06/23/16 - Detroit - Ford Field (More Pre-Party Info, Pg 10)

[ZoSoRose]

44 minutes ago, A_Random_Hero said:

Who was in the pits and how hard was it to get to the front? Were the VIP'S already in the pits when the regulars came in?

It was very easy getting to the rail let alone a great spot. Get there an hour before doors and youre good

[KeyserSoze]

current state of Ford Field

[Ace Nova]

40 minutes ago, Rovim said:

First of all, it's a hybrid reunion. He kept Fortus, Frank, and Dizzy, while adding Mellisa. Pretty far from a true reunion wouldn't you say? sounds different as well.

Secondly: not sure how do you define moving on bro. Slash and Duff are playing Chinese tunes. Slash and Duf listened to Chinese tunes and liked those according to Axl. Why would he mention that? why even share that he's not sure if Slash will be a part of it but he's open for Slash playing on Chinese tracks? if anything, I think it's still important for Axl to release an album with his tunes in the center of it. He even said that he prefers to first write lyrics and melodies, so most of the musical direction of the next album could still be dictated by his material.

Blind man's laughter.

Ok, let me start off by saying that Nu Guns fans and Axlites have spent the better part of a decade hammering any fan that ever discussed a possible reunion.  Fans that even discussed the possibility were mocked and considered "outcasts" among Nu GnR fans.  I've been here and I've seen it all.  Even now they refuse to call it a reunion when in fact, at the very least, it's an Illusions era reunion of the original 3 classic lineup members.  Yes, the same 3 original classic lineup members are part of this incarnation of Guns N' Roses as were during the entire Illusions tour era (minus a handful of shows at the very beginning).  So stop with all the "this isn't a reunion" nonsense.  And as far as a "reunion" never happening, newsflash, they were all wrong.

 

And that's exactly what I'm talking about when saying that Axl has put all of that behind him.    That entire era was plagued by a "great divide" of classic/Illusions lineup era fans and Nu Guns fans.  Look at the name of the tour, "Not in this Lifetime".  If you can't accept that Axl has brought closure to that era, by the name itself, it's you that doesn't have a clue of what you are talking about, not me, sir. 

This has absolutely nothing to do with abandoning the songs and the music from that era.  CD was a good album, I enjoyed it as did many fans of all eras of the band.  I like the idea that Axl still has music in the vault and the possibility that he will collaborate on new music with Slash and Duff, is awesome.  And that's exactly what it will be....it won't be CD2.  It will be a new G N' R record with music written by Axl.....(like every single other G N' R record ever) ....BUT  with Slash, Duff, etc as well.....huge difference.....if it even happens.  It won't be Chinese Democracy 2.

It's obvious Axl doesn't want to release another Chinese Democracy or else he wouldn't be giving Slash leeway on making the current CD songs his own and he wouldn't care whether or not Slash or Duff "liked" his music.....he would just do his own thing, like he did on CD.  There is a completely different mindset with Axl now.  He has indeed moved on and every fan should be grateful that he has.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2016 by Kasanova King

[ZoSoRose]

1 hour ago, Wagszilla said:

What a great show! 

I'm not sure I can say this was my favorite Guns N' Roses show that I've ever seen but it was the best managed and produced Guns N' Roses concert that I've ever been to without a doubt. 

Outside of Ford Field, there were a myriad of merch trucks, radio stations, local photographers, and a ton of stuff happening at and around the venue. The was a pre-party at The Fillmore, a giant faux spray paint GN'R logo on the side of a nearby parking structure, and a sea of men and women of all ages dressed in GNR merch (most of which was suspiciously new, but I digress). There was an overwhelming feeling of "Guns N' Roses is back" in the air. 

Inside, the security got you through the doors quickly and had about 3 additional security checks before you hit the pit. When the show finally started, the production team did a killer job with the lighting, video packages, and pyro. It looked and felt like a proper tour. For GN'R, it hasn't felt that way since 2006 and even that wasn't to this scale (and I'd argue it damned well better be given the ticket prices). All of these details add up and make for a more complete concert-going experience, not to mention make it easier for hardcore fans to get those coveted spots on the rail.

There was a great energy for pretty much the entire set. The drums were loud and everyone seemed ready to go off the bat. I was beyond excited to hear "Coma" and "Double Talkin Jive" in person for the first time and you could feel a different energy on those songs as opposed to the old stalwarts like "Welcome to the Jungle" and "Nightrain". I've seen a lot of criticism of "The Seeker" but it sounded incredible and the whole band, especially Axl sounded beyond thrilled to be playing it. Frank is hardly my favorite GN'R drummer but he sounded really quite good to my untrained ears. He didn't play the drum breakdown on "Better" though and I was a little bit bummed by that but overall that's a minor complaint. 

The only bump in the road was "This I Love", which I do like, but felt out of place in the set as it's hard to sing along to and stopped the momentum to that point. There also were a couple of technical hiccups that Axl worked through (I can't remember the song TBH but something about not being able to hear himself) and Slash when he broke his guitar string on "Nightrain" and switched up the outro. I can't really speak to the overall crowd energy because my ears were gone as soon as they hit "Jungle" but the reaction seemed quite positive and the house was packed. 

