gabfm Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Well, I still thank Rick, thanks to him I was able to listen some new songs from a lost era of GNR. Too bad he isn't allowed to go to concerts anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 39 minutes ago, Cory Trevor said: shoulda went with the much safer "william" Yes, at least William is an regular name 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnuld Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Banning a super fan is incredibly petty. He should just attend one of the festival shows. They can’t ban him from attending a festival. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskingApathy Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, kiwiguns said: Because it's about attention seeking. If you take a step back, and look at this subjectively, placing your personal feelings about the bands management to one side, its very simple. It's extortion and a shake down for more money. They paid him money as compensation, and this person now whats more. The band and its management have a right to remove or refuse entry to a show, if they deem it necessary. Don't over complicate something, that is that simple to understand, why that person was advised, to no longer attend Gun N Roses concerts in the future. The band and its management are not the ones in the wrong, as they are simply pretecting their interests. I didn't say the band and management was wrong, I'm saying that Rick could've avoided this whole mess by keeping his mouth shut about the whole purchasing the CDs thing. If he wanted to buy it fine, but don't go telling the whole world. 1 hour ago, Ratam said: He named his son Axl too. That's past the point of obsession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojo Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Live Like a Suicide said: Jesus fucking Christ... So will Rick go as The Fan formerly known as rick? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bdinan Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) How can anyone actually respect Axl Rose? Seriously, we've all put up with so much of his fuckery. His sideshow band, his mediocre album, his shot voice, his temper tantrums, his sham cash grab reunion. Guy is lucky to have any fans at this point. Seriously, fuck Axl. Edited October 11, 2019 by bdinan 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holographic Universe Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 The fact that management actively looked for him at shows is petty. But, he reached out to the band making them aware he was attending the Wichita show. I feel for Rick because he’s obviously a die hard fan and loves the band, but the way he went about it all backfired on him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlslash Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 8 hours ago, RussTCB said: The Chairman isn't Rick though. Maybe that’s the name of the new album due out next year? #ChairmanRickStartsNow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vloors Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 He could have been dragged to the courts, sued or locked up. Banning him from shows is a pretty small consequence for purchasing and distributing unauthorized material. He got a slap on the wrist realistically. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post willl Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 I agree with @vloors. I'm amazed that @axlrosefan4life is now actively pursuing the media and looking for attention. I think he got off lightly all things considered, and he should just lay low for a while until this all blows over. Just because he hasn't been sued yet doesn't mean they're not actively building a case against him, and everything he says right now could be documented as evidence against him. Team Brazil, or Axl, is obviously pretty pissed with Ricks actions if they've gone to the trouble of banning him. Going to the media and drawing more attention to this whole shitshow isn't going to win them over 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsOfSpiders Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Why get involved with Alfred again after all of that drama with the HOB video and posting about how he and his friends were threatening him and his kids? Knowing what he’s like and what’s he’d been doing to the rest of the fan base... Of course he’s going to rat you out and chuck you under the bus. His post history here totally looks like the intent was to leak everything, I can see why people reading it would think that of him. Still feel bad for him for being banned from shows though. That’s harsh. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamsapple Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Just another case of TB barking up the wrong tree. They probably just mean well in regards to protecting Axl, but they seem to lack communicative finetuning wich hurts the band. From what I understand the guy didn't leak anything but just happened to be the next best person to take revenge on as they couldn't get a hold of the actual leakers. If I would have such issues with a fan, unless they are stalking or threatening me I would just invite them backstage and have a civil conversation over coffee, clearing things out in a proper adult manner, perhaps gathering information about the actual leakers and making it clear me not condoning this shit doesn't make me their enemy. If the sane route goes nowhere there is still the legal route. Banning someone from your shows because he might somehow be involved in leaks or not from hearsay is just an amok revenge move that after no bad press for a long time makes GNR look very uncool in the public eye again. It all comes down to TB having personal/family ties to the artist, so their decisions, actions and communicaton will always be based on or at least very influenced by emotions rather than logic - burning way too many bridges in the long run. A proper publicist is to make allies not enemies for the band. In case the job is ever vacant I hereby apply and I promise the next day all GNR/fans relations will be so much smoother for everyone. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stress Fracture Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 The GNR camp is what it is. Super fan or not, leaking CDs worth of material was never going to go down well and, frankly, he’s gotten off lightly. Whoever actually leaked the stuff, he put himself in the spotlight for the clout and bragging rights. Difficult to resist, I’m sure, but it was the wrong move. But it speaks of a bigger problem of an act that is now furious that its fan base got to hear music after waiting 20 years for it to be put out officially. Easiest way to control leaks is to release the music you make yourself. It’s not rocket science. Axl ain’t Prince. Prince might have the bigger vault but he never stopped putting out new music. Axl and his management screwed GNR over more than piracy ever could. