allwaystired Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 I'd say he's lazy and also has some serious issues around all sorts of things, that have probably led to that laziness. He seems happier though, and I can't begrudge the guy that. I just selfishly want new music, but he's not prepared/willing/able to do that.....but that is what it is. A shame and a waste but his decision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jamillos Posted April 30 Popular Post Share Posted April 30 No matter from which point of view I’ve ever thought about this guy, I don’t think it’s possible for me – or anyone else really – to just fathom his mind-set, or personality in general. I mean, he has to live in a very special kind of bubble. And by this I don’t mean just that classic rock-star business that we probably can very vaguely imagine (the omnipresent fame aspect, chicks in hot tubs, money, not having to work, parties with celebs...). This guy has the balls to do gigs in front of 200 thousand people. Like the Freddie M. thing, yes. Doesn’t rehearse or often attend sound checks, comes hours late while doing god knows what. Then he has studios booked, with musicians sitting in there while he doesn’t show up for months and the money is pouring away. But then he does a gig and nails it and people love him, even when there's nobody else from his heyday music pals in the band. He calls Angus and becomes the singer of AC/DC, with the whole world watching. I think you have to be a bit of a psychopath to pull something like that. He releases an album that became a myth even before seeing the light of day, and then only chats on the internet, never promotes it, and takes a whole year to even start touring it. He knows people grab at every opportunity to see him and yet tends to disappear from the public eye for years, while folks on the internet are left to speculate, analyse 20-year old photos, and download dubious leaks. Sets up social media but barely ever uses them and has at least months’ gaps in those that he does use. Never lets anyone tell him what to do. Drags along his surrogate family with him anywhere he goes, giving off a vibe of a small cult. Doesn’t talk to the media, treats everything as a government top secret, takes years to release anything, and then puts out a questionable tune, to say the least, as the first song. No, I don’t think he’s straight-up lazy (and definitely cannot be characterized by just a single word, whatever that would be), but he definitely is a hell of an idiosyncratic, bizarre, difficult to comprehend, crazy enigma of a character, that’s for sure. 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Towelie Posted April 30 Popular Post Share Posted April 30 What irks me about Axl's lack of productivity is that GNR are my favourite band, bar none, and yet I never listen to them anymore. And I'm sure I'm not alone with that. No band will ever move me the way GNR did and I cherish all four of their proper albums, but it's just such slim pickings. There are bands I don't like anywhere near as much as GNR that I listen to far more regularly, simply because they have a wealth of material to discover. It's a shame. I'd love to look forward to new releases from my favourite band, but life's a shit and rarely gives you what you want. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karice Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 Maybe Axl is like the Student who has a photographic memory, who can study ONCE and get an A+ while other students study for DAYS, and only get a C? 🤔 I don't know if I'm using the right analogy? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 4 hours ago, Towelie said: What irks me about Axl's lack of productivity is that GNR are my favourite band, bar none, and yet I never listen to them anymore. And I'm sure I'm not alone with that. No band will ever move me the way GNR did and I cherish all four of their proper albums, but it's just such slim pickings. There are bands I don't like anywhere near as much as GNR that I listen to far more regularly, simply because they have a wealth of material to discover. It's a shame. I'd love to look forward to new releases from my favourite band, but life's a shit and rarely gives you what you want. Same. There's only so much you can actually listen to such a small catalogue of work, after so many years. My listens to GNR are few and far between now because of that, and yeah, it is a real shame. I listen to bands I like a lot less than GNR a lot more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karice Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 23 minutes ago, allwaystired said: Same. There's only so much you can actually listen to such a small catalogue of work, after so many years. My listens to GNR are few and far between now because of that, and yeah, it is a real shame. I listen to bands I like a lot less than GNR a lot more. Believe it or not, some Fans actually said they think that Guns N'Roses should have stopped after making Appetite For Destruction album and been a one album band. 😵💫 I said something like,"If they had stopped afterwards making Appetite For Destruction album, we wouldn't have IRS, Patience , November Rain, Coma, or Estranged. The Fans replied something like,"I don't like any of those five songs you mentioned, so that would have been fine with me." 😵💫 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jamillos Posted April 30 Popular Post Share Posted April 30 28 minutes ago, Karice said: Believe it or not, some Fans actually said they think that Guns N'Roses should have stopped after making Appetite For Destruction album and been a one album band. 