Axl Sued For Sexual Assault

[ZoSoRose]

All 5 of them were self- admitted pieces of hot- garbage back then. Slash's book straight- up celebrates it. If this shit did happen, of course there should be consequences 

Edited November 22, 2023 by ZoSoRose

[Manfisman]

2 hours ago, Blackstar said:

The excerpt from her memoir:

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I’ve never been a big metal fan, but my girlfriend Suzy from Queens was. She loved Poison, Ratt, Def Leppard, Judas Priest, all that shit. I was hanging with her in New York and she was really excited that Rikki Rachtman was importing his traveling metal club the Cat House to some New York venue that night, and she really wanted to go. Rachtman was a big deal at the time; a failed singer, he’d parlayed his friendship with various musicians into a gig hosting a metal-themed video block on MTV called Headbangers’ Ball. I had no idea about any of this shit.

Suzy was my manager’s secretary, Cuban extraction, a little on the zaftig side but still smoking hot by my estimation. Although I wasn’t into metal I was sure as hell still into nightlife. I thought it could be fun. She helped me dress the part by lending me one of her studded belts.

At the club, we were doing our thing, dancing, drinking. In the back of the room there was this table with a huge crowd around it: models and hangers-on, all gravitating around this incredibly good-looking guy with long red hair. I wanted that fucker, whoever he was.

I said to Suzy, “Man, he is gorgeous, who is that?”

Suzy said, “You don’t know who that is?”

“No.”

“That’s Axl Rose. He’s the lead singer of Guns and Roses.”

“OK.”

“You know, ‘Sweet Child of Mine’?”

“OK.”

I had no idea what the fuck she was talking about. All I knew was that he was beautiful. Google some pictures of him from the Appetite For Destruction era. I’m not lying.

Once we got closer to the table he noticed me, too. He got to the point pretty quick. “Hey, you wanna party with me and Rikki?”

“Sure, my girlfriend and I…”

“Not your girlfriend. She’s not hot.”

I was thinking, “Oh shit.” I didn’t feel great about abandoning my friend, but I fucking wanted this guy.

“Go find another girl, we’ll take some other girl but not your girlfriend.”

Fuck it. I said to Suzy, “I’m really sorry, Axl just wants me to go.” She was a pretty good sport about it, or maybe she knew she was about to dodge a bullet. When I got back to Axl, Rikki had found himself a nice looking model I’ll call B., and we were good to go.

We all went to the hotel where Axl and Rikki were sharing a suite. It wasn’t a rock and roll hotel, it was a pretty high-end place, near the Plaza. Could have been the Pierre. When we got to the suite there was a contingent of hangers-on hanging out, champagne, coke, all that, and Rikki has to play bad cop and clear all these leeches out. I asked Axl to point me to where I could freshen up.

I’m in his bathroom. And there’s all kinds of medication laid out on a towel by the sink. There’s lithium, there’s Adderall, there’s all this SHIT. Since this time a lot of Rose’s mental health issues have come to light, but back then his main problem as it was understood by the public was that he was a fucked-up rock star who did fucked-up rock-star things. Which is just a hair different from being a person on anti-psychotic meds, or whatever these were. On top of that, I’m thinking, he’s high on coke, on champagne, on Scotch. He’s very high. He’s a fucking time bomb.

In the bedroom, it’s the four of us, Axl, Rikki, B. So this is how it’s gonna go down, a little mini-orgy. Well, it wasn’t what I had in mind. And once Rikki’s clothes were off, I was looking at his cock and it was kind of on the massive side. Like potentially very uncomfortably massive. And I’m thinking, “I didn’t sign up for THIS.” I had not intended to fuck anyone except Axl. But soon B. is making out with Axl, and soon they’re fucking, and I’m going down on Rikki.

And NOW Rikki decides he wants me to go to another room with him. I throw on a robe. We don’t even get to Rikki’s room, and suddenly we hear screaming. And things being thrown.

Rikki knew what was up. He went white. He said to me, “You need to get your stuff and get out of here.”

“What do you mean, all my stuff is in there.”

“You don’t understand. It’s gonna get worse.”

