El Guapo Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 It is what it is - a Chinese leftover track, b-side material at best compared to the real GnR material from back in the day. I just hope that the next songs (if there will ever be any) are NOT Atlas and/ or SOG. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingBat Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Nick85 said: They need to put this on iTunes, the radio rip is just too muddy sounding. Check the official version out on Youtube with a VPN. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Just now, El Guapo said: It is what it is - a Chinese leftover track, b-side material at best compared to the real GnR material from back in the day. I just hope that the next songs (if there will ever be any) are NOT Atlas and/ or SOG. Why wouldn't they be? This band doesn't have a great track record of releasing songs that haven't leaked. Other that Scraped and TIL are there any songs that have been released that haven't leaked prior to the release? Maybe ITW, or don't recall if it leaked pre-Body of Lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zeppelin Posted August 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2023 The song is okay. It definitely has its catchier parts. I like it more than the first two since it at least sounds a bit better. But I don't really have many more positives to share. Slash's "solo" is barely a solo at all. Sure, it fits the song and isn't over-the-top and flashy. However, it's painfully plain. You take Slash's solo out of there and it would make zero difference in the song. You would never say that about most of the work in GNR's discography, CD included. It's just kinda depressing to hear such a forgettable solo when a truly good one could've lifted this song to a new height. You can tell the solo is shit when people are talking about certain bends here and there, how it transitions awkwardly, etc. When you're talking about these little details and not how the solo floored you, then the solo failed to do its job. I don't like effects on Axl's vocals either. It's fine to have them in certain places, but he's had effects on his vocals in all three songs released now. Just wanna hear the dude's natural voice. Add an effect here and there and call it a day. I think that's one of the other issues, the production. On all three songs they suffer from a significant amount of tinkering and I know, I know, we weren't supposed to hear the demos. But those sound so much more organic and like a band actually playing along. These new songs sound artificial. I guess that's what happens when you insert parts here and there and try to fuse something together. Overall, the song is okay. Mostly forgettable, but it does have catchy elements. Glad people are enjoying it. I'm still looking forward to seeing what's next, if anything. But these songs so far aren't blowing my skirt up, honestly. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live Like a Suicide Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 I think Perhaps is a step up from Absurd in HS, particularly in the mixing department. It actually sounds great, and I hope they proceed in this direction with whichever songs are next. Fingers crossed for The General... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbj_jam Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 stick it on illusion with 'axl trademark voice' and nobody would bat an eye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR4Ever2024 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Listening now sounds good, A& R: Nick Groff From hunting ghosts to managing A&R is certainly a career choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live Like a Suicide Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Should be available on streaming services in Aus in five minutes. Already available on YT for Aussies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Zeppelin said: The song is okay. It definitely has its catchier parts. I like it more than the first two since it at least sounds a bit better. But I don't really have many more positives to share. Slash's "solo" is barely a solo at all. Sure, it fits the song and isn't over-the-top and flashy. However, it's painfully plain. You take Slash's solo out of there and it would make zero difference in the song. You would never say that about most of the work in GNR's discography, CD included. It's just kinda depressing to hear such a forgettable solo when a truly good one could've lifted this song to a new height. You can tell the solo is shit when people are talking about certain bends here and there, how it transitions awkwardly, etc. When you're talking about these little details and not how the solo floored you, then the solo failed to do its job. I don't like effects on Axl's vocals either. It's fine to have them in certain places, but he's had effects on his vocals in all three songs released now. Just wanna hear the dude's natural voice. Add an effect here and there and call it a day. I think that's one of the other issues, the production. On all three songs they suffer from a significant amount of tinkering and I know, I know, we weren't supposed to hear the demos. But those sound so much more organic and like a band actually playing along. These new songs sound artificial. I guess that's what happens when you insert parts here and there and try to fuse something together. Overall, the song is okay. Mostly forgettable, but it does have catchy elements. Glad people are enjoying it. I'm still looking forward to seeing what's next, if anything. But these songs so far aren't blowing my skirt up, honestly. The production issues are noticeable not because we've heard the demo, but because it's nearly at 25-year old song that's been tinkered with. They could have just recorded the entire thing fresh but Edited August 17, 2023 by Coma16 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 It felt "off" with Hard Skool but to me, Perhaps sounds absolutely fine in re: to mastering and mixing. That being said, I don't have an ear for this, but I did notice with Hard Skool that it felt somewhat slapped together. Perhaps sounds perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post downzy Posted August 17, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2023 This is a song for Guns N' Roses fans, particularly fans from the Chinese Democracy (and maybe from the Illusions era). But I really don't see how this sticks with the casual or non-fans like a traditional single might. I think you really need to like Axl's singing voice to get into this song. It's akin to Don't Damn Me... Both are good songs but if you can't get into or past Axl's vocal stylings you're not going to make it too far. I chuckle a bit when I hear people claim this song is a bit more radio-friendly. How many radio-friendly songs of late have thrashy-metal sounding vocals in the chorus? I think another obstacle of it hitting with a more casual fan base is the lack of a distinctive Slash guitar part/solo. At least Hard Skool had that soaring guitar solo that could hook rock fans who aren't in love with Axl's voice. This has a little guitar interlude that gives the song a pause. I'd hardly call it a "solo." It's a really enjoyable song for this Guns N' Roses fan. That said, I would recommend people take it for what it is and worry less about whether it will resonate with the general public. