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i don't think axl would do this remember in 2006 axl did not give 2 shits about the leak songs

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Well, I guess I’m alone on this one. I don’t think that Axl is their hostage and he’s also not a saint. Yes, it seems that TB does everything to please him, but I absolutely do not believe that they make this very important decisions without him knowing about it, especially because he loves having control. Axl is a pretty smart guy and it’s a very comfortable position for him having someone to publicly take the blame for every bad decision that GNR makes. 

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Just now, nycgunner said:

I feel bad for Rick. He could easily just be an unfortunate scapegoat here.
 

Axl & co. have a legitimate right to be upset. I hate how GNR fans are treated and the lack of no new music, but it’s the artist and/or the owner of contents call on how he or she wants to sell and market their work. 
 

That said, banning him from a show is just a dick and petty move. These guys are giants relative to him  - both in the awe / respect he has for GNR - and financially / power wise.  Their lawyers could bankrupt this guy. It’s a bad look on GNR’s part - seems to be a recurring theme. 

Im interested why the band didnt take legal action

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4 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said:

Im interested why the band didnt take legal action

Maybe they didn't have proof? A guy on Reddit is citing old articles of a failed festival Rick put together, calling him a conman and saying he was distributing the mp3s even after selling back to GNR. 

We're never gonna know the truth.

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16 minutes ago, ChildOfTheMoon said:

Well, I guess I’m alone on this one. I don’t think that Axl is their hostage and he’s also not a saint. Yes, it seems that TB does everything to please him, but I absolutely do not believe that they make this very important decisions without him knowing about it, especially because he loves having control. Axl is a pretty smart guy and it’s a very comfortable position for him having someone to publicly take the blame for every bad decision that GNR makes. 

I can relate to your explanation because it is a little confusing to me why a man who was known for his urge to control everything would be "enslaved " by his management team.I remember how he made fun of people believing that he's "enslaved by a Brazilian family" during an interview in 2016.

It could be true that TB might not tell him about everything they do though.

But that's just an assumption...

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56 minutes ago, Creed said:

Most probably not true, since Beta met Doug Goldstein privately once. Axl was really pissed after that 'affair'. There was most probably reunion talk going on in that hotel room.

If memory serves the conversation was about a reunion or for beta to try and convince axl to work towards a reunion axl found out and almost terminated their relationship.

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1 minute ago, Sydney Fan said:

If memory serves the conversation was about a reunion or for beta to try and convince axl to work towards a reunion axl found out and almost terminated their relationship.

This wouldn't add up, because in that infamous 2009 letter Doug was telling Axl that he should sack Azoff because he had a reunion agenda and take him (Doug) back who would work for NuGnR's best interest, etc.

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11 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

This wouldn't add up, because in that infamous 2009 letter Doug was telling Axl that he should sack Azoff because he had a reunion agenda and take him (Doug) back who would work for NuGnR's best interest, etc.

yeah and doug actually meant what he was saying..

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14 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

This wouldn't add up, because in that infamous 2009 letter Doug was telling Axl that he should sack Azoff because he had a reunion agenda and take him (Doug) back who would work for NuGnR's best interest, etc.

Yeah. You're right. Had a false memory about it. But Doug also said in a 2015 interview that he wanted to talk with Axl, Slash and Duff. In 2009 Doug planed a 'Rose Festival' + Axl making 20,000,000 $ per year. 

NITL made almst 600,000,000 so far.

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Why aren't we discussing about de 105 pages pdf leaked and all the info/things that can see the light sooner?

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4 hours ago, MaskingApathy said:

Based on that article it seems like they were looking for Rick from the first show onwards. I still think that if he had kept quiet about buying the CDs none of this would've happened. He put a target on his back by bragging about it online.

Yeah, Rick really went about this terribly. He isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed...

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3 hours ago, Voodoochild said:

Yep. I'm getting some Metallica vs. Napster feelings here. It hurts the band's brand a lot more.

I'm not sure who is responsible for stuff like that, and I see people here always blaming TB for everything, even the lack of new material. I don't care about them, but Axl is a grown man, same for the rest of the band. They are accountable. 

The rest of the band isn't exist anymore, Slash and Duff isn't had participant about CD, the only responsible about it situation are Axl and TB.

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1 hour ago, The Garden of Guns N Roses said:

But wouldn't that mean that the order was given by Axl initially since TB are working according to his wishes ? 

 

No. TB pulls all sorts of shit that Axl had no idea about. 

25 minutes ago, feli1269 said:

Why aren't we discussing about de 105 pages pdf leaked and all the info/things that can see the light sooner?

A couple of reasons, the biggest being that @downzyhad made it clear we're not going to allow any of that here.

 

Edit- it's also worth noting that the same document leaked years ago. It's all incredibly out of date info that may or may not have been accurate in the first place. 

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4 hours ago, Azifwekare said:

When Rick went on every platform he could to tell everyone "Hi, my name's Rick Dunsford and I'm on my way to buy 19 CDs of unreleased music!", he really can't be suprised that he has fans on one side angry at him for hoarding and then TB on the other angry at him when the CDs he bought eventually leaked.

I don't understand why he would put such a huge target on himself like that. It wasn't exactly a smart decision.

Yeah pretty stupid thing to do.

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12 minutes ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

I wonder if Rick is going through his emo phase of burning Guns N' Roses material and getting laser tattoo removals.

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If Rick has any GnR stuff he doesn't want anymore I'll gladly take it off his hands. Posters, t shirts, whatever.

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2 hours ago, RussTCB said:

YEP. I was saying that earlier today. TB has managed (no pun intended) to take a complete non-story and somehow drum up interest in it. Well done TB!

That seems to be the only thing TB has "managed", amirite?

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On 11/10/2019 at 3:13 PM, MaskingApathy said:

Yeah pretty stupid thing to do.

Because it's about attention seeking. If you take a step back, and look at this subjectively, placing your personal feelings about the bands management to one side, its very simple. 

It's extortion and a shake down for more money.

They paid him money as compensation, and this person now wants more. 

The band and its management have a right to remove or refuse entry to a show, if they deem it necessary.

Don't over complicate something, that is that simple to understand, why that person was advised, to no longer attend Gun N Roses concerts in the future. 

The band and its management are not the ones in the wrong, as they are simply pretecting their interests.

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I don't understand why they not banned for life to MSL too, when he leak CD songs years ago, i feel sorry for Rick, he isn't sounds as rancourous guy.

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39 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

No. TB pulls all sorts of shit that Axl had no idea about. 

A couple of reasons, the biggest being that @downzyhad made it clear we're not going to allow any of that here.

 

Edit- it's also worth noting that the same document leaked years ago. It's all incredibly out of date info that may or may not have been accurate in the first place. 

Do you think that TB has a higher / the highest power of the band in general compared to the actual band members ? I always thought that Axl would be the actual "boss" (along with Slash and Duff possibly ) since he hires and pays them and TB considers him as their authority as well...

Been a fan of this band for many years but the relationship between this band and the management is a little complicated as it seems and everyone here seems to view things differently...so I am grateful for some clarification :)

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16 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

If Rick has any GnR stuff he doesn't want anymore I'll gladly take it off his hands. Posters, t shirts, whatever.

He named his son Axl too.

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