In the other room I heard Axl screaming “You’re a fucking whore. Get the fuck out of here.” B. comes out of the room. The door of the bedroom’s open, I see a broken TV, and all this shit strewn all over. Axl stalks out of the room. Rikki is sitting in a chair in the main room all collapsed, just being a pussy. 

And Axl sees me and says “What the FUCK are you doing back here.” He grabs me by the back of my hair and starts pulling me by the hair. And Rikki just looks at me. I’ve fallen to the floor and Axl’s dragging me across the floor. The carpet’s cutting my legs. And he throws me on the bed and picks up my pantyhose from off of the floor and ties my hands behind my back with them. I’m on the bed, on my stomach.

“Just fucking lay there. Don’t fucking do anything.” I’m crying and bleeding. Axl slams the door and locks it. The other girl is gone. Rikki’s in the other room. And I lay there. And he fucked me, anally. And I could handle it because he wasn’t too big.

Weirdly enough, I was okay with this. I had wanted to be with him since the minute I’d first laid eyes on him, and now I was getting him. Once he was done he untied me and we fucked around some more. I remember going down on him and sticking my finger in his ass and he really wanted that, he really got off on that. That’s what made him come. And when we were exhausted he got up next to me and spooned me, and started playing with my hair.

“Oh my God. I did so not want to do that. I’m so sorry. I did not want to hurt you, that shouldn’t have happened.” He went from being an absolute psycho to this spooning, mewling, apologetic child. I was so exhausted that I passed out. We both passed out. Then it was six or seven in the morning. I was awake and he was gone. Stuff was all over the place. Clothes. Belts. Broken bottles. The overturned TV. The maids were there. I was like “My fucking God. I’ve got to get out of here.” I got dressed as fast as I could and took a train back to Suzy’s. And she’s devastated because I forgot her favorite fucking studded belt. Can you believe it?

“You’re going back and getting it.”

“No fucking way. You don’t understand what happened.”

“I don’t care.”

But I schlep back up to the Pierre. It’s the afternoon. They’re still cleaning the fucking room because it’s in such disarray. But in Axl’s bedroom, everything is made up. Clean as a whistle. And laying neatly atop the bed: Suzy’s belt. And I’m like, “Yeah.”

Axl was gone, by the way, because he had to go on Howard Stern that morning. That was the main reason he was in town. And he was late. Stern wasn’t having it. “I know you’re fucking rock star, but let me tell you something. Nobody is late for my show. So what the fuck were you doing last night?”

“I was with this Penthouse Pet and it just got crazy,” Axl answered.

“Oh, did it now?”

Sure did.

I never saw Axl again. But I saw Rikki. What’s fucked up is that we’ve kind of become friends, and stayed friends. As for Axl, he’s not in a great place now. There are a lot of people out there who want to see him burn in hell. I don’t feel that way about him, but I do feel in a way that he got everything he deserved. Or everything he asked for, whether he knew he was asking for it or not.

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The way this is written it sounds like she was ok with it. She actually says it:

 

"Weirdly enough, I was okay with this. I had wanted to be with him since the minute I’d first laid eyes on him, and now I was getting him. Once he was done he untied me and we fucked around some more."

[F*ck Fear]

I've wondered since the whole #metoo movement started why this hadn't been brought up. He'll OIAM hasn't even been brought up.

[axljungle]

Sorry but I think this as true as Kevin Spacey lawsuit. 
I believe in presumption of innocence.

Axl didn’t need to abuse of a woman for having sex

[Italian girl]

.. and I was complaining that the fourm would have gone quiet for a year ..

Kat, frank's divorce, now axl..

 The tour ended 20 days ago..  what else will happen  in the next 365 days?

[JoJo Bonetto]

57 minutes ago, Kira said:

It’s not good, I think it’s been documented that Axl had violent incidents with some women, although this one does sound like a cash grab.  He just better hope that this doesn’t spur more women to come out of the woodwork to talk to the media.  

This will cause him to go into hibernation again I think.  I wonder if he knew it was coming.

He knew. It was in the Look Away documentary and he commented on it via his lawyer at the time.

[Blackstar]

This is really, really bad, even though it's not a new story (in the sense that it has made the rounds in the press before).

