The "New Album" Thread. Thanks to the long ass thread, I’m going home!

[Guest]

As a song I have gone off Perhaps a bit compared to other unreleased songs but its a way more logical song to release than Absurd was, it has a slight UYI flavour to it. Obviously I want it to be released, but the real possitive in that happening is it makes me more convinced there will be The General at some point.

[jamillos]

This thread... I hope this madness is worth... The General.

[GoodOlJohnnyK]

26 minutes ago, Martin Riggs said:

It’s definitely a better song than Absurd and the lyrically cheesy (not to mention the stupid ass ringing bell and high school locker vibe) Hard Skool.

Music, of course, is subjective. But I could not disagree more. Both Absurd and Hard Skool at least have some energy to them and Hard Skool is catchy.

Perhaps is dull, mid-tempo mud that never goes anywhere.

The only nice thing I have to say about Perhaps is that it’s not as bad as Atlas Shrugged.

[Rovim]

7 minutes ago, GoodOlJohnnyK said:

Music, of course, is subjective. But I could not disagree more. Both Absurd and Hard Skool at least have some energy to them and Hard Skool is catchy.

Perhaps is dull, mid-tempo mud that never goes anywhere.

The only nice thing I have to say about Perhaps is that it’s not as bad as Atlas Shrugged.

funny, I think Atlas is 10 times the song Perhaps is, but I still like it as well and I'm interested in hearing the changes that were made to it, especially by Slash.

Edited July 15, 2023 by Rovim

[Martin Riggs]

4 minutes ago, GoodOlJohnnyK said:

Music, of course, is subjective. But I could not disagree more. Both Absurd and Hard Skool at least have some energy to them and Hard Skool is catchy.

Perhaps is dull, mid-tempo mud that never goes anywhere.

The only nice thing I have to say about Perhaps is that it’s not as bad as Atlas Shrugged.

Absurd as a first “single” in however many years is absurd. Hard Skool may be catchy, but it’s also lyrically cringey. There’s a good song in there but it’s not what ended up being the finished product. 
 

Perhaps at least sounds like an older adult version of what you could’ve imagined a GNR ballad type song sounding like. Because of that I think it’ll fare better than the other 2. Still disappointing though the only song they’re definitely going to release in the near future is more reheated food from 20 years ago.

[Grayfox]

24 minutes ago, jamillos said:

This thread... I hope this madness is worth... The General.

I hope The General is worth the madness 

[Guest]

I hope the production of The General isn't mad

[Hidin´Stradlin]

Who is The General?

[GoodOlJohnnyK]

19 minutes ago, Martin Riggs said:

Hard Skool may be catchy, but it’s also lyrically cringey.

While the lyrics aren’t Shakespeare, they’re no more cringey than anything else on Chinese Democracy, which has some shockingly undercooked lyrics, especially for a lyricist as gifted as Axl.

The entire title track doesn’t have a whole lot going on lyrically. If The World is middle school caliber generic heartbreak sentiment. Scraped is the kind of self empowerment nonsense that you can read on a wall in a high school gym locker room. Riad is complete nonsense. The less said about IRS the better. Even This I Love, written back in 1993, is really poor lyrically.

But it doesn’t matter, because in most of these cases, the songs themselves were good. Hard Skool is a good song, lyrics notwithstanding.

The same can’t be said for Perhaps.

[drlaban]

I hope we’ll have a UYI/TSI production quality next time. Not the later CD fiasco sound wise. 

[allwaystired]

13 hours ago, BassistSeb said:

I think what's surprised me the most is that there's absolutely no change from the NuGuns days. I'd have thought Slash coming back would have changed something but nope, we're all still wondering when Chinese-era stuff will come out and still musing on what might be out there and just like the NuGuns era there's stuff that's good to go but isn't released or being played live because reasons. I'd figured at some point that they'd probably do a reunion album like Sabbath and the Pumpkins and ditch the CD stuff but it seems the core GN'R way of doing things hasn't changed. 

Yeah, that's really surprised me too. Someone on here said the other day "Slash and Duff just joined Nu-GNR" who seems actually accurate now. What they're saying is no different from what Ashba, Bumblefoot, Fortus etc were saying during those years. 