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonicjam Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Alrighty, listened to it in Aus on YT premium. Miles better than the radio version! Its better paced at 3.48 long and the mixing is super good in comparison. Feel bad for anyone that listened to it on iheart radio and thought that was the actual sound. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live Like a Suicide Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 minute ago, downzy said: This is a song for Guns N' Roses fans, particularly fans from the Chinese Democracy (and maybe from the Illusions era). But I really don't see how this sticks with the casual or non-fans like a traditional single might. I think you really need to like Axl's singing voice to get into this song. It's akin to Don't Damn Me... Both are good songs but if you can't get into or past Axl's vocal stylings you're not going to make it too far. But I chuckle a bit when I hear people claim this song is a bit more radio-friendly. How many radio-friendly songs of late have thrashy-metal sounding vocals in the chorus? I think another obstacle of it hitting with a more casual fan base is the lack of a distinctive Slash guitar part/solo. At least Hard Skool had that soaring guitar solo that could hook rock fans who aren't in love with Axl's voice. This has a little guitar interlude that gives the song a pause. I'd hardly call it a "solo." It's a really enjoyable song for this Guns N' Roses fan. That said, I would recommend people take it for what it is and worry less about whether it will resonate with the general public. At this stage, hoping for a bonafide GNR radio hit is a pipedream. If they managed to pull a November Rain 2 out of their ass, it might be possible, but times are different. We should enjoy the songs for what they are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick85 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Has, ya know, GNR commented on their new single yet? 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingBat Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nick85 said: Has, ya know, GNR commented on their new single yet? 😆 I'm sure they will when it's available everywhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillConnor_1982 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nick85 said: Has, ya know, GNR commented on their new single yet? 😆 Maybe it’s like the 2001 tour and Axl doesn’t know about it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nick85 said: Has, ya know, GNR commented on their new single yet? 😆 Axl seems to like to talk a little bit about these singles right before he performs the tunes live these days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Blackstar said: Studio Personnel, Additional Engineer: Sean Beavan Wonder if he's credited just for the piano or because the vocals are old too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020_Intensions Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Getting torn to pieces on FB article comment sections ... The casuals have spoken ... They hate it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Voodoochild said: Wonder if he's credited just for the piano or because the vocals are old too. Maybe both. I think on CD he was credited for the vocals. At least some or most vocals must be from the 1999/2000 take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 It’s a good song. I wish they’d release whatever else they have As far as it being radio friendly or any thoughts of GnR capturing some part of the cultural zeitgeist? None of that matters and it’s a pretty high bar for those types of expectations or hope. Who listens to radio? It’s “success” or however you want to measure it shouldn’t matter to us. It’s impossible to compare to the past. Do you enjoy the song or not? 3 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said: Getting torn to pieces on FB article comment sections ... The casuals have spoken ... They hate it! Comment sections tend to be negative in general 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodOlJohnnyK Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, guitarpatch said: It’s “success” or however you want to measure it shouldn’t matter to us. It’s impossible to compare to the past. Agreed! 2 minutes ago, guitarpatch said: Do you enjoy the song or not? No, certainly not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jekylhyde Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, GNR4Ever2024 said: Listening now sounds good, A& R: Nick Groff From hunting ghosts to managing A&R is certainly a career choice. Ghosts and new Guns N' Roses songs are basically the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Blackstar said: Maybe both. I think on CD he was credited for the vocals. At least some or most vocals must be from the 1999/2000 take. I'd say 90% of it's from the original demo, and the rest is different takes from that era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingcanyon Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said: Getting torn to pieces on FB article comment sections ... The casuals have spoken ... They hate it! i've seen comments in the past of people saying songs like Sweet Child, Estranged & november rain are shit comments are nothing they just say those things because they want to fit in with others saying its bad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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