A cool moment was when Axl joked with the crowd about not singing back on "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" and said something to the effect of, "Oh, so you mean, fuck you Axl then...". Then I gave a joking thumbs up which he seemed to catch and then pointed back at me grinning. That's my little fanboy moment of the night.

Miscellaneous notes:

• They briefly played the "Rhiad N' The Bedouins" intro before "Rocket Queen".
• Axl dryly introduced YCBM as a "nice, sentimental love song".
• One of the video packages had imagery inspired the alternate booklet, particularly the "Sorry" artwork by Sandy Yagi with the lizard brain. It was oddly played with "Out Ta Get Me" IIRC.
• Richard had a nice solo on KOHD and The Seeker.
• Duff and Axl wore Detroit-themed t-shirts. Duff's said "Detroit: Where the weak are killed and eaten".
• On KOHD or Nightrain (can't remember), I'm pretty sure that Axl changed hat / bandana combinations at least 3 times. 
• Axl commented how everything in Detroit is deep fried and jokingly suggested he should invest in vegetable oil.
• Jerry Cantrell had a go at Lions fans during the AIC set which was pretty funny.
• @ZoSoRose said with a straight face that he liked Shotgun Blues. WTF. 

More pics of the show: https://www.instagram.com/wagszilla/

No no no i said i DONT like shotgun blues lol!

[KeyserSoze]

 

[KeyserSoze]

http://eddietrunk.com/624-gnr-keifer-whitesnake-jamey-jasta-much-more/

[Pedrolg]

57 minutes ago, Rovim said:

Yeah and it's also cause every singer got their own phrasing. For example Perfect Crime, I.R.S scream which he never even went for live, or Garden Of Eden. Won't find that in AC/DC's catalog. Perhaps Axl said AC/DC tunes were harder to sing cause: 1: he doesn't always sings the hardest Gn'R songs live or at all in some cases and 2: he has a lot of experience with Guns material. A lot of Gn'R tunes are brutal when it comes to range, spaces to breath and also the different ways Axl uses his voice. For example the vacuum sound in Jungle, rasp, switching sometimes from chest voice to head voice for example etc.

The power required to make it sound "right" for Gn'R is also a challenge. Like sometimes Axl will nail the notes but he'll lose power cause it's hard as shit to sing like Coma, YCBM, There Was A Time or Scraped.

There are so many elements in the vocal melodies when it comes to Guns tunes. Your point about time to breath in AC/DC choruses was a very good example.

AC/DC songs are hard as shit too to sing, but it's mostly high as fuck notes and power but the Brian material doesn't require a lot of rasp really which makes it easier at least in that aspect.

This could be right, but then again, he rips through some very hard bits in terms of spacing with AC/DC material. The Shoot to Thrill chorus is relentless in terms of spacing and breathing room, and not really that high pitched, and Axl nailed it every single time with full power and rasp. 
 

At the 2:00 mark, that is hard. Anyway, I'm happy with his voice, I just wish he'd sound like this with GNR. Edit: this is not easier to sing like this than the standard parts of RQ. It just isn't.

Edited June 24, 2016 by Pedrolg

[moreblack]

I like how everybody's an elite pro level vocalist coach expert now. Seriously, how many of you sing?

Edited June 24, 2016 by moreblack

[Fitha_whiskey]

8 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

http://eddietrunk.com/624-gnr-keifer-whitesnake-jamey-jasta-much-more/

"Still waiting on that interview with Axl. Hopefully soon." 

Take it from us Eddie, soon is definitely not the word...

[Rovim]

23 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

Ok, let me start off by saying that Nu Guns fans and Axlites have spent the better part of a decade hammering any fan that ever discussed a possible reunion.  Fans that even discussed the possibility were mocked and considered "outcasts" among Nu GnR fans.  I've been here and I've seen it all.  Even now they refuse to call it a reunion when in fact, at the very least, it's an Illusions era reunion of the original 3 classic lineup members.  Yes, the same 3 original classic lineup members are part of this incarnation of Guns N' Roses as were during the entire Illusions tour era (minus a handful of shows at the very beginning).  So stop with all the "this isn't a reunion" nonsense.  And as far as a "reunion" never happening, newsflash, you were all wrong.

 

And that's exactly what I'm talking about when saying that Axl has put all of that behind him.    That entire era was plagued by a "great divide" of classic/Illusions lineup era fans and Nu Guns fans.  Look at the name of the tour, "Not in this Lifetime".  If you can't accept that Axl has brought closure to that era, by the name itself, it's you that doesn't have a clue of what you are talking about, not me, sir. 

This has absolutely nothing to do with abandoning the songs and the music from that era.  CD was a good album, I enjoyed it as did many fans of all eras of the band.  I like the idea that Axl still has music in the vault and the possibility that he will collaborate on new music with Slash and Duff, is awesome.  And that's exactly what it will be....it won't be CD2.  It will be a new G N' R record with music written by Axl.....(like every single other G N' R record ever) ....BUT also with Slash, Duff, etc.....if it even happens.  It won't be Chinese Democracy 2.

