Popular Post Padme Posted July 22, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2017 16 minutes ago, Dar97 said: There's so many negative comments i know why this forum gets a bad reputation It's not negative, people have different opinions. Why is that so hard to understand? In this forums there is a place for everyone. There are people who love the set list. There are people who don't. People who love Melissa, people who don't. Of course the mods have the power to ban every single forum member who doesn't like the set list, Melissa or Frank. But this place is going to end up being a ghost town. There is already a forum like that. It is called Here Today Gone To Hell. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: I think it is a shame, too. I wish he would have been that type of artist who would have made more music. But there is a difference between thinking it is a shame he coouldn't produce more, and actually critizicing him for it. It is what it is. Maybe he doesn't want do, maybe he doesn't have it in him, maybe it is too harfd for him, maybe he just is a lzy fuck, maybe he could have if people around had been more supportive/coaxing? I don't know. But regardless, it is his choice and none of my business. I am justg happy for what he has done. Which is a lot to be happy about and better than most other artists. Stop talking utter fucking..... sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 I have met plenty of people who had amazing talents one way or another but chose to follow another path. Because that was what they wanted. I had student buddies who could have had glorious careers in mathematics (hah) but decided to be high school teachers instead, buddies who could have gone to whatever university they wanted to study any subject because they were that brilliant, but decided to instead loaf around India and become hippies. And Axl perhaps could have released more music in his career. Perhaps. And it could have been great. Perhaps. But you have to do what your heart tells you, whether that is to go down another path than what people expect or because it is too much of a toil. And as long as you don't hurt anyone, including yourself, then no one has the right to criticize you for your decisions, really, for following your heart. People might tear out their hair in frustration over this, maybe because they are jealous of the wasted talent or selfishly want more, but you only live your own life and first and foremost you have to take care of yourself. So yeah, I feel it is a pity Axl isn't a super productive artist. But he still gave me more than most other artists. I am happy for that, and focus on this, rather than being negative of what could have been. And that doesn't just pertain to Guns N' Roses but to life in general. There will always be missed opportunities, dead-ends, tragedies, mishaps. Enjoying life is to accept that and not linger on what is bad, but focus on what is good. Paraphrasing Bukowski, what matters most is how we walk through the fire. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron MikeyJ Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 As someone that became a REAL fan in 1996 (the beginning of the dark times), my perspective is different. If you told me then, that in 2016 Axl, Slash, and Duff would reunite and tour the world I would have taken that. Even though that meant not a whole lot in those 20 years (even though things DID happen during that time, it wasn't the band I wanted). So, when I look at it from MY perspective; buying end of days the day it came out, live era the day it came out, spin magazine article, the early days of the forums, etc. YOU BET YOUR ASS I WOULD HAVE TAKEN WHAT WE HAVE NOW IN A HEARTBEAT. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: I have met plenty of people who had amazing talents one way or another but chose to follow another path. Because that was what they wanted. I had student buddies who could have had glorious careers in mathematics (hah) but decided to be high school teachers instead, buddies who could have gone to whatever university they wanted to study any subject because they were that brilliant, but decided to instead loaf around India and become hippies. And Axl perhaps could have released more music in his career. Perhaps. And it could have been great. Perhaps. But you have to do what your heart tells you, whether that is to go down another path than what people expect or because it is too much of a toil. And as long as you don't hurt anyone, including yourself, then no one has the right to criticize you for your decisions, really, for following your heart. People might tear out their hair in frustration over this, maybe because they are jealous of the wasted talent or selfishly want more, but you only live your own life and first and foremost you have to take care of yourself. So yeah, I feel it is a pity Axl isn't a super productive artist. But he still gave me more than most other artists. I am happy for that, and focus on this, rather than being negative of what could have been. And that doesn't just pertain to Guns N' Roses but to life in general. There will always be missed opportunities, dead-ends, tragedies, mishaps. Enjoying life is to accept that and not linger on what is bad, but focus on what is good. Paraphrasing Bukowski, what matters most is how we walk through the fire. You, my friend, know what it's all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dar97 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) Why can't people just say this is what we have now and just enjoy it, Axl has been using vocal compression for years so what do expect him to sound like now?, He's fuckin 55 haha Edited July 22, 2017 by Dar97 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marie82 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 It doesn't matter what Guns N' Roses do there will always be something to complain about. Some people just don't know what else to do. The band doesn't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) When someone keeps a band name alive for over thirty years, then I don't think there's anything wrong in being critical on the lack of material. Of course it's his choice and his life, although I can't imagine him being too happy about it either. If he had quit the music business in 1994, I wouldn't be criticizing him for not releasing any music, I would still think it's a shame, but I would respect his choice. But he hasn't quit the music business. He