Pskihq92 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 40 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said: Unless there's concrete proof to the contrary, this woman is to be automatically believed. Axl was a known abuser, sexually, physically, emotionally, to women, lovers, employees, etc. That's right... people are guilty until proven innocent in a court of law.. oh wait 🤡 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNfr Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 55 minutes ago, BluegrassBlues said: Do you have a link to that interview? Or some more details about what happened? I'd like to learn more about it if you do I was hoping someone knows what I'm talking about but I'm pretty sure it was on YouTube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLotus1111 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 "Axl don't..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dummy Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, DarkLotus1111 said: "Axl don't..." The hell i wont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kira Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 It’s not good, I think it’s been documented that Axl had violent incidents with some women, although this one does sound like a cash grab. He just better hope that this doesn’t spur more women to come out of the woodwork to talk to the media. This will cause him to go into hibernation again I think. I wonder if he knew it was coming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRQ93 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) The question is, does this lawsuit trigger new lawsuits from Stephanie and Erin and whoever else? Seeing as they can see now how they’d actually be heard. The lawsuit also alleges that Axl did things to a 15 year old girl in 1985. If she’s still alive, might she also sue? Could she be called by this lady to testify? Edited November 22, 2023 by AxlRQ93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4NNY Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 1 minute ago, AxlRQ93 said: The question is, does this lawsuit trigger new lawsuits from Stephanie and Erin and whoever else? Seeing as they can see now how they’d actually be heard. The lawsuit also alleges that Axl did things to a 15 year old girl in 1985. If she’s still alive, might she also sue? Could she be called by this lady to testify? Stephanie… who knows 🤷🏻♂️ Erin… I personally can’t see anything happening due to her relationship with Meegan (they’re close friends iirc) and I think Erin even went to watch a Guns show in 2016? As for that story of that 15 year old girl, wasn’t that something to do with both Axl and Slash? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kira Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, AxlRQ93 said: The question is, does this lawsuit trigger new lawsuits from Stephanie and Erin and whoever else? Seeing as they can see now how they’d actually be heard. The lawsuit also alleges that Axl did things to a 15 year old girl in 1985. If she’s still alive, might she also sue? Could she be called by this lady to testify? I’m assuming that is “little Michelle” she’s all over the internet. She seems crazy to be honest, not saying that something didn’t happen to her, but I don’t know how credible her testimony would be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) If this turns out to be true, and this girl somehow proves what she's saying, or the judge has enough evidence to say Axl's guilty, it might be the last nail in the coffin for me regarding GnR Edited November 22, 2023 by Cosmo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRQ93 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 another question is do slash and duff stay on board? Being associated with Axl now can tarnish their own brandsz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pucix Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Just now, AxlRQ93 said: another question is do slash and duff stay on board? Being associated with Axl now can tarnish their own brandsz Come on. Way to exaggerate. A case from almost 35 years ago - when they've been doing the same shit back then - will not make them leave GNR. Jesus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gibson87 Posted November 22, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2023 1 hour ago, JimiRose said: If this is the direct quote i don't see much of a case. There's no excuse for any sexual abuse or physical abuse. Here she says she wanted it explicitly. she also never writes that she said 'No'. The only thing she said no to in her words was an orgy, and she left and did not partake in one. afterwards they had sex, she gave him head and they cuddled. I'm not saying rape/sexual assault can't proceed nicer things, but this just seems very hazy. Of course it could be that the scene was such that she thought this was normal sexual behaviour with rockstars/actors/celebs and heard lots of similar stories from friends and accepted it. As someone previously said, womens rights were not top of the agenda when it came to sex and the celebrity. certainly not when it came to the police (even today). I don't think theres any doubt that Axl did this. I think the issue is did she consent, did he think she consented and did anything actually illegal take place. the lawsuit says something different to what she has written above. I think men who physically abuse women are the lowest of the low, but there's definitely people out there who like their sex rougher than others. I think only those involved know deep down what is consensual and what is assault. Consent isn't so black and white that you can boil it down to a simple yes/no answer. Her not saying "no" and claiming she wanted it doesn't change the fact that Axl (allegedly) grabbed her by the hair and dragged her down the hallway and into his room with no regard for whether or not she wanted to do it. That's assault. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Blackstar said: The excerpt from her memoir: ____ I’ve never been a big metal fan, but my girlfriend Suzy from Queens was. She loved Poison, Ratt, Def Leppard, Judas Priest, all that shit. I was hanging with her in New York and she was really excited that Rikki Rachtman was importing his traveling metal club the Cat House to some New York venue that night, and she really wanted to go. Rachtman was a big deal at the time; a failed singer, he’d parlayed his friendship with various musicians into a gig hosting a metal-themed video block on MTV called Headbangers’ Ball. I had no idea about any of this shit. Suzy was my manager’s secretary, Cuban extraction, a little on the zaftig side but still smoking hot by my estimation. Although I wasn’t into metal I was sure as hell still into nightlife. I thought it could be fun. She helped me dress the part by lending me one of her studded belts. At the club, we were doing our thing, dancing, drinking. In the back of the room there was this table with a huge crowd around it: models and hangers-on, all gravitating around this incredibly good-looking guy with long red hair. I wanted that fucker, whoever he was. I said to Suzy, “Man, he is gorgeous, who is that?” Suzy said, “You don’t know who that is?” “No.” “That’s Axl Rose. He’s the lead singer of Guns and Roses.” “OK.” “You know, ‘Sweet Child of Mine’?” “OK.” I had no idea what the fuck she was talking about. All I knew was that he was beautiful. Google some pictures of him from the Appetite For Destruction era. I’m not lying. Once we got closer to the table he noticed me, too. He got to the point pretty quick. “Hey, you wanna party with me and Rikki?” “Sure, my girlfriend and I…” “Not your girlfriend. She’s not hot.” I was thinking, “Oh shit.” I didn’t feel great about abandoning my friend, but I fucking wanted this guy. “Go find another girl, we’ll take some other girl but not your girlfriend.” Fuck it. I said to Suzy, “I’m really sorry, Axl just wants me to go.” She was a pretty good sport about it, or maybe she knew she was about to dodge a bullet. When I got back to Axl, Rikki had found himself a nice looking model I’ll call B., and we were good to go. We all went to the hotel where Axl and Rikki were sharing a suite. It wasn’t a rock and roll hotel, it was a pretty high-end place, near the Plaza. Could have been the Pierre. When we got to the suite there was a contingent of hangers-on hanging out, champagne, coke, all that, and Rikki has to play bad cop and clear all these leeches out. I asked Axl to point me to where I could freshen up. I’m in his bathroom. And there’s all kinds of medication laid out on a towel by the sink. There’s lithium, there’s Adderall, there’s all this SHIT. Since this time a lot of Rose’s mental health issues have come to light, but back then his main problem as it was understood by the public was that he was a fucked-up rock star who did fucked-up rock-star things. Which is just a hair different from being a person on anti-psychotic meds, or whatever these were. On top of that, I’m thinking, he’s high on coke, on champagne, on Scotch. He’s very high. He’s a fucking time bomb. In the bedroom, it’s the four of us, Axl, Rikki, B. So this is how it’s gonna go down, a little mini-orgy. Well, it wasn’t what I had in mind. And once Rikki’s clothes were off, I was looking at his cock and it was kind of on the massive side. Like potentially very uncomfortably massive. And I’m thinking, “I didn’t sign up for THIS.” I had not intended to fuck anyone except Axl. But soon B. is making out with Axl, and soon they’re fucking, and I’m going down on Rikki. And NOW Rikki decides he wants me to go to another room with him. I throw on a robe. We don’t even get to Rikki’s room, and suddenly we hear screaming. And things being thrown. Rikki knew what was up. He went white. He said to me, “You need to get your stuff and get out of here.” “What do you mean, all my stuff is in there.” “You don’t understand. It’s gonna get worse.” In the other room I heard Axl screaming “You’re a fucking whore. Get the fuck out of here.” B. comes out of the room. The door of the bedroom’s open, I see a broken TV, and all this shit strewn all over. Axl stalks out of the room. Rikki is sitting in a chair in the main room all collapsed, just being a pussy. And Axl sees me and says “What the FUCK are you doing back here.” He grabs me by the back of my hair and starts pulling me by the hair. And Rikki just looks at me. I’ve fallen to the floor and Axl’s dragging me across the floor. The carpet’s cutting my legs. And he throws me on the bed and picks up my pantyhose from off of the floor and ties my hands behind my back with them. I’m on the bed, on my stomach. “Just fucking lay there. Don’t fucking do anything.” I’m crying and bleeding. Axl slams the door and locks it. The other girl is gone. Rikki’s in the other room. And I lay there. And he fucked me, anally. And I could handle it because he wasn’t too big. Weirdly enough, I was okay with this. I had wanted to be with him since the minute I’d first laid eyes on him, and now I was getting him. Once he was done he untied me and we fucked around some more. I remember going down on him and sticking my finger in his ass and he really wanted that, he really got off on that. That’s what made him come. And when we were exhausted he got up next to me and spooned me, and started playing with my hair. “Oh my God. I did so not want to do that. I’m so sorry. I did not want to hurt you, that shouldn’t have happened.” He went from being an absolute psycho to this spooning, mewling, apologetic child. I was so exhausted that I passed out. We both passed out. Then it was six or seven in the morning. I was awake and he was gone. Stuff was all over the place. Clothes. Belts. Broken bottles. The overturned TV. The maids were there. I was like “My fucking God. I’ve got to get out of here.” I got dressed as fast as I could and took a train back to Suzy’s. And she’s devastated because I forgot her favorite fucking studded