The only thing that keeps it from being completely disastrous is that it's about stuff that happened more than 30 years ago and not something more recent (like with Marilyn Manson, for example) and the public perception of Axl for that period has been negative anyway.

[Manfisman]

I think they will need to come up with a statement, even if the case is dismissed.  This has been pretty much picked up everywhere in a very short time. Based on the victim's own words from her book I don't think there is much of a case, however, the public perception is a whole different story.

[Scream of the Butterfly]

I don't think consent is given or withdrawn freely in a situation where she's lying there naked, tied up, bleeding and crying, after just having been physically abused by him. It doesn't matter whether she said no. He should not have had sex with her in that situation. Period.

[Blackstar]

2 hours ago, C.H. said:

Beating the clock since the temporary NY law is about to expire. 

“For a year, a special New York law has cleared the way for a wave of headline-grabbing lawsuits against famous men accused of sexual misconduct, including former President Donald Trump, hip hop mogul Sean “Diddy” Combs and the comedian and actor Russell Brand.
But when the Adult Survivors Act expires after Thanksgiving, it also will have led to a multitude of legal claims by women who say they were sexually abused while serving time in the New York’s prisons and jails.
More than 2,500 lawsuits have been filed so far under the law, which created a year-long suspension of the usual time limit to sue over an alleged sexual assault.”

More at the link. 

https://apnews.com/article/sexual-abuse-lawsuits-new-york-6fd16aa4cc992c089e91c6fef064f375 

Cases like this will either have a private settlement for an undisclosed amount of money (which I think will be the case re: Fernando v Kat harassment claims, and a settlement/payout to Kat re: pics) or the case will be dismissed which won’t make as many headlines if that happens.

Yeah. There was a similar law in New York about victims that were underage at the time of the alleged sexual assault. The lawsuit against Bob Dylan was filed under that law (on the day it expired, just like now) about something that supposedly happened in the 60s.

[drlaban]

3 hours ago, DSTK said:

Cash grab...waiting 34 years 

I bet it's Civil, it'll all be about 💰 

What’s so civil ‘bout war anyway?

[Georgina Arriaga]

1 minute ago, Blackstar said:

Yeah. There was a similar law in New York about victims that were underage at the time of the alleged sexual assault. The lawsuit against Bob Dylan was filed under that law (on the day it expired, just like now) about something that supposedly happened in the 60s.

Bob Dylan was sued for sexual assault?

[VampireSoul]

Been reading comments on Twitter about this and shockingly they're 99% supportive of Axl. He's usually brutally clowned on that app. 

[TheGeneral]

Look, I'm all for justice.

But be Michael Jackson, Steven Tyler or Axl Rose: coming out with this shit 30+ years later is utter bullshit. There should really be a limit for this to avoid cashgrabs and false accusations.

[2020_Intensions]

1 hour ago, Pskihq92 said:

That's right... people are guilty until proven innocent in a court of law.. oh wait 🤡

You fucking morons don't understand the difference to believing somebody's claims, and a guilty verdict ... Fuck off CLOWN

[Draguns]

13 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

This is really, really bad, even though it's not a new story (in the sense that it has made the rounds in the press before).

The only thing that keeps it from being completely disastrous is that it's about stuff that happened more than 30 years ago and not something more recent (like with Marilyn Manson, for example) and the public perception of Axl for that period has been negative anyway.

I don't know. The issue that a lot of people will have is why wait 34 years to file a lawsuit. Additionally, she said that she was ok with from what you posted.  I think that GNR needs to issue a statement on this. The book excerpt will be posted by someone. 

[Chris 55]

1 hour ago, JAxlMorrison said:

Also, Axl has never been in studio on Stern. They called him at a hotel once, and he called them once with Sebastian. Small detail, but still…

yeah that struck me as odd too. I remember the call was Axl and Sebastian Back on the phone. That was his only appearance. 

[TheGeneral]

Also, Axl was a piece of shit back then and I can imagine him doing many bad things. 

For what it's worth, I could never imagine him being a rapist. I don't know him personally, but I'm pretty good at reading people. (Ellen and Chrissy Teigen are some of my success stories)

Axl IMO is much too soft, gentle and hurt to be a rapist.

