinion. To be fair, the band was doing anti-Trump stuff pretty much from the eve of his election, so before MeToo even started as a movement. 

[Pele]

1 hour ago, denin said:

Axl did that, too. His regression therapy sessions got him back to being a 2-year-old, when he was allegedly abused by his biological father. Then he got beyond that and reached a past life, where he and Erin Everly were Native Americans, and this pre-Erin killed their children. His preoccupation with the transmigration of the soul concept was made explicit in the Don't Cry video, for one.

Exactly.

They all laugh at Michelle for making these claims but Rose has been making them for decades.

And he has allegedly used misdemeanors in past-lives as justification for using violence on these women.

And if you want a laugh, look at the little toy sculpture this guy sold him to allow him to 'time travel'. (Rose mentioned at 19mins in)

Remember when Rose got arrested at Phoenix Arizona Airport in 1998 for assaulting the baggage handler.  It's because he'd just visited this guy, and didn't want that sculpture to be broken.

Edited January 25, 2022 by Pele

[CubanSkies Dummy]

As a scientist myself, I cannot believe her. She's talking a little too much.