09/15/23 - Hollywood, FL - Hard Rock Live

[Blackstar]

10 minutes ago, LandOla said:

Now that the Perhaps video is in the can, he's letting himself go again 

They're still shooting footage (probably for a potential future live release), so it's not that.

[meadsoap]

The people in here who are seriously making fun of the body of someone we know has been sick and on medication for weeks now... disgusting people with rotten cores. 

Edited September 17, 2023 by meadsoap

[meadsoap]

Here's an idea. Why don't you give yourselves a throat infection, get your doctor to prescribe a corticosteroids (known to cause severe bloating), and then get on stage and run around 3 hrs while people take pictures from every angle. Then come back here and let us see how many "jokes" we can think of about you.

 

Some of you are making fun of Axl would be in for a rude awakening.

[Axls Rocket Queen]

No surprises it's taking the female posters in here to explain that transient bloating is a thing

[adamsapple]

2 hours ago, meadsoap said:

Here's an idea. Why don't you give yourselves a throat infection, get your doctor to prescribe a corticosteroids (known to cause severe bloating), and then get on stage and run around 3 hrs while people take pictures from every angle. Then come back here and let us see how many "jokes" we can think of about you.

 

Some of you are making fun of Axl would be in for a rude awakening.

If your doctor prescribes cortisone for a throat infection, I'd say it's time to consult a new doctor.

Cortisone or prednisone is to keep severe inflammation in check, most prominently with auto immune symptoms and it does not "bloat" you, yet it does fuck up your body's own cortisone production, your insulin levels, the absorbance of basically everything you put in your body, your sleep, energy, concentration, hormones, skin, hair, nails, everything, along with your mental health. That "bloating" is too much water getting stored in the cells (similar to the pump effect from creatine, but in this case it doesn't go to the muscle tissue but affects the face, belly, hands, legs and feet) and it will go away as soon as you no longer take cortisone. Either way, it's not to be taken long term and more of an emergency drug for severe inflammation. It is not to be used for infections, at least not by anyone who studied medicine. If you have a throat infection, you need to gargle with salt water (actual salt, not "table salt"), drink lots of ginger tea (ginger also brings down inflammation) and if you're not better after three days you might consider an antibiotic, but certainly not cortisone.

I'd say the weight gain is more likely coming from that piss poor American food and eating culture. European food is much healthier, hence a lot less obesity in Europe.

[meadsoap]

This situation reminds me of when people were calling Chadwick boseman a crackhead because of the changes in his body, only to find out that he had a chronic disease that eventually took his life. I'm not saying that represents Axl's situation, just that we don't know and it's impossible to know what is truly going on no matter how famous or "healthy" someone seems. 

So have some common human decency and just... stop it. It's not right to do to anyone, Axl or not.

Edited September 17, 2023 by meadsoap

[Martin Riggs]

8 hours ago, JasmineSwe said:

I find it hard to grasp that rockstar millionaires stop at gas stations to buy stuff  But I saw Beta's clip so they obviously do. I think Axl worked hard with training and diet before the tour, while flying during the European leg it might have been easier to keep it up. 

Maybe he was on Ozempic and it started having adverse efffects so he had to quit.

[metalavenger99]

3 hours ago, Blackstar said:

They're still shooting footage (probably for a potential future live release), so it's not that.

Do you see that happening?  Some sort of Appetite 4 Democracy type release? I'd like that only if it included backstage footage

If i had to bet i'd say that they are gonna use the rest of the footage for those cool show recaps they were doing and maybe a promo for the next tour on YT (not that it makes much sense) 

[Blackstar]

8 minutes ago, metalavenger99 said:

Do you see that happening?  Some sort of Appetite 4 Democracy type release? I'd like that only if it included backstage footage

If i had to bet i'd say that they are gonna use the rest of the footage for those cool show recaps they were doing and maybe a promo for the next tour on YT (not that it makes much sense) 

I don't think that they would be paying a filming crew just to make 1-min. long show recaps or a promo for the next tour (which will be in at least two years from now).

I thought that a live release/Blu-ray might be in the cards when these show recaps first appeared on the European leg, which made obvious that they had a filming crew with them. Then there was the Perhaps video, but they still have the film crew, so I think something more is being planned (although "plans change" etc.).

[Martin Riggs]

13 minutes ago, meadsoap said:

I made up a scenario of how sickness can change your appearance. I didn't say it was what Axl had, just was trying to get people to think about how they would wanted to be treated if they were in a similar situation to Axl. Y'know basic human empathy?

