06/05/23 - Tel Aviv, IL - Hayarkon Park

[B5Redeye]

30 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

If you think it's great then, it is! but you have to understand that not everyone is going to go along with your point of view. For me, the set (even this "new" set) is very tired. Time to throw the lot out and build a new set from top to bottom

So what’s your 34 song completely different setlist look like?

Not trying to bust your chops, but with limited songs, and staples that must be played it’s not that easy.

[Paulus77]

Shorter than the previous show. Something not quite right? 

[CAFC Nick]

Just now, Paulus77 said:

Shorter than the previous show. Something not quite right? 

Surely setlist.fm is wrong, not showing Nightrain

[DTJ80]

2 minutes ago, Paulus77 said:

Shorter than the previous show. Something not quite right? 

Yeah - quite a bit shorter. I wonder why?

[Arnuld]

Just saw sound checked Perhaps on YouTube. Clip doesn’t sound too much different than the village leaks

[Alejandro GNR]

No KOHD????

[JimiRose]

1 minute ago, Alejandro GNR said:

No KOHD????

Setlist is here https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/guns-n-roses/2023/park-hayarkon-tel-aviv-israel-7ba6a6b4.html 

[Tom2112]

1 minute ago, B5Redeye said:

So what’s your 34 song completely different setlist look like?

Not trying to bust your chops, but with limited songs, and staples that must be played it’s not that easy.

It's not a 34 song different set overhaul for a start, I said a different set. Which means, opening and closing with different songs. Not always having the Slash solo right before SCOM. Just basic stuff. I'm quite happy to hear all the usual songs, I just want some element of surprise... like we got the other night when they threw in Bad Obsession as the 2nd song... that's interesting! Not even I can begrudge that!😄

I just like bands to throw curveballs, like when they opened that set in 2014 with YCBM. That to me is a living, breathing band. Of course they have limited material etc, etc. so they can't go too crazy, but there is no reason why there couldn't be 2-3 alternates for opening song and 2-3 alternates for the end song. Instead of ISE every night, open the set with Chinese one night, next night Jungle, next night ISE. People talk of how it's not that easy, but in reality it is really that easy.

And I'm not completely bagging on this setlist so much, I think they have made some progress in the last 2yrs. They've swapped out songs, added new ones, retired others for legs, it's not completely stagnant. But it's not enough to justify this length of touring without a new record IMO.

[Billy Cundy]

23 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Exactly, it would take the band a few weeks or rehearsals to do all of this and figure bits out.  Most rock bands don't have the know-how to change on the fly and that's not a knock! A lot of singers also get thrown when the key is changed and they can't find their key centre, so it's not just gunslingers and ivory tinklers to blame😄

Led Zeppelin dealt with it beautifully. For the o2 reunion, they pretty much dropped everything a whole tone, and tuned to D. As @Powderfinger said, the GNR equivalent would be dropping to C#, a particularly flappy stringed endeavour. And let’s be honest, tuning to D standard (one semitone below where they are now) isn’t going to do Axl a tremendous amount of good. 
 

im sat at my piano playing SCOM - reaching the opening Ab in my mickey falsetto in the key of Db (where axl sings it) … ouch, what a brutal starting note. But then I’m transposing up to F natural (a whole 4th up), and starting on a C natural in my full voice. And I’m not at all singing in my boots like Barry White. Makes a lot more sense to sing. However… as I mentioned… Getting old rock dudes like slash and duff to transpose and essentially relearn the songs they’ve been playing since they were 20 year old isn’t really gonna fly.. 

 

so… yeah.. ultimately I agree with @Powderfinger… nowhere to go 🤷‍♂️ 

Edited June 5, 2023 by Billy Cundy

[Spoon87]

8 minutes ago, Arnuld said:

Just saw sound checked Perhaps on YouTube. Clip doesn’t sound too much different than the village leaks

What? Where?

[MicEffecT]

15 minutes ago, Paulus77 said:

Shorter than the previous show. Something not quite right? 