[Blackstar]

1 hour ago, JAxlMorrison said:

Also, Axl has never been in studio on Stern. They called him at a hotel once, and he called them once with Sebastian. Small detail, but still…

Yes, Axl was interviewed on Stern only twice: the first time Stern called Axl in his hotel in NY on the day of this birthday in February 1989; the second time was when Axl and Sebastian Bach called in from L.A. in the summer of 1990.

[alfierose]

22 minutes ago, jamillos said:

So this is violent sex, right, but not rape. I mean, they continued... 

It's a dubious account in light of this lawsuit and something that's going to be difficult to work around in a legal sense seeing as it's there in print. I think it's fairly easy to make a moral judgement on Axl's behaviour in that story but much more difficult to make a legal one.

I read the paragraph about being dragged across the floor and tied up with her own clothing and thought well I can empathise how in that situation a woman, based on strength alone, doesn't have much option other than to hope it's over quickly, she's not badly harmed  and can make a getaway after. Which is sometimes why women don't fight or outright say no. If it was left at that paragraph that's not too complicated a legal argument to make in her favour. However she then writes the following paragraphs that veto that argument in a legal sense.

If we take the book account as absolute truth (which it may not be for reasons others have pointed out) then it sounds like  a not uncommon situation of someone struggling to deal with being in abusive situations when young. Situations they only processed as abuse when older and out of those circles but wouldn't necessarily meet the evidentiary base for rape charges. It might if reported at the time have resulted in assault charges because fancying someone, being starstruck and even agreeing to sex in the first place doesn't mean battery is part of that or in anyway acceptable.

It's difficult to say what impact this will have on Axl/GNR because this isn't a new story and it's remarkably similar to the assaults that Erin and Stephanie sued over. Particularly what Erin claimed happened to her. All that was in the public domain before the reunion and didn't stop anyone (myself included) buying tickets. Sometimes these things can suddenly take off years after the fact and if a number of other women were to come forward it might become a big problem. Difficult to call it at the moment because there's no shock value here - everyone knows what the rockstars of that era were like.

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

When Axl was younger I think there were a few incidents but they probably got paid off.

I wonder what will happen now?

[Blackstar]

12 minutes ago, Georgina Arriaga said:

Bob Dylan was sued for sexual assault?

Yes, it was last year I think by a woman who said she was 12 when it happened. The lawsuit was quite vague though, and fans found that Dylan was probably in England at the time the lawsuit said the incident happened in New York. I don't know what happened with that lawsuit - I'll look into it.

[Draguns]

1 minute ago, 2020_Intensions said:

You fucking morons don't understand the difference to believing somebody's claims, and a guilty verdict ... Fuck off CLOWN

By her own admission she said that she was ok with it and they had more sex. Do you think that a woman would have sex with him again after being raped? 

When I was a teenager, I was a close friend with a woman. She was 17 and I was 15. She was dating a guy who was slightly older. They had sex. She accused him of rape. Being that she came from a strict Catholic family regarding sex, she was embarrassed about having sex. She was and still is bipolar.  It came out that she lied about being raped and that the sex was consensual. She didn't face any consequences since her father had connections.  I knew she had feelings for me, but I was concerned that she would have pulled something like this on me. 

[Spirit]

Axl's attorney has made a statement to TMZ. Axl says the whole thing is fictional, he has no recollection of ever meeting or speaking to the Plaintiff.

[Manfisman]

The rocker's attorney, Alan Gutman of Gutman Law, tells TMZ ... "Simply put, this incident never happened. Notably, these fictional claims were filed the day before the New York State filing deadline expires."

Gutman continues ... "Though he doesn’t deny the possibility of a fan photo taken in passing, Mr. Rose has no recollection of ever meeting or speaking to the Plaintiff, and has never heard about these again fictional allegations prior to today."

Finally, he finishes with this ... "Mr. Rose is confident this case will be resolved in his favor."

 

https://www.tmz.com/2023/11/22/axl-rose-denies-sexual-assault-claim-penthouse-model-lawsuit/