Screamin' Demon Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 (edited) While I have definitely changed musical tastes & am not much of a rocker anmymore, I have to give Sorry the credit that it receives. It is an amazing song against Narcissists & Narcissism. Having grown up under the authoritarian environment of a Narcissistic Mother who has all 12/12 traits: I have been subjected to all these: * Superiority & entitlement * Exaggerated need for attention & validation * Lack of responsibility - blaming & deflecting * Lack of boundaries * Lack of empathy * Emotional reasoning * Splitting * Fear * Anxiety * Shame * Inability to be truly vulnerable * Inability to communicate or work as part of a team The lyrics & the feel of Sorry truly do reveal & illustrate all these, with the slow, dark-bluesy feeling of the song & its emotional heaviness. Here is a performance from Sydney in 2010 that was nailed 100% perfectly. One can see me at 1:25 the guy with the bandana & longish hair banging his head: As for the Anti-Narcissistic lyrics: You like to hurt me you know that you do You like to think in some way that its me and not you You like to have me jump and be good, but I don't want to do it You don't know why I wont act the way you think I should You thought they'd make me, behave and submit What were you thinking, cause I don't forget You don't know why I wont give in To hell with the pressure I'm not caving in You know that I got under your skin You sold your soul but I wont let you win You talk to much You say I do Difference is know one cares about you You've got all the answers You know everything Well nobody asked you Its a mystery to me I'm sorry for you Not sorry for me (not sorry for me) You don't know who in the hell to or not to believe I'm sorry for you Not sorry for me (not sorry for me) You don't know who you can trust now But you should believe You should believe You close your eyes All well and good I'll kick your ass like I said that I would You tell them story's they'd rather believe Use and confuse them their numb and naive Truth is the truth hurts don't you agree Its harder to live with the truth about you Than to live with the lies about me Know body owes you Not one god damn thing You know where to put your Just shut up and say I'm sorry for you Not sorry for me (not sorry for me) You don't know who in the hell to or not to believe I'm sorry for you Not sorry for me (not sorry for me) You chose to hurt those that love you and wont set them free Edited December 18, 2022 by Screamin' Demon 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghetti4twenty Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Might be my favorite song off the album. It’s like the Get In The Ring of that era but more mature. I love the production style, how the vocals are doubles panned left and right rather than one dead in the center. Gives the song its attitude 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 It was really great to hear the version from the locker leaks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scream of the Butterfly Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Slash is a narcissist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnr2k Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Sorry's lyrics are so cringe which is too bad bc the music is one of the tracks on the album. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghetti4twenty Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 25 minutes ago, gnfnr2k said: Sorry's lyrics are so cringe which is too bad bc the music is one of the tracks on the album. I find them less cringey than most of what’s written for UYI1&2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnr2k Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 30 minutes ago, Spaghetti4twenty said: I find them less cringey than most of what’s written for UYI1&2 Not even close. Sorry is on par with shotgun blues and that song is terrible lyrically. UYI has some of GNRs best lyrics 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 (edited) Lol the lyrics were cool when I was a teenager Edited December 20, 2022 by ZoSoRose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powderfinger Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 On 12/18/2022 at 2:47 PM, Screamin' Demon said: Know body owes you what does body owe, and how does Axl know? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghetti4twenty Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, gnfnr2k said: Not even close. Sorry is on par with shotgun blues and that song is terrible lyrically. UYI has some of GNRs best lyrics I think it has some of the best and some of the worst. Axl lyrics are hit or miss I guess lol. I have a pretty high tolerance but I tap out (no pun intended) at the Get In The Ring rant, that one takes the crown for me Edited December 20, 2022 by Spaghetti4twenty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnr2k Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Spaghetti4twenty said: I think it has some of the best and some of the worst. Axl lyrics are hit or miss I guess lol. I have a pretty high tolerance but I tap out (no pun intended) at the Get In The Ring rant, that one takes the crown for me The chorus is good on sorry but most of the lyrics are just Axl crying woah is me. The I dont want to do it, is probably the most embarrassing thing in an Axl song ever 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanecrescente Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 1 hour ago, gnfnr2k said: The chorus is good on sorry but most of the lyrics are just Axl crying woah is me. The I dont want to do it, is probably the most embarrassing thing in an Axl song ever If Dracula jumped on a Pink Floyd rip-off 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-W.A.R- Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 5 hours ago, kanecrescente said: If Dracula jumped on a Pink Floyd rip-off Ive always felt that This I Love is pitch perfect for a Dracula musical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaguns1982 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 I like that little whistle along to “truth is the truth hurts, don’t you agree?” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaneisKing1389 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) On 12/21/2022 at 3:29 AM, megaguns1982 said: I like that little whistle along to “truth is the truth hurts, don’t you agree?” I never noticed until a couple weeks ago. Weird decisions all over that album. “But I don’t want to do it,” is one where the producer should’ve slapped him. Also, funny story about it. An ex once asked who Debra was and why she was so mean. “You know, ‘Debra says nobody cares about you.’” I still hear that every time. Edited December 22, 2022 by DaneisKing1389 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXL_N_DIZZY Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Brilliant track- and best song on Chinese IMHO. Have had casuals in my car ask me which Illusions it's from again. That good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Having also grown up with a narcissistic mother, one of those lines threw me off of your thesis: "Its harder to live with the truth about youThan to live with the lies about me" A true narcissist will never introspect and find the fault within themself. So, finding the truth about oneself as a narcissist is very rare. Anyway, I hope you went full no-contact as I did. Being around somebody that is mentally ill will make (and keep) you mentally ill. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 One of my least favorites from CD. Not only because of the lyrics, but because, back in 2010, we knew that if sorry popped in the setlist, it meant they’d be playing THAT set - the one they carried on playing until 2016 or something 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvH Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 I love Bach's harmonies on this one. Not a big fan of the lyrics through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screamin' Demon Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share Posted December 26, 2022 On 12/23/2022 at 5:34 PM, The Black said: Having also grown up with a narcissistic mother, one of those lines threw me off of your thesis: "Its harder to live with the truth about youThan to live with the lies about me" A true narcissist will never introspect and find the fault within themself. So, finding the truth about oneself as a narcissist is very rare. Anyway, I hope you went full no-contact as I did. Being around somebody that is mentally ill will make (and keep) you mentally ill. Yeah, the quote you put from the song speaks about the trait "lack of responsibility - blaming and deflecting". Some Narcissists can be less extreme, depecting on how many traits they possess. But imagine a Narcissist to the extreme, possessing all 12 or so traits & using you as their supply any second possible. It is enough to drive you crazy, but I've made the conclusion that it is just must easier to completely eject my Narcissistic Mother from my hands & let Karma or something alike deal with her; surely "the eyes of truth" are watching one as that New-Age musician Enigma once said in their song by such name. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 On 12/23/2022 at 9:56 AM, Cosmo said: One of my least favorites from CD. Not only because of the lyrics, but because, back in 2010, we knew that if sorry popped in the setlist, it meant they’d be playing THAT set - the one they carried on playing until 2016 or something 😂 Not sure what set you were on about? Does that mean a CD heavy set? When they threw in Sorry that usually meant that they were adding songs to the preexisting set. This confused me😄 Love the song, I not a lyric guy though certain songs yes, but for the most part I listening to the vocal melody and the band unless something is either so good / bad I can't help but take further notice. Nothing agai at these lyrics. Heard better, heard worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 44 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: Not sure what set you were on about? Does that mean a CD heavy set? When they threw in Sorry that usually meant that they were adding songs to the preexisting set. This confused me😄 I just checked setlist.fm and Sorry didn't indicate which setlist they were gonna play - it was after LALD, if it was gonna be TIL or ITW. But I remember Sorry making me pissed in one of the concerts I went to. Could be RiR 2011. That must have been when I realized it was gonna be same old same old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Cosmo said: I just checked setlist.fm and Sorry didn't indicate which setlist they were gonna play - it was after LALD, if it was gonna be TIL or ITW. But I remember Sorry making me pissed in one of the concerts I went to. Could be RiR 2011. That must have been when I realized it was gonna be same old same old. Think the hint was Chinese, jungle, ISE, brownstone 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimisbatman Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 On 12/19/2022 at 8:23 PM, SoulMonster said: It was really great to hear the version from the locker leaks. How does it differ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Top 3 song of CD along with Better and TWAT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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