[El Guapo]

5 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Yeah, that's really surprised me too. Someone on here said the other day "Slash and Duff just joined Nu-GNR" who seems actually accurate now. What they're saying is no different from what Ashba, Bumblefoot, Fortus etc were saying during those years. 

That's the worst part of the reunion. Never thought it would happen like this.

Sometimes I think this is Axl's revenge and he's enjoying this kind of evil power play.

[HollyWoodRose84]

15 minutes ago, Hidin´Stradlin said:

Who is The General?

Tommy Stinson 

Edited July 15, 2023 by HollyWoodRose84

[Blue Phoenix]

16 minutes ago, Hidin´Stradlin said:

Who is The General?

MSL?

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, Hidin´Stradlin said:

Who is The General?

According to Axl it's Stinson

According to Brain it's fried chicken

[Spoon87]

Thinking of it, it's still so baffling that they never did the most logical thing, as in dropping the big comeback album a year or so after the big reunion, doing the usual media rounds,  the AFD and UYI boxsets, Blu-ray, live album, then next album, and so on, basically what the Stones and so on do.

[Jw224]

 

Just now, Shacklermyrye said:

According to Axl it's Stinson

According to Brain it's fried chicken

Yeah, Brain named it that because he was eating chicken at the time, lol

[GoodOlJohnnyK]

I do have to say: I love this forum. The Guns N’ Roses fanbase is so unique among any other fandom I’m a part of. It’s endlessly entertaining.

Why does everyone take every piece of information so literally? Mayhue mentions the new recordings are “Appetite-oriented” and some of you have turned that into “there is an unreleased song from Appetite that they’re working on now.” It’s mind boggling. Especially when the math being used is based on a guy who got the number of tracks on Appetite wrong (there are 12, not 11). And why did he get the number wrong? Because he’s just speaking off the top of his head, like a normal human. To Mayhue, unlike some of us here, this isn’t some holy grail of unreleased music he’s been waiting for forever. It’s just part of his job. His day to day.

It’s like when Slash described the new songs as “epic” and people started going on about how we’re going to get another long intricate song, when in reality Slash could easily just using “epic” as a synonym for “cool.” Not everything should be taken literally - especially with this band!

There’s no new album - at least not yet. Slash *told you what to expect.* They are the recooked ChiDem songs and they will not feature new vocals from Axl. I’d bet money on it. We got Absurd and Hard Skool. We’ll get Perhaps and maybe Atlas and SOG, depending on how long this band goes on for. When will we get them? Likely around the time of any upcoming North American tours because that’s where the band can use a push selling tickets.

[MYWIFEMYLIFE]

I hope it's a new one that we never heard, none of the ones we heard is worth the wait.

[GoodOlJohnnyK]

I also keep hearing about The General but, in all my years coming here, have never heard it. 

Has anyone *actually* heard this song? Is it available online *anywhere*? It appears all evidence of it is anecdotal - similar to Cuban Skies or one of the other songs that people here claim to know all about because some guy said he was at a nightclub with Axl and Axl played it 15 years ago or something like that. Why does it get counted as one of the “complete” songs like Atlas and Perhaps?

I understand there’s a video where someone’s flipping through a song list and it’s in there, but wasn’t The General allegedly used as intro music for the band on a previous tour? Couldn’t that song list be a production list for the audio/video/lighting guys? And it just never got taken out in case they need to use it or reference it again? Wouldn’t that be a more reasonable conclusion than “The General is getting released soon!”

[jamillos]

7 minutes ago, GoodOlJohnnyK said:

I do have to say: I love this forum. The Guns N’ Roses fanbase is so unique among any other fandom I’m a part of. It’s endlessly entertaining.

Why does everyone take every piece of information so literally? Mayhue mentions the new recordings are “Appetite-oriented” and some of you have turned that into “there is an unreleased song from Appetite that they’re working on now.” It’s mind boggling. Especially when the math being used is based on a guy who got the number of tracks on Appetite wrong (there are 12, not 11). And why did he get the number wrong? Because he’s just speaking off the top of his head, like a normal human. To Mayhue, unlike some of us here, this isn’t some holy grail of unreleased music he’s been waiting for forever. It’s just part of his job. His day to day.