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethalis Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 4 hours ago, bdinan said: How can anyone actually respect Axl Rose? Seriously, we've all put up with so much of his fuckery. His sideshow band, his mediocre album, his shot voice, his temper tantrums, his sham cash grab reunion. Guy is lucky to have any fans at this point. Seriously, fuck Axl. I really don't know actually. Sometimes I think that if Axl would have released Chinese Democracy in 2001, I would not be here on this forum. Because that's the thing... it was the mystery, and the fans / community around it that would feed this mystery. We all love to solve a puzzle. And with Team Brazil it also became a real life soap. It's not really about Axl and his music anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) How you gonna ban someone from shows, a non-famous person at that, what, have his picture handed out to everyone working the doors? I personally like The Clash's approach to bootlegging and piracy, if you can get away with it more power to ya, we ain't gonna bother chasing you but if we catch you we're gonna kick your head in, GnR should do that, wait til he turns up to a gig, if he catches your eye give him a hiding and then call it evens 1:03, see, there's a reasonable approach to this sort of thing Edited October 11, 2019 by Len Cnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vloors Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, bdinan said: How can anyone actually respect Axl Rose? Seriously, we've all put up with so much of his fuckery. His sideshow band, his mediocre album, his shot voice, his temper tantrums, his sham cash grab reunion. Guy is lucky to have any fans at this point. Seriously, fuck Axl. Maybe you should go find another band to be a fan of? Edited October 11, 2019 by vloors 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I understand why Team Brazil are pissed off and he did break the contract. So I think a fair thing would be to ban him from the shows until he pays them money back and leave it at that. This is not going to hurt album sales one bit help if anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 3 hours ago, adamsapple said: Just another case of TB barking up the wrong tree. They probably just mean well in regards to protecting Axl, but they seem to lack communicative finetuning wich hurts the band. From what I understand the guy didn't leak anything but just happened to be the next best person to take revenge on as they couldn't get a hold of the actual leakers. If I would have such issues with a fan, unless they are stalking or threatening me I would just invite them backstage and have a civil conversation over coffee, clearing things out in a proper adult manner, perhaps gathering information about the actual leakers and making it clear me not condoning this shit doesn't make me their enemy. If the sane route goes nowhere there is still the legal route. Banning someone from your shows because he might somehow be involved in leaks or not from hearsay is just an amok revenge move that after no bad press for a long time makes GNR look very uncool in the public eye again. It all comes down to TB having personal/family ties to the artist, so their decisions, actions and communicaton will always be based on or at least very influenced by emotions rather than logic - burning way too many bridges in the long run. A proper publicist is to make allies not enemies for the band. In case the job is ever vacant I hereby apply and I promise the next day all GNR/fans relations will be so much smoother for everyone. Could be Axl's decision! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Garden of Guns N Roses Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 7 hours ago, Sydney Fan said: In my view slash has the highest power and without him this tour would not have had the attendance and being the money making machine it has. If he is making 500k per show he is money well spent. If slash walks the tour goes kaboom. Axl will be having DJ back in the band.Slash having seprate mgt and counsel is very smart. That's an interesting and possibly accurate way to see things. My question was more about the actual business perspective though....e.g who is running this band and makes the final decisions. The Big Three might be equal in terms of making all the decisions after Slash and Duff joined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vloors Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) The other thing people arent getting is this is unauthorised use of intellectual property. Its illegal to sell or purchase it. It doesnt matter if gnr never planned to release it. Its still their property and essentially stolen property. You are not legally allowed to buy or sell a stolen car can you? Same deal with intellectual property. Rick if he had half a brain should respect the small ban they put on him and stay quiet and away from the headlines. Im sure if they wanted to they could really f him up legally. Edited October 11, 2019 by vloors 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vloors Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, The Garden of Guns N Roses said: That's an interesting and possibly accurate way to see things. My question was more about the actual business perspective though....e.g who is running this band and makes the final decisions. The Big Three might be equal in terms of making all the decisions after Slash and Duff joined. I imagine they play a game of scissors, paper, rock and the winner takes control of that particular business decision. Edited October 11, 2019 by vloors 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Garden of Guns N Roses Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) On 10/11/2019 at 12:15 PM, vloors said: I imagine they play a game of scissors paper, rock and the winner takes control of that particular business decision. Oh well Edited July 14, 2022 by The Garden of Guns N Roses 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnrcane Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, downliner said: I agree with @vloors. I'm amazed that @axlrosefan4life is now actively pursuing the media and looking for attention. I think he got off lightly all things considered, and he should just lay low for a while until this all blows over. Just because he hasn't been sued yet doesn't mean they're not actively building a case against him, and everything he says right now could be documented as evidence against him. Team Brazil, or Axl, is obviously pretty pissed with Ricks actions if they've gone to the trouble of banning him. Going to the media and drawing more attention to this whole shitshow isn't going to win them over If they sued him, the likely outcome would be a court order to return the CDs and delete/destroy all copies. For GNR to get a financial reward, they'd have to prove that he actually was the leaker AND they'd have to show financial damage due to the leaks AND that, at the time of the leak, he knew or should have known that the material did not belong to the person that owned the locker. Financial damage would be very difficult to calculate especially given the history of (not) releasing new music. It would be very difficult to convince a jury that leaks of 10 year old, unreleased songs caused financial damage to GNR. Edited October 11, 2019 by Gnrcane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Garden of Guns N Roses said: That's an interesting and possibly accurate way to see things. My question was more about the actual business perspective though....e.g who is running this band and makes the final decisions. The Big Three might be equal in terms of making all the decisions after Slash and Duff joined. I agree with your statement. The big 3 make the decisions, they expect TB to make it happen along i wpuld say other live nation representatives if the decisions are about touring. Im sure wiyh tge way band management decisions were made by others managers during the illusion years, the band have learnt from past mistakes and insist on making major decisions themselves. Edited October 11, 2019 by Sydney Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 52 minutes ago, The Garden of Guns N Roses said: That sounds like a really professional way of handling things. Just as professional as all the other things going on in this band They cast their vote via paper and put in a gnr laundry bag and whatever decision comes out of the bag thats what they will do. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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