Dazey Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, action said: last time I checked, in belgium it's the same virus as in italy. as a scientist, you should view italy as the perfect setting to evaluate the possible consequences of this outbreak. your own charts provide an excellent scenario, almost like a glass ball, about what will happen in belgium. the experience and knowledge you'd gain from the study of the italian situation, would provide you solid guidelines, on how to do better than italians. Why make the same mistakes as the italians, who as the fact show, waited too long to close schools? Because, if it is necessary to close schools yesterday, then it was necessary to close them last monday. They just didnt know yet, but now they do. Belgium, knows too, but still refuses to act. They have actually said they want to wait until the first people die of covid19 in belgium before closing schools! this is actually worse than the italian government, who didnt know better. but belgium, now, does. Hell, why not make absolutely sure by confining everybody to their homes and shooting anybody who tries to leave? That will ensure no more people get infected. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Christopher Columbus, is this still going on?! SoulMonster must be the most patient poster on here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, EvanG said: Christopher Columbus, is this still going on?! SoulMonster must be the most patient poster on here! You've seen him arguing with @DieselDaisy before right? This could go on for days! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Dazey said: You've seen him arguing with @DieselDaisy before right? This could go on for days! The conversation between him and action reminds me of a teacher explaining the same thing over and over yet the student keeps on failing to grasp what is being said. It's quite impressive really, I couldn't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadApples87 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Antarctica is the place to be in 2020! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 the belgian government doesn't want to say where the infected live. in the netherlands, they do. so yet another measure, that could make people more carefull, is not taken. the official reason given is that "it wouldnt help to prevent spreading the virus", but the reality is of course, the economic damage this could cause. because people in the affected regions will refrain from going to stores etc. schools aren't closed, again, the official reason: it wont help prevent spreading the virus. read, the real reason: people can't take care of their kids, they'll need to stay home from work, this will hurt the economy every. single. measure. is always geared towards containing the damage to the economy. the government is encouraging people to still travel, to go to public happenings etc... not to contain the epidemy, but to contain the economic damage. italy has gone this route for a couple of weeks, and the results are shocking, with an explosion of infected today, and many more deaths. the italian economy is shot, so they figure they might as well take measures that favor national health for once. far, far, FAR too late. my god, it's like war. the effects of this will be felt a long time in the future. How will the public take the inadequacy of all these governments? What will be the reaction? After WWI, so many governments fell. the russian revolution, the fall of the german empire, all a result of a profound change in the life of the people. Will the same happen as a result of the incompetence of our government? Is a new revolution going to happen? I hope so, it's about goddamn time that the "rule of money" yields to the interests of the common people. I predict a direct blow to right and extreme right parties, who by nature favour the capital. I hope, that people will vote left again, a return to decency and care for the weak in our society. governments left, right and center are shifting to the right side of the political spectrum, and I'm sick and tired of them all, fucking assholes that they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) The community health centre has a van that delivers clean crack pipes and many related items, including wet naps and hand sanitizer, to street involved people. The people running the van came to realize that people were asking for lots of hand sanitizer and wipes. It seems that since the city's stores are all sold out of sanitizer that its being stockpiled by some of the vans clients. Its surmised that the sanitizer is then being sold into the community. The people that would be buying it (or exchanging services for it) are really vulnerable people - they are being preyed upon. Its really sad. Edited March 5, 2020 by soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I was speaking with a few Californians just now and they were mocking canadians for taking Coronavirus so seriously... how it's been around for years, it only harms those who have weak systems and that the common cold kills tons more etc... Cant wait until they attribute it on Trump winning, again, in November Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 50 minutes ago, action said: the belgian government doesn't want to say where the infected live. in the netherlands, they do. so yet another measure, that could make people more carefull, is not taken. the official reason given is that "it wouldnt help to prevent spreading the virus", but the reality is of course, the economic damage this could cause. because people in the affected regions will refrain from going to stores etc. Really, people would be avoiding leaving their houses if they knew there were infected people in the same town? Come on, surely Belgium people are not that hysterical. You are just thinking how you would react and thinking everybody are like you. 54 minutes ago, action said: schools aren't