😵💫 I said something like,"If they had stopped afterwards making Appetite For Destruction album, we wouldn't have IRS, Patience , November Rain, Coma, or Estranged. The Fans replied something like,"I don't like any of those five songs you mentioned, so that would have been fine with me." 😵💫 No, they shouldn’t have stopped after AfD. As iconic as that album is, it was the UYI tour that catapulted them to the top of the rock world back then. With Appetite only, I’m not saying they would have been forgotten, but they wouldn’t have been anywhere near the position they finally achieved. What they should have done is settling the differences after a few years, stop bickering like kids, and reunite no later than in 2006 (or even 2002, as long as Axl wouldn’t have had that voice). Instead of that, they wasted another decade. And tempus fugit. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 I mean, there’re still people out there who consider GNR a One Album Wonder. Somebody might say this is their opinion but to me they’re simply wrong. You can’t be a that if you have the UYI LPs in your discography. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardNixon Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 Just look at the GH album. 14 tracks and only three from AFD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karice Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 23 minutes ago, RichardNixon said: Just look at the GH album. 14 tracks and only three from AFD. YIKES. Only FOURTEEN TRACKS on the official Guns N'Roses Greatest Hits album? 🥶😵💫 A Fan made their own Greatest Hits album video and it had like 30 hits on there. 💡🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimiRose Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 18 hours ago, evilfacelessturtle said: Sure, if you ignore the evidence that he was diagnosed bipolar by a doctor. Or are we "ignorant to that fact"? I know a lot of bipolar people. They don't just not turn up to work for 4 years. Or they don't turn up for the really fun attention part of the job and not the hard graft bit, such as rehearsal, practice and promotion. Bipolar would be an excuse then. But it seems to be very selective. All the things no one really wants to do but has to do, axl won't do. Was he diagnosed with selective bipolar? He can be lazy, which he clearly is and still do something he loves occasionally that is hard work, like a long show. The lazy part is the being unrehearsed. Not many people in the world would deny axl is professionally lazy. It's not even a mud slinging thing, he just is. Not sure why 2/3 people here are insistent he isn't. peculiar. All the wild crazy theories out there about the band, this is one of the very few things we can be factual about. And still people won;t have it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimiRose Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 15 hours ago, Illusion1987 said: I wouldn't call someone who hitchhikers from Indiana, to Los Angeles for the sole purpose of being a Rock Star "Lazy". He already had created 'November Rain' and many other songs when he got off the bus. Somewhere along the way he reached his breaking point. The pain vs reward threshold for working on, and releasing new music becane diminishing returns, in his mind, especially since his body could no longer keep up with the music, physically Lol he did that in like 1982 what's that gotta do with now? this has to be one of the silliest points ever made You can be one thing in one decade, and a completely different thing in another. When i was 20 i could run 10 miles in an hour. I'm now in my 30s and it'd probably take me 2 hours! No relevance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunastar Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 By the way, there have been minor changes on Axl's website, a missing quotation mark and copyright changes have been added😂🤣😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAxlMorrison Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 Wish they’re unveil what the damn point of the site is…though I’d imagine a lot of us are hoping for a massive book for late summer reading… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SoulMonster Posted April 30 Popular Post Share Posted April 30 (edited) 31 minutes ago, JimiRose said: Not sure why 2/3 people here are insistent he isn't. peculiar. Because his behavior is better explained by pointing to his insecurities, long periods of depressions, manic periods, and a possible belief that rehearsals do more bad than good. Furthermore, there is nothing lazy about doing 3 hour shows when a lot less would be enough, and stepping in for AC/DC, especially considering Axl's stage fright. And finally, if he was truly lazy and that was a distinct part of his personality which shaped his behavior, that would have been pointed out by people around him, especially when people were attacking him in the media. He has been called all kinds of things, but as far as I can recall, never lazy by anyone he has feuded with. On the contrary, people - including Dizzy, Bumblefoot, Dj, Angus Young and Alan Niven - have made a point about telling about how hard he works. To me it is clear that people who simplify this to Axl being "lazy" are themselves being intellectual lazy. They are either unable or unwilling to accept a much more complex explanation for what they observe. Which is human nature - we simply things so we don't have to deal with complexities that are beyond us, it's a coping mechanism for simpletons to navigate in a world that is too complex. Edited April 30 by SoulMonster 