belt. Can you believe it? “You’re going back and getting it.” “No fucking way. You don’t understand what happened.” “I don’t care.” But I schlep back up to the Pierre. It’s the afternoon. They’re still cleaning the fucking room because it’s in such disarray. But in Axl’s bedroom, everything is made up. Clean as a whistle. And laying neatly atop the bed: Suzy’s belt. And I’m like, “Yeah.” Axl was gone, by the way, because he had to go on Howard Stern that morning. That was the main reason he was in town. And he was late. Stern wasn’t having it. “I know you’re fucking rock star, but let me tell you something. Nobody is late for my show. So what the fuck were you doing last night?” “I was with this Penthouse Pet and it just got crazy,” Axl answered. “Oh, did it now?” Sure did. I never saw Axl again. But I saw Rikki. What’s fucked up is that we’ve kind of become friends, and stayed friends. As for Axl, he’s not in a great place now. There are a lot of people out there who want to see him burn in hell. I don’t feel that way about him, but I do feel in a way that he got everything he deserved. Or everything he asked for, whether he knew he was asking for it or not. ______ So this is violent sex, right, but not rape. I mean, they continued... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNfr Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 1 hour ago, BluegrassBlues said: Do you have a link to that interview? Or some more details about what happened? I'd like to learn more about it if you do OK found it, it was on Stern show 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kira Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 I think Axl is just lucky that the statutes have passed. He could have been Danny Masterson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluegrassBlues Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DeNfr said: OK found it, it was on Stern show Thank you! Ok I know this story about him freaking out on a girl in Chicago then, I don't think it had any reason with Slash leaving the band, just Chicago but they were all mad at each other anyway during this time Edited November 22, 2023 by BluegrassBlues Misspelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scream of the Butterfly Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 27 minutes ago, AxlRQ93 said: The question is, does this lawsuit trigger new lawsuits from Stephanie and Erin and whoever else? Seeing as they can see now how they’d actually be heard. The lawsuit also alleges that Axl did things to a 15 year old girl in 1985. If she’s still alive, might she also sue? Could she be called by this lady to testify? Erin and Stephanie can't sue him again after already agreeing to a settlement. The 15-year-old girl can't sue because the statute of limitations has run out. They could call her to testify and the fact that she is mentioned in this lawsuit suggests they are prepared to do just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJo Bonetto Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 1 hour ago, alfierose said: Nobody would have cared 34 years ago. It's debatable whether it will get anywhere now. Like the majority of these historical cases I can't be certain what the truth is but let's not pretend that almost 4 decades ago a woman or girl could go to a police station, report a famous wealthy man and it be taken seriously let alone reach a court. It doesn't always work out that way now never mind then. I agree. As fond as I am of Axl, what she is saying she has said before and it takes a lot of guts to come forward and face a powerful individual with a lot of fans/supporters. This isn't going to be an easy payday. Whatever happened between them, she has evidently been talking and thinking about this for a long time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4NNY Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, jamillos said: So this is violent sex, right, but not rape. I mean, they continued... exactly.. she never stated that she said “no”, she has stated (in that memoir) that she “liked it” and that she continued the night by giving him more.. and then spooning and getting some cute tickles in (and a finger 🙄) Some would say it started as a domination session and then just good ol’ normal sexy time. I’m also not saying what I think is true/false in this story before anyone jumps at me😅 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAC Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 I just don't get it. Why accusing him 34 years later. Fernando last week and now Axl? Coincidence? 🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Anyway, looks like Out Ta Get Me will be returning to the playlist... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Just now, ZODIAC said: I just don't get it. Why accusing him 34 years later. Fernando last week and now Axl? Coincidence? 🙄 It seems this has been said before, hasn't it? It's not easy to sue one of the most famous musicians in the world, who might have access to some of the best lawyers there are and to "anger" all of his fans. Especially in the 90s, when these cases meant nothing to public opinion and were more easily dismissed. Plus, it might be something she's struggling with to this day, trying to overcome, trying to turn the page, but after many years, she realized she wouldn't be able to move on without holding him accountable. There are many potential reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillConnor_1982 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 42 minutes ago, AxlRQ93 said: The question is, does this lawsuit trigger new lawsuits from Stephanie and Erin and whoever else? Seeing as they can see now how they’d actually be heard. The lawsuit also alleges that Axl did things to a 15 year old girl in 1985. If she’s still alive, might she also sue? Could she be called by this lady to testify? I sure hope so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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