closed, again, the official reason: it wont help prevent spreading the virus. read, the real reason: people can't take care of their kids, they'll need to stay home from work, this will hurt the economy It most definitely will hurt the economy. Also, nurses and doctors would have to stay home with their kids which would be extremely bad right now. Also, they are right in that it won't stop the spread - it's probably too late for that now. It would slow down the spread though, but you have to compare the value of slowing it down somewhat with the drawbacks closing schools has on society. And it simply isn't as simple as just being about economy. I have already mentioned some reasons, but we also shouldn't deny that schools are good and shouldn't be interrupted needlessly. Lastly, closing down schools is a pretty drastic reaction and is likely to induce more hysteria among people. All of this should be balanced with an epidemic that could end up not causing more than a few tens of thousands of deaths world-wide. 58 minutes ago, action said: every. single. measure. is always geared towards containing the damage to the economy. Your monomanic focus on the economy is fascinating. I suppose to someone modestly equipped with nothing but a barely-working hammer every problem does look like a nail. 59 minutes ago, action said: the government is encouraging people to still travel, to go to public happenings etc... not to contain the epidemy, but to contain the economic damage. And to simply keep the wheels of society rolling. You know, keep science going, keep people happy, and yes, keep business ticking away. Discouraging people from travel in general would be an act of hysteria, at this moment. And fortunately, policy-givers are a tad more knowledgeable and considerate than you. 1 hour ago, action said: my god, it's like war. the effects of this will be felt a long time in the future. How will the public take the inadequacy of all these governments? What will be the reaction? And if this just blows over and the death toll end up lower than with seasonal flu, will the public feel ashamed for over-reacting? Will people like you learn something from all of this? Will people feel rather stupid for wearing face masks despite the fact that they didn't help in the face of an epidemic that wasn't really that dangerous to most people? 1 hour ago, action said: Will the same happen as a result of the incompetence of our government? Is a new revolution going to happen? I hope so, it's about goddamn time that the "rule of money" yields to the interests of the common people. Fascinating. For the record, I can't see that your government has done anything wrong here. Of course I don't know the details, but I if you say they have, then I figure they haven't. 1 hour ago, action said: governments left, right and center are shifting to the right side of the political spectrum, and I'm sick and tired of them all, fucking assholes that they are It is fascinating how you go from being confused about how governments should respond to this epidemic, blaming your government for not adopting measures that to me is ill-advised at this stage and slightly irrational, and then express almost hatred for politicians based on nothing but your own confusion. So you basically make up a fantasy world where your government is doing something against you, while they aren't. Truly fascinating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: And to simply keep the wheels of society rolling. You know, keep science going, keep people happy, and yes, keep business ticking away. Discouraging people from travel in general would be an act of hysteria, at this moment. And fortunately, policy-givers are a tad more knowledgeable and considerate than you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunko12345 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 7 hours ago, Towelie said: My cousin has it and her three kids. It hasn't been reported in the media, I don't think the full extent of the number of cases is being reported by mainstream media. I had it aswell a few days ago and felt like shit after a few days but my immune system.is pretty robust. My boss tried to tell me to stay home and isolate myself but I told him to fuck right off. My service users in the care home come first. If I'm not there to wipe their arses and put them to bed who will. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 25 minutes ago, spunko12345 said: My service users in the care home come first. If I'm not there to wipe their arses and put them to bed who will. Someone who hasn't got coronovirus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunko12345 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Towelie said: Someone who hasn't got coronovirus? 😂 They all called in sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonfender2323 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 This virus can actually cause a worldwide recession. The manufacturers in china can cease production and that's a big danger for the biggest economies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, SoulMonster said: Really, people would be avoiding leaving their houses if they knew there were infected people in the same town? Come on, surely Belgium people are not that hysterical. You are just thinking how you would react and thinking everybody are like you. It most definitely will hurt the economy. Also, nurses and doctors would have to stay home with their kids which would be extremely bad right now. Also, they are right in that it won't stop the spread - it's probably too late for that now. It would slow down the spread though, but you have to compare the value of slowing it down somewhat with the drawbacks closing schools has on society. And it simply isn't as simple as just being about economy. I have already mentioned some reasons, but we also shouldn't deny that schools are good and shouldn't be interrupted needlessly. Lastly, closing down schools