It’s like when Slash described the new songs as “epic” and people started going on about how we’re going to get another long intricate song, when in reality Slash could easily just using “epic” as a synonym for “cool.” Not everything should be taken literally - especially with this band!

There’s no new album - at least not yet. Slash *told you what to expect.* They are the recooked ChiDem songs and they will not feature new vocals from Axl. I’d bet money on it. We got Absurd and Hard Skool. We’ll get Perhaps and maybe Atlas and SOG, depending on how long this band goes on for. When will we get them? Likely around the time of any upcoming North American tours because that’s where the band can use a push selling tickets.

Starvation 

[jacdaniel]

41 minutes ago, Hidin´Stradlin said:

Who is The General?

Pele 

[Live Like a Suicide]

19 minutes ago, Jw224 said:

 

Yeah, Brain named it that because he was eating chicken at the time, lol

Boggles the mind as to why it still seems to have retained its working title.

[GoodOlJohnnyK]

32 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Yeah, that's really surprised me too. Someone on here said the other day "Slash and Duff just joined Nu-GNR" who seems actually accurate now. What they're saying is no different from what Ashba, Bumblefoot, Fortus etc were saying during those years. 

That’s kinda what happened.

This reunion has gone incredibly well. The band seems to be getting along. They’re playing consistent shows, starting on time, making a lot of money, making a lot of concert audiences happy (moreso on the nights Axl sounds semi-decent).

And all of this is because Axl is running the show.

Slash and Duff divorced themselves from the band in the mid 90s and it changed their perspective on it. In 1993, Slash and Duff were probably willing to fight for control with Axl over this stuff because at the time it was still *their* band just as much as it was his, in their eyes. They were still on a journey that began when the band got together in the 80s. It was still their imperial phase.

Fast forward 20+ years, after playing mostly theaters and clubs on their own, and their attitude is probably “hey, I left. This is Axl’s band now.” Of course, they wrote the songs with him. Of course, Slash and Duff are just as much a part of Guns N’ Roses as Axl is, in terms of the band’s history and songwriting and even legally with regards to the older work and artwork, etc.

But logistically and operationally, this is Axl’s band and that was probably made clear to Slash and Duff before they rejoined. That’s why they’re playing with Axl’s drummer and rhythm guitarist. That’s why there’s a second keyboardist/sampler in the band. It wasn’t a 3-man decision, it was Axl saying “this is who we’re rolling with, you guys good with that? Oh, the drummer isn’t to your liking? Work it out with him and get on the same page. See you at rehearsals.”

It’s similar to someone leaving a C-suite position at a large corporation but maintaining a seat on the board. That’s Slash and Duff - they sit at the table, but Axl is the CEO. I would even argue that perhaps Beta and Fernando have more sway than, say, Slash.

And a lot of that, again, is down to Slash and Duff being cool with it. Again, they have perspective: they left and went off on their own. In 1995, Slash still felt he had to protect his band, his legacy. 20 years later, he’s a  legend. An icon of music. He probably doesn’t *care* about when Guns is releasing new music. It’s more important for him to be friends with Axl and Duff and play these songs to adoring audiences in large venues than it is to fight with Axl again over the direction of new music. What once was important to Slash and Duff simple isn’t anymore. Their priorities have shifted.

[GNRfanMILO]

13 minutes ago, GoodOlJohnnyK said:

I also keep hearing about The General but, in all my years coming here, have never heard it. 

Has anyone *actually* heard this song? Is it available online *anywhere*? It appears all evidence of it is anecdotal - similar to Cuban Skies or one of the other songs that people here claim to know all about because some guy said he was at a nightclub with Axl and Axl played it 15 years ago or something like that. Why does it get counted as one of the “complete” songs like Atlas and Perhaps?

I understand there’s a video where someone’s flipping through a song list and it’s in there, but wasn’t The General allegedly used as intro music for the band on a previous tour? Couldn’t that song list be a production list for the audio/video/lighting guys? And it just never got taken out in case they need to use it or reference it again? Wouldn’t that be a more reasonable conclusion than “The General is getting released soon!”

Yeah, there's an audio recording from an afterparty of GnR's 2010 Vienna show (thanks @Mindray11 ). It's barely hearable, but well enough for @evader that made his own interpretation of the song using the Chinese Democracy RockBand stems (and other stuff).

I'll DM you both things