Curfew

[Tom2112]

1 minute ago, Billy Cundy said:

Led Zeppelin dealt with it beautifully. For the o2 reunion, they pretty much dropped everything a whole tone, and tuned to D. As @Powderfinger said, the GNR equivalent would be dropping to C#, a particularly flappy stringed endeavour. And let’s be honest, tuning to D standard (one semitone below where they are now) isn’t going to do Axl a tremendous amount of good. 
 

im sat at my piano playing SCOM - reaching the opening Ab in my mickey falsetto in the key of Db (where axl sings it) … ouch, what a brutal starting note. But then I’m transposing up to F natural (a whole 4th up), and starting on a C natural in my full voice. Makes a lot more sense to sing. However… as I mentioned… Getting old rock dudes like slash and duff to transpose and essentially relearn the songs they’ve been playing since they were 20 year old isn’t really gonna fly.. 

 

so… yeah.. ultimately I agree with @Powderfinger… nowhere to go 🤷‍♂️ 

There's pitch effects that drop tune your guitar that a lot of bands are now using. The the string says but you get the beautiful C# tuning. I have it on my QC pedal and it sounds absolutely incredible up and down the neck. That's a great get around for lazy old boys that don't want to learn new tricks.

2 minutes ago, Spoon87 said:

What? Where?

Youtube has few videos

[gabmmor]

June 5th, 2023 - Tel Aviv, Israel @ Hayarkon Park
Setlist: It’s So Easy, Bad Obsession, Chinese Democracy, Slither, Pretty Tied Up, Rumble/Welcome To The Jungle, Mr. Brownstone, Estranged, Double Talkin’ Jive, Live And Let Die, Absurd, Hard Skool, Down On The Farm, Rocket Queen, Anything Goes, You Could Be Mine, TV Eye, This I Love, Civil War/(Voodoo Child), Band Introductions, Slash Solo/Sweet Child O’ Mine, November Rain, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Wichita Lineman, Nightrain Encore: People Get Ready/Patience, Paradise City
Notes: Axl mentions that it's the 50th anniversary of Live And Let Die. Patience is restarted because Axl took a cough drop and couldn't whistle the intro.   Source: HTGTH

[Stress Fracture]

28 minutes ago, Paulus77 said:

Shorter than the previous show. Something not quite right? 

It was suggested the last one was longer to make up for what happened there last year. Glasgow and London should be epic!

[James Bond]

Five songs shorter compared to the first night. If my eyes aren't deceiving me on setlist.fm, then these are the songs from the first night that were cut:

1. Don't Cry

2. My Michelle

3. Reckless Life

4. Nice Boys

5. Street Of Dreams

I'm sure it just had to do with timing, local curfew, etc...

[wendirosez]

1 minute ago, James Bond said:

Five songs shorter compared to the first night. If my eyes aren't deceiving me on setlist.fm, then these are the songs from the first night that were cut:

1. Don't Cry

2. My Michelle

3. Reckless Life

4. Nice Boys

5. Street Of Dreams

I'm sure it just had to do with timing, local curfew, etc...

 & Sore throat...(Possibly)

[James Bond]

48 minutes ago, Billy Cundy said:

So it’s not always a case of tuning down. All music can be transposed to a different key without ‘tuning down’. You could even go up a few keys and have axl sing an octave lower, in a higher key that achieves a middle ground where he’s still in his upper range but in full voice. Very common for jazz/pop etc. Western music is equal temperament so any arrangement can be played in any key and still sound like that song. 

However, because guitar rock and riffs get a lot of their ‘sound’ from where it’s played on the neck of a guitar, and those songs are drilled into everyone’s psyches, keys and all.. it’s not easy for rock bands to do. Imagine telling slash to start playing sweet child o’ mine in F? It’s totally possible, but he’d laugh you out of the room. That’s the trouble with riff-rock. D major (though technically C#major but in D position) sounds and feels great on a lespaul. And then the key change to E means they can play those girthy open bottom strings in the outro. 

for example, billy joel could probably rely on his band to transpose New York State of Mind from C to Ab 10 mins before a gig and no one has to tune down or even bat an eyelid. But GNR? Less likely. 