If you feel scolded by what I said, look inside and see why that is. If you weren't one of the ones making fun of a sick man going through public health issues, then it doesn't apply to you. But if you do... hit dogs are the ones who holler and all that.

I’m not making fun of his appearance, but at the same time I don’t think it’s inappropriate for people on a message board to notice a weight gain and then speculate on the cause. That’s all. 

[alangarcianr]

I’m pretty sure You can’t grow a full belly in a few months. 
 

Unless he’s dealing with some shit with his stomach like a gastritis or something 

[meadsoap]

12 minutes ago, Martin Riggs said:

I’m not making fun of his appearance, but at the same time I don’t think it’s inappropriate for people on a message board to notice a weight gain and then speculate on the cause. That’s all. 

Maybe you weren't, but that is what this discussion quickly devolved into...as it always does. In this forum, people can't make observations without being cruel and judgemental, and that is the true reason why this message board is dying and will continue to die.

The culture here disgusts people, and they will continue disappear one by one as the have been doing for a while. It is what it is.

Edited September 17, 2023 by meadsoap

[AxlRoseCDII]

I don’t really care what Axl looks like. I care about the voice. Never really understood the weight shaming. The man is 61, if I look like that at that age I feel I’m doing something right.

[Blackjacker]

Show was fantastic.  Axl sounded great except for a stretch on Rocket Queen, disappointingly, as that’s my 2nd favorite, but he really was great throughout.  My girlfriend focuses on Slash most of the show, and said he was as energetic as she’s seen him in the last few years live.

That venue is perfect. Anything less than couch seating with waitress service will forever be a disappointment from now on.

That show, like the two there in 2021 and two in AC in 2021, makes the case that that’s the type of gig these guys should have been doing the last few years without new (like, NEW) music to tour behind - 2-3 night stays in high-priced small theaters, maybe another residency in Vegas.

The blackjack tables in that place have the filthiest goddamn chips I’ve ever seen.  Textured clay casino chips naturally collect body oils and then dirt, but the Floridian toe-jam on their chips was nasty. Wash ‘em once every couple years!

EDIT: I didn’t even hate Wichita Lineman this time, though there’s no reason for it to be in the set any longer, except that I guess they’ve already paid for the background animations.

Edited September 17, 2023 by Blackjacker
Lineman

[Gordon Comstock]

31 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I don't think that they would be paying a filming crew just to make 1-min. long show recaps or a promo for the next tour (which will be in at least two years from now).

I thought that a live release/Blu-ray might be in the cards when these show recaps first appeared on the European leg, which made obvious that they had a filming crew with them. Then there was the Perhaps video, but they still have the film crew, so I think something more is being planned (although "plans change" etc.).

 

A few youtube videos (like Patience from the Gorge) and maybe 1-2 selects spread over the next year is a lot more likely than a blu ray IMO. Maybe they'll put together another live montage music video for The General but even that's a stretch. This isn't the first time they've toured with a film crew so I don't think it really means anything as far as releases are concerned.

[Blackstar]

12 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

A few youtube videos (like Patience from the Gorge) and maybe 1-2 selects spread over the next year is a lot more likely than a blu ray IMO. Maybe they'll put together another live montage music video for The General but even that's a stretch. This isn't the first time they've toured with a film crew so I don't think it really means anything as far as releases are concerned.

I don't think they had a film crew following them behind the scenes, like around the city or at the hotel, so much before though (although the behind the scenes footage on the NA leg seems to be mostly from inside the venues, like soundchecks).

[JimiRose]

1 hour ago, meadsoap said:

I'd say you need to shut the fuck up and stop acting like you know anything about Axl's medical situation at all (Edit: my use of that infection was just an example, but not even I know). You don't know what he's sick with or what meds he took, just that he was taking meds and he's still showing symptoms of illness.

That should be enough to shut down any conversation or criticism or comment about his body, and if it doesn't for you .... see my first comment about exactly what I think of you.

'Stop acting like you know anything about axls medication, whilst i pretend to know what medication he is on and make up everything that comes with that, then get really angry that you would dare do the same'

Calm down, you cant be angry and a hypocrite. 

[Blackstar]

1 hour ago, alangarcianr said:

I’m pretty sure You can’t grow a full belly in a few months. 
 