is a pretty drastic reaction and is likely to induce more hysteria among people. All of this should be balanced with an epidemic that could end up not causing more than a few tens of thousands of deaths world-wide. Your monomanic focus on the economy is fascinating. I suppose to someone modestly equipped with nothing but a barely-working hammer every problem does look like a nail. And to simply keep the wheels of society rolling. You know, keep science going, keep people happy, and yes, keep business ticking away. Discouraging people from travel in general would be an act of hysteria, at this moment. And fortunately, policy-givers are a tad more knowledgeable and considerate than you. And if this just blows over and the death toll end up lower than with seasonal flu, will the public feel ashamed for over-reacting? Will people like you learn something from all of this? Will people feel rather stupid for wearing face masks despite the fact that they didn't help in the face of an epidemic that wasn't really that dangerous to most people? Fascinating. For the record, I can't see that your government has done anything wrong here. Of course I don't know the details, but I if you say they have, then I figure they haven't. It is fascinating how you go from being confused about how governments should respond to this epidemic, blaming your government for not adopting measures that to me is ill-advised at this stage and slightly irrational, and then express almost hatred for politicians based on nothing but your own confusion. So you basically make up a fantasy world where your government is doing something against you, while they aren't. Truly fascinating. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/covid-19-coronavirus-march-5-1.5486464 Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus concerned efforts by some countries 'do not match the level of threat' WHO chief urges countries to act quickly, educate public and mobilize 'whole government' response to COVID-19 Tedros said WHO is concerned that in some countries, "the level of political commitment, and the actions that demonstrate that commitment, do not match the level of threat we all face." "This is not the time to give up," he said. "This is not a time for excuses. This is a time for pulling out all the stops." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axls Rocket Queen Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Our work bulletin included advice not to kiss the dogs until we can be sure they can't spread it Our head vet has to go to daily directors' meetings to discuss contingency plans, he must be banging his head on the table if it's all stuff like this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, action said: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/covid-19-coronavirus-march-5-1.5486464 Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus concerned efforts by some countries 'do not match the level of threat' WHO chief urges countries to act quickly, educate public and mobilize 'whole government' response to COVID-19 Tedros said WHO is concerned that in some countries, "the level of political commitment, and the actions that demonstrate that commitment, do not match the level of threat we all face." "This is not the time to give up," he said. "This is not a time for excuses. This is a time for pulling out all the stops." Congratulations on identifying the responsibility of the WHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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-Jaro- Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 😂 All this is like some global reality show went bad. In Australia - priority was toilet paper and people fight for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 But CNN is the source of fake news: https://www.thedailybeast.com/cnns-dr-sanjay-gupta-dumbfounded-by-trumps-coronavirus-advice?ref=home How fucking irresponsible do you have to be to tell people it's fine to go to work if they're sick, regardless whether it's COVID-19 or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnold layne Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 1 hour ago, downzy said: How fucking irresponsible do you have to be to tell people it's fine to go to work if they're sick, regardless whether it's COVID-19 or not. That is pretty much every boss in retail America. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Apparently the airline industry is getting slaughtered. Some are suggesting COVID-19 could have a similar effect on the industry's financials as 9/11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 2 hours ago, downzy said: Apparently the airline industry is getting slaughtered. Some are suggesting COVID-19 could have a similar effect on the industry's financials as 9/11. I have to cancel a planned trip because my conference suddenly became completely "virtual". Now this is getting serious!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 3 hours ago, downzy said: Apparently the airline industry is getting slaughtered. Some are suggesting COVID-19 could have a similar effect on the industry's financials as 9/11. depends on how long this will continue. chine has a rise in infections again, belgium reports. Thursday, 143 new infections, which is 4 more than the day earlier. Also, 30 new deaths. So @SoulMonster is wrong to claim that the infections in china are slowing down. and this is the worrying part. Unlike a common flu epidemy, where you see a spike and then a decline, here we had a spike, a decline and a rise again. You might argue that italy will go through the same: a spike, decline and an increase again. So we go through a false sense of "ok, we got the worst behind us" to "oh dear, it's rising again". this is why I feel, that this is a nightmare that doesn't end. the effect on the economy will no doubt be massive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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