I'd argue that Sweet Child O' Mine doesn't change keys at all and is actually entirely in D Mixolydian (but a half step down).

Not taking away anything from your post - just being a fellow theory nerd.

[DTJ80]

13 minutes ago, Stress Fracture said:

It was suggested the last one was longer to make up for what happened there last year. Glasgow and London should be epic!

Hope so - I’d be pretty gutted if Reckless Life is dropped for Glasgow!

[Stay.Of.Execution]

 

 

 

[Billy Cundy]

9 minutes ago, James Bond said:

I'd argue that Sweet Child O' Mine doesn't change keys at all and is actually entirely in D Mixolydian (but a half step down).

Not taking away anything from your post - just being a fellow theory nerd.

Ooh interesting. I could argue you one further and say it’s actually in G major… the ol’ Sweet Home Alabama debate…. and the solo/outro is just in the relative minor! The only fly in the ointment with your D mixolydian argument is slash’ liberal use of harmonic E minor scale in his solo (that classical sounding D# leading tone). But I could totally be convinced! Maybe a new thread is brewing haha. 
 

Btw - i am loathe to call SCOM and Sweet home Alabama G major .. it’s never felt right to me to call it that. I agree D major mixolydian makes a lot more sense. Though I’m compelled by the harmonic content of slash’ solo to call the outro a true key change. Happy to be proved wrong though, it’s six of one and half a dozen of the other! 

Edited June 5, 2023 by Billy Cundy

[D4NNY]

Wow.. compare tonight’s thread vs the last show thread. Completely opposite reactions and emotions and It’s only show 2 of the tour. I’m glad Bad Obsession and PTU stayed in and not thrown aside after 1 show.

In terms of people complaining of the length of show/number of songs, the general suggestion people keep giving is that he should take it a little easier as to give a better performance but when they do a shorter set we complain? At 61 I wouldn’t expect every show Axl does to be an absolute marathon (though most are) and tonight was still a decent length/setlist.

Watch them throw in Perhaps next show and the reactions and emotions will completely switch back again. Crazy bunch we are 😅

 

[B5Redeye]

36 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

It's not a 34 song different set overhaul for a start, I said a different set. Which means, opening and closing with different songs. Not always having the Slash solo right before SCOM. Just basic stuff. I'm quite happy to hear all the usual songs, I just want some element of surprise... like we got the other night when they threw in Bad Obsession as the 2nd song... that's interesting! Not even I can begrudge that!😄

I just like bands to throw curveballs, like when they opened that set in 2014 with YCBM. That to me is a living, breathing band. Of course they have limited material etc, etc. so they can't go too crazy, but there is no reason why there couldn't be 2-3 alternates for opening song and 2-3 alternates for the end song. Instead of ISE every night, open the set with Chinese one night, next night Jungle, next night ISE. People talk of how it's not that easy, but in reality it is really that easy.

And I'm not completely bagging on this setlist so much, I think they have made some progress in the last 2yrs. They've swapped out songs, added new ones, retired others for legs, it's not completely stagnant. But it's not enough to justify this length of touring without a new record IMO.

I get it and understand now.

Like one time when we saw FF they actually opened with Everlong.

First 2 and easiest changes to make for me…

Condense KOHD and RQ. 😂

[allwaystired]

So was he not sounding good tonight? 

I try not to watch the videos, so just wondering what people who have thought - seems to be a bit of criticism? 

[Jakey Styley]

53 minutes ago, Arnuld said:

Just saw sound checked Perhaps on YouTube. Clip doesn’t sound too much different than the village leaks

Sounded noticeably faster to me, but I'll leave that to the experts

Edited June 5, 2023 by Jakey Styley

[IzzysMissy]

Don’t have time to read it all but seems like Tel Aviv got a great show as well! Glad they are keeping the UYI deep cuts in and looks like the crowd was awesome too! I’m not someone who bitches and moans about new music, so if this set list continues I’m a happy gal.