Unless he’s dealing with some shit with his stomach like a gastritis or something 

Axl's hasn't had a completely flat stomach in at least 20 years - even in his slimmer periods during that time, he had a little gut (btw, Slash hasn't had a flat stomach in a while either). Most of the time, especially after a certain age, once someone gets a gut the slightest weight gain (particularly when it's due to eating junk food that is all saturated fat), tends to go mostly in that area, so it's more noticeable.

But it can also be partially temporary and that area may be more bloated on some days than on othes for various reasons (e.g. after having a few beers, or because of a digestive system condition of because of medication, etc.).

And then, of course, it's the clothes and the angle of pictures/videos.

Edited September 17, 2023 by Blackstar

[Gordon Comstock]

19 minutes ago, meadsoap said:

Go back and read my comments, because that's the opposite of what I said. Or you're being willfully ignorant because you think it discredits what I said. In know you're a mod here, and it's in your best interest to continue the toxic culture here. If you actually have af about it, you would be responding to the people making fat jokes about a sick man and not worrying yourself about me.

 

He's not a mod, but he's right, you should calm down. If 'fat jokes' on the internet really make you this upset, the issue is with you. There's 1 or 2 comments like that, and you've gone off on half a dozen posts about toxicity and health issues. If you're referring to my post on the last page, with the 'who ate all the pussy shirt', you're really overreacting. Not every single comment about the guys appearance is intended as vicious or insulting, it's simply a comment about the guy who the forum is dedicated to.

[Ratam]

21 minutes ago, meadsoap said:

Go back and read my comments, because that's the opposite of what I said. Or you're being willfully ignorant because you think it discredits what I said. In know you're a mod here, and it's in your best interest to continue the toxic culture here. If you actually have af about it, you would be responding to the people making fat jokes about a sick man and not worrying yourself about me.

Sorry, JimiRose not is Mod.

[jamillos]

Personally couldn't give a damn, he looks better than a few years back ...but he should've kept the long hair. 

[Gnrcane]

24 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Axl's hasn't had a completely flat stomach in at least 20 years - even in his slimmer periods during that time, he had a little gut (btw, Slash hasn't had a flat stomach in a while either). Most of the time, especially after a certain age, once someone gets a gut the slightest weight gain tends to go mostly in that area, so it's more noticeable.

But it can also be partially temporary and that area may be more bloated on some days than on othes for various reasons (e.g. after having a few beers, or because of a digestive system condition of because of medication, etc.).

And then, of course, it's the clothes and the angle of pictures/videos.

As long as it doesn't effect his performance, I don't really care what Axl's physical condition is.  I'm paying to see him sing and perform rock songs.  If he was a model and I was going to a fashion show then it would matter.  Just for care of his health I don't want to see him morbidly obese but being in the kind of shape Duff is in takes a lot of dedication (helped by genes).  It's hard for a lot of people to be in that kind of shape in their late 50s and early 60s.

[Blackstar]

3 minutes ago, Gnrcane said:

As long as it doesn't effect his performance, I don't really care what Axl's physical condition is.  I'm paying to see him sing and perform rock songs.  If he was a model and I was going to a fashion show then it would matter.  Just for care of his health I don't want to see him morbidly obese but being in the kind of shape Duff is in takes a lot of dedication (helped by genes).  It's hard for a lot of people to be in that kind of shape in their late 50s and early 60s.

I agree. I wasn't being judgemental, btw. I have never been and haven't even commented on Axl's weight too often. I just made an observation because, for some reason, Axl's appearance is a recurrent topic on the forums.

Not long ago, one of the most popular theories about the shape of Axl's voice was that its deterioration was due to his weight gain. At least that ridiculous theory has been put to rest now.

 

[Gordon Comstock]

59 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I don't think they had a film crew following them behind the scenes, like around the city or at the hotel, so much before though (although the behind the scenes footage on the NA leg seems to be mostly from inside the venues, like soundchecks).

 

True, but I don't think they'd add much 'behind the scenes' footage to a live release anyway, unless they were planning to release a compilation instead of one full show. They're probably just documenting their travels because they can, and decide to post small clips on instagram occasionally. I don't think recording everything is an indication of a live release coming.

[rumandraisin]

5 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I agree. I wasn't being judgemental, btw. I have never been and haven't even commented on Axl's weight too often. I just made an observation because, for some reason, Axl's appearance is a recurrent topic on the forums.

Not long ago, one of the most popular theories about the shape of Axl's voice was that its deterioration was due to his weight gain. At least that ridiculous theory has been put to rest now.

 

I agree, never worked as a theory. Look at 2009/early 2010.