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karice Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 7 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: Because his behavior is better explained by pointing to his insecurities, long periods of depressions, manic periods, and a possible belief that rehearsals do more bad than good. Furthermore, there is nothing lazy about doing 3 hour shows when a lot less would be enough, and stepping in for AC/DC, especially considering Axl's stage fright. And finally, if he was truly lazy and that was a distinct part of his personality which shaped his behavior, that would have been pointed out by people around him, especially when people were attacking him in the media. He has been called all kinds of things, but as far as I can recall, never lazy by anyone he has feuded with. On the contrary, people - including Dizzy, Bumblefoot, Dj, Angus Young and Alan Niven - have made a point about telling about how hard he works. To me it is clear that people who simplify this to Axl being "lazy" are themselves being intellectual lazy. They are either unable or unwilling to accept a much more complex explanation for what they observe. Which is human nature - we simply things so we don't have to deal with complexities that are beyond us, it's a coping mechanism for simpletons to navigate in a world that is too complex. This entire post is a REALLY good point! 🤔💡😀 Worthy of the highest MyGNR Emoji reaction, the dolphin. 🐬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimiRose Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 26 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: Because his behavior is better explained by pointing to his insecurities, long periods of depressions, manic periods, and a possible belief that rehearsals do more bad than good. Furthermore, there is nothing lazy about doing 3 hour shows when a lot less would be enough, and stepping in for AC/DC, especially considering Axl's stage fright. And finally, if he was truly lazy and that was a distinct part of his personality which shaped his behavior, that would have been pointed out by people around him, especially when people were attacking him in the media. He has been called all kinds of things, but as far as I can recall, never lazy by anyone he has feuded with. On the contrary, people - including Dizzy, Bumblefoot, Dj, Angus Young and Alan Niven - have made a point about telling about how hard he works. To me it is clear that people who simplify this to Axl being "lazy" are themselves being intellectual lazy. They are either unable or unwilling to accept a much more complex explanation for what they observe. Which is human nature - we simply things so we don't have to deal with complexities that are beyond us, it's a coping mechanism for simpletons to navigate in a world that is too complex. Axl beating stage fright is the equivalent of an obese guy beating anorexia. He can have other issues, but that doesnt excuse his laziness. Finding a million different reasons to help you avoid the obvious one won't make any difference. he can be lazy and bipolar. he can be lazy and have other issues. doing things he enjoys does not mean he isnt lazy. It's not simplistic. It just is. He can also sporadically putting moments of hard graft and effort. but we are generalising over 30 years. and over those 30 years, he has been professionally lazy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTV88 Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 1 hour ago, JimiRose said: Axl beating stage fright is the equivalent of an obese guy beating anorexia. He can have other issues, but that doesnt excuse his laziness. Finding a million different reasons to help you avoid the obvious one won't make any difference. he can be lazy and bipolar. he can be lazy and have other issues. doing things he enjoys does not mean he isnt lazy. It's not simplistic. It just is. He can also sporadically putting moments of hard graft and effort. but we are generalising over 30 years. and over those 30 years, he has been professionally lazy. No need to argue anymore, apparently the salient point is over everyone’s head. 2 hours ago, SoulMonster said: Because his behavior is better explained by pointing to his insecurities, long periods of depressions, manic periods, and a possible belief that rehearsals do more bad than good. Furthermore, there is nothing lazy about doing 3 hour shows when a lot less would be enough, and stepping in for AC/DC, especially considering Axl's stage fright. And finally, if he was truly lazy and that was a distinct part of his personality which shaped his behavior, that would have been pointed out by people around him, especially when people were attacking him in the media. He has been called all kinds of things, but as far as I can recall, never lazy by anyone he has feuded with. On the contrary, people - including Dizzy, Bumblefoot, Dj, Angus Young and Alan Niven - have made a point about telling about how hard he works. To me it is clear that people who simplify this to Axl being "lazy" are themselves being intellectual lazy. They are either unable or unwilling to accept a much more complex explanation for what they observe. Which is human nature - we simply things so we don't have to deal with complexities that are beyond us, it's a coping mechanism for simpletons to navigate in a world that is too complex. You’re precious 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 I'm not sure if Axl is lazy or not, he's slow to do anything productive. He's not grabbing life by the balls from what I see. He is a peculiar, unique character and I can't imagine anyone else wanting to try and manage him. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karice Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 41 minutes ago, janrichmond said: I'm not sure if Axl is lazy or not, he's slow to do anything productive. He's not grabbing life by the balls from what I see. He is a peculiar, unique character and I can't imagine anyone else wanting to try and manage him. Uh, Fernie manages Axl...💡😏😜😀😉🤭 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfacelessturtle Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 5 hours ago, JimiRose said: I know a lot of bipolar people. They don't just not turn up to work for 4 years. Are they self employed and wealthy enough to go 4 years without income? If they were, who's to say they wouldn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfacelessturtle Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 12 hours ago, jamillos said: No, they shouldn’t have stopped after AfD. As iconic as that album is, it was the UYI tour that catapulted them to the top of the rock world back then. With Appetite only, I’m not saying they would have been forgotten, but they wouldn’t have been anywhere near the position they finally achieved. What they should have done is settling the differences after a few years, stop bickering like kids, and reunite no later than in 2006 (or even 2002, as long as Axl wouldn’t have had that voice). Instead of that, they wasted another decade. And tempus fugit. Imagine if CD was released in 2001, they toured it from 2002-2004 and then reunited for an album in 2006 with Axl's vocal resurgence that year and Slash's riffs that ended up on his solo album. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illusion1987 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 6 hours ago, JimiRose said: Lol he did that in like 1982 what's that gotta do with now? this has to be one of the silliest points ever made You can be one thing in one decade, and a completely different thing in another. When i was 20 i could run 10 miles in an hour. I'm now in my 30s and it'd probably take me 2 hours! No relevance. Please share what you created that was among the top in your industry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 9 hours ago, SoulMonster said: Because his behavior is better explained by pointing to his insecurities, long periods of depressions, manic periods, and a possible belief that rehearsals do more bad than good. Furthermore, there is nothing lazy about doing 3 hour shows when a lot less would be enough, and stepping in for AC/DC, especially considering Axl's stage fright. And finally, if he was truly lazy and that was a distinct part of his personality which shaped his behavior, that would have been pointed out by people around him, especially when people were attacking him in the media. He has been called all kinds of things, but as far as I can recall, never lazy by anyone he has feuded with. On the contrary, people - including Dizzy, Bumblefoot, Dj, Angus Young and Alan Niven - have made a point about telling about how hard he works. To me it is clear that people who simplify this to Axl being "lazy" are themselves being intellectual lazy. They are either unable or unwilling to accept a much more complex explanation for what they observe. Which is human nature - we simply things so we don't have to deal with complexities that are beyond us, it's a coping mechanism for simpletons to navigate in a world that is too complex. I am the laziest guy I know and still go to work every day, always on time. That’s no evidence. Axl being three ours+ on stage or we working months on selected peaces of music doesn’t mean that he’s not lazy. Of course we don’t know him and do not know the true reasons why he decides to release music that seldom. I have no idea if he’s writing a shit load of new music, books or film scores in Malibu. But as long as he doesn’t release shit it’s totally ok to go with the obvious. No need to overanalyse things when someone calling Axl lazy when talking about to releasing music. It’s rather strange to tele diagnosis his mental health without knowing at what stage it is or what medication he’s taking. You just don’t know that shit but stubbornly defending Axl like you always do. It’s Axl, so you seemingly have to 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 9 minutes ago, Free Bird said: I am the laziest guy I know and still go to work every day, always on time. That’s no evidence. Axl being three ours+ on stage or we working months on selected peaces of music doesn’t mean that he’s not lazy. Of course we don’t know him and do not know the true reasons why he decides to release music that seldom. I have no idea if he’s writing a shit load of new music, books or film scores in Malibu. But as long as he doesn’t release shit it’s totally ok to go with the obvious. No need to overanalyse things when someone calling Axl lazy when talking about to releasing music. It’s rather strange to tele diagnosis his mental health without knowing at what stage it is or what medication he’s taking. You just don’t know that shit but stubbornly defending Axl like you always do. It’s Axl, so you seemingly have to 😂 How is it defending Axl to point out that his lack of productivity is better explained by pointing to other mental quirks than laziness, like debilitating insecurity and polar disorder? It is not "overanalyzing" to take everything we know into consideration and providing a nuanced and more fitting explanation than oversimplifying because the alternative is too challenging. The latter is for simpletons who can't deal with the complexity of human nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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