decided to spend millions on recordings and tour the world over and over playing very old songs. It's still his choice and his right, but don't tell me that I can't form an opinion on that. Edited July 22, 2017 by EvanG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live Like a Suicide Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Nikki_Sixx said: No. No one can ever be too hard on Axl Rose. He has single-handedly ruined the GNR legacy, now he has to live with the consequences. I'm tired of this. Did Axl really 'single-handedly' ruin GNR when only the opinions of Slash and Duff have been blasted through the media? Is one side of a story really enough to craft a complete conclusion of what happened? A band consists of multiple people, and to that extent, the collapse of Guns N' Roses falls on more than just Axl. Slash and Duff were literally fucked up from all the drugs they were taking, and they too were just as responsible for the band as Axl was. Nothing is as clear cut as a lot of people try to make it. If you're talking about Chinese Democracy, then it is a subjective thing. Many people like it, many people don't. Regardless, it is still a part of GNR history, and has been validated in part by Slash's and Duff's performances of some of the songs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baje Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 People are free to express their opinions, negative or positive, whether you agree or not. I think it's fair for those diehards who stuck by Axl over the years to expect something more now that the impossible has happened (Slash being back). I've already learned to lower my expectations when it comes to this band but that doesn't mean everyone will do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2414225 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Nikki_Sixx said: No. No one can ever be too hard on Axl Rose. He has single-handedly ruined the GNR legacy, now he has to live with the consequences. Couldn't agree more. The list of wrong decisions by Axl Rose is endless. If some of you are supporting NuGnR, I'm fine, but still have in mind that Adler, Sorum and Izzy are pissed, Slash and Duff have a gag order. Axl is doing no fan service. The merchandise is bad. Axl's voice has problems. And he is doing a band birthday party, while some members who should and could be there are sitting pissed at home. Duff s and Slash's intentions were surely good, but they sold their soul joining NuGnR. Edited July 22, 2017 by 2414225 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 31 minutes ago, EvanG said: tour the world over and over playing very old songs. Which people still pay to go and see. Every time, every tour. They don't have to. 33 minutes ago, EvanG said: don't tell me that I can't form an opinion on that. Nobody's saying you can't. You told him to go and get another career. I asked why should he? People still go to see him perform. He isn't under any obligation to release another song if he doesn't want to. He doesn't 'owe' a single fan anything. Not you, not me, not anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RussTCB Posted July 22, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2017 4 hours ago, jacdaniel said: I have a read of the forum almost every day and its sad to see it so full of negativity. .... If Guns read the forum, it wouldn't surprise me that they steer clear of the online community. You're reading the forum wrong and looking for negativity IMO. We allow opinions from everyone because we don't believe in censorship. If you're looking for the negative posts, you'll find them. Same goes for the positive posts. In my role as Admin, part of my job is to (try to) see damn near everything that's posted here. I can tell you that if you're seeing too much negative it's because that's what you're looking for. There's tons of posts on both side of the fence on this forum and we're proud to not only allow that but encourage it. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alfierose Posted July 22, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Dar97 said: There's so many negative comments i know why this forum gets a bad reputation It's worth bearing in mind that much of the criticism comes from people who still hold a particular era or incarnation of Guns close to their hearts. We get the odd drop and run troll but nobody comes here every day/week/month that isn't deeply invested in the band in some way. I'm sure negativity isn't nice for the band to read but they should only really be worried when people become indifferent. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 If Axl just sang the way I want him to sing then we wouldn't have half these problems, we could get back to complaining about the order of the setlist. Haha 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl Rose aka God Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 I feel like the biggest issue is people complaining about setlists. Everyone who attends a show loves what they see, and they're fine with the setlist. We all complain about setlists because we see it on a forum every night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostalgia^ Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) I think in general yes... I'm not sure I know of a fanbase as obsessed about a particular original lineup as Guns fans. are....the majority of bands today have evolved past their original lineup and you don't hear their fans get on their necks about it. I suppose this is just a testament to the connection that fans feel to the people in Guns..past and present....but it's still ridiculous when some fans DEMAND or expect to see the original lineup..... Most of the Axl voice issues are truly nitpicking. Listen to the Apollo show again, he struggles in some particular songs and at some moments during the show....But how could/should that overshadow that he actually does good/great the rest of the show? Setlist, well IMO if throwing in a few covers keeps the band on their feet and enjoying themselves, making them able to play 3+ hours every night, I say go for it. Besides Guns have ALWAYS done a lot of covers.....going back to the Illusion tours. Edited July 22, 2017 by Nostalgia^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FuriousStyles Posted July 22, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2017 Other forums seem "more positive" in the same way Communism guarantees freedom from the nation state. It's an illusion! Other forums highly censor opinion that doesn't fit into the box the site owners and admin hope to project MyGNR is the place to be. You have great admin, mods with differing opinions amongst themselves and a long leash for tolerance. You have great posters who post passionate and reasoned responses to one another and assholes like me who like to post gifs for likes. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 1 hour ago, bucketfoot said: Which people still pay to go and see. Every time, every tour. They don't have to. Nobody's saying you can't. You told him to go and get another career. I asked why should he? People still go to see him perform. He isn't under any obligation to release another song if he doesn't want to. He doesn't 'owe' a single fan anything. Not you, not me, not anyone. I wasn't telling him to get another career, it was more a suggestion to make a point in that context. Again, he should do whatever he wants, it's his life. If he wants to be the kind of artist that doesn't really releases music and lives off of touring the world on 30 year old songs, then all the best to him. We are all here to discuss the band and the band members, and in my opinion he wasted a lot of time and I think it's sad to see what he did to his career while he could have made some much better choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 25 minutes ago, FuriousStyles said: Other forums highly censor opinion that doesn't fit into the box the site owners and admin hope to project MyGNR is the place to be. You have great admin, mods with differing opinions amongst themselves and a long leash for tolerance. I do agree with this, I've been getting into trouble more than once on other forums for being critical, but here I can speak my mind. So kudos to the people who run this place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nosaj Thing Posted July 22, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2017 I never expected Rose to play alongside Slash ever again. Sure, Axl sounds weak, Izzy should be there, Frank is garbage, etc., but man, Slash is there, Duff is there — not even in my wildest dreams I would have imagined that ever happening. For me to see and hear Slash playing songs like Coma, Estranged, November Rain is reason enough to be happy, as a fan of this fucked up, dysfunctional band. That said, I don't think people are being "too hard" on the band. As always, there seem to be some kind of people that feel entitled to dictate what you can or should post in the forum. I am happy with the results of the reunion, and in no way the "this sucks" type of comments detract me from enjoying what I want to enjoy. In the days of Axl cover band, the criticism was 400% more present in the forum. Others, including me, fought day and night for the right of posting and voicing our genuine opinions without censorship and most of the mods supported us. So, if people's genuine, sincere, honest, authentic opinion is that the band sucks or Melissa Reed shouldn't be there, let them say it. If their opinions are making you unhappy and go apeshit on your keyboard, full of rage, then the joke is on you. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostalgia^ Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, Nosaj Thing said: If their opinions are making you unhappy and go apeshit on your keyboard, full of rage, then the joke is on you. That is true. And I believe the band lives by this too...They've learned that a long time ago And playing to 10s of thousands every night who enjoy the shows certainly helps with this..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 I don't think people are too hard on them, I would guess most people here have gone to see them, own all their albums, etc., and they're allowed to be critical. I don't think anyone here wants to be negative about the band, but for whatever reason they are. My only complaint is Axl's voice, and his apparent non-interest in adapting the setlist to fit his current voice. Instead of singing Coma like he does, why not swap it for Locomotive where he can use his deep/speaking voice and Melissa can do the high parts (kinda like on Chinese Democracy)? Swap My Michelle and Yesterdays for You Ain't The First and Bad Obsession. He could sound good for most of the show, but the clean/falsetto voice doesn't work. I know it's not a new thing, but at least in the past few years he's balanced out that voice by bringing it when he needed to, but he doesn't do that as much now and I'm inclined to think it's a conscious choice, so he can save his voice for ACDC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Padme Posted July 22, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2017 2 hours ago, RussTCB said: You're reading the forum wrong and looking for negativity IMO. We allow opinions from everyone because we don't believe in censorship. If you're looking for the negative posts, you'll find them. Same goes for the positive posts. In my role as Admin, part of my job is to (try to) see damn near everything that's posted here. I can tell you that if you're seeing too much negative it's because that's what you're looking for. There's tons of posts on both side of the fence on this forum and we're proud to not only allow that but encourage it. 1 hour ago, alfierose said: It's worth bearing in mind that much of the criticism comes from people who still hold a particular era or incarnation of Guns close to their hearts. We get the odd drop and run troll but nobody comes here every day/week/month that isn't deeply invested in the band in some way. I'm sure negativity isn't nice for the band to read but they should only really be worried when people become indifferent. I think there is a difference between negativity and frustration/disappointment. Negativity is thinking everything is wrong. Frustration/disappoitment is for example the L.A. billboard and the videos, a lot of unnecessary hype over the announcement of arena shows. The lack of news and interviews or new music, things could be better and different. For some people better and different means Finck, Buckethead and CD II. For others it means AFD5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Trevor Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 its literally axl's voice. the only thing lol, if he sang good they could play a full cover set at frank tempo and they'd still be great live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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