It's obvious Axl doesn't want to release another Chinese Democracy or else he wouldn't be giving Slash leeway on making the current CD songs his own and he wouldn't care whether or not Slash or Duff "liked" his music.....he would just do his own thing, like he did on CD.  There is a completely different mindset with Axl now.  He has indeed moved on and every fan should be grateful that he has.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What are you talking about man? according to Marc, Axl wanted Slash to play on a few Chinese songs in 2001!

It is a reunion, I have no problem of admitting that. But it's not a full reunion. That's just a fact. 3 nu members, 2 old ones, Dizzy Reed, and a ginger.

I'm enjoying every second of Slash and Duff being back in Guns. Why do I even have to state that? you seem to ignore a bunch of important things Axl said recently.

Axl also said it won't be called CD ll. I think it won't be the completed album as it is now. Probably gonna be a mix of both, but mostly Axl tunes from the vault, going by what Axl said and not really a Slash and Duff musical vision. It seems like Axl is saying if they're a part of it great, if they come up with cool ideas, fine, but the next album is still a go with or without them? that's what I took from the Chinese exchange to be honest.

And he's doing his thing. That's exactly what Axl is doing. Can't you see that? it's his thing. He still has the control, while Slash and Duff are basically doing what he wants. Who calls the shots? not much has changed when it comes to who holds the real power, that's just how I think it is.

Edited June 24, 2016 by Rovim

[KeyserSoze]

 

[AxlsFavoriteRose]

2 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

 

I think Axl shows plenty of chemistry toward Slash, it's just that Slashs stage persona is so much more laid back, it's why he likes being in a band with a frontman  

me too LOTS of chemistry. magic!

[Rovim]

5 minutes ago, moreblack said:

I like how everybody's an elite pro level vocalist coach expert now. Seriously, how many of you sing?

Wouldn't it be better if you specifically address the points you don't agree with instead of whatever it is you're implying here? like you even have to be a singer or a guitar player or a cook to know what it is you're talking about. Just a thought, no disrespect.

[AxlsFavoriteRose]

1 hour ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

I've been to many concerts where there were seats on the floor even in stadiums. I just want A/C because it's damn hot here!

Heard GNR came on at 9:45 and rocked it for 2 and a half hours. Yahoo.com gave it a great review! It was awesome to see Axl up front on his feet again!

I love it! Freakin Awesome! Axl and Slash together again!

yeah me too! Slash and Axl makes my heart smile

[Black Sabbath]

When I think about the position we're in as fans and the position the band is in and I still see people arguing about useless things:

 

[AxlsFavoriteRose]

3 minutes ago, Rovim said:

Wouldn't it be better if you specifically address the points you don't agree with instead of whatever it is you're implying here? like you even have to be a singer or a guitar player or a cook to know what it is you're talking about. Just a thought, no disrespect.

are all professional critics trained singers? i think not but people listen to them ( well some people do. )

[KeyserSoze]

[moreblack]

Just now, AxlsFavoriteRose said:

are all professional critics trained singers? i think not but people listen to them ( well some people do. )

And professional critics is a bit of a misnomer in the first place. Not like you have to pass a license test to be able to say whatever you want about art whether qualified or not.

[Rovim]

3 minutes ago, moreblack said:

 Not like you have to pass a license test to be able to say whatever you want about art whether qualified or not.

Precisely lol. Or be a singer to be qualified to talk about singing in detail with integrity.

Edited June 24, 2016 by Rovim

[nikosgnr]

 

[Fitha_whiskey]

I see a picture with Slash playing a Firebird. Anyone know what song that was? I wanna hear what it sounds like...

[AxlsFavoriteRose]

12 minutes ago, moreblack said:

And professional critics is a bit of a misnomer in the first place. Not like you have to pass a license test to be able to say whatever you want about art whether qualified or not.

just saying most of us like what we like.we don't care if a vocal "genius" approves of it

1.  

Edited June 25, 2016 by AxlsFavoriteRose

[Silverburst80]

All is not well in the GNR camp, Axl clearly messes with Slashs amp settings at the 2:30 mark on Out Ta Get Me, Slash catches him at 2:40 and Axl quickly retreats...a sly move.

Edited June 25, 2016 by Silverburst80

[Ace Nova]

16 minutes ago, Rovim said:

What are you talking about man? according to Marc, Axl wanted Slash to play on a few Chinese songs in 2001!

It is a reunion, I have no problem of admitting that. But it's not a full reunion. That's just a fact. 3 nu members, 2 old ones, Dizzy Reed, and a ginger.

I'm enjoying every second of Slash and Duff being back in Guns. Why do I even have to state that? you seem to ignore a bunch of important things Axl said recently.

Axl also said it won't be called CD ll. I think it won't be the completed album as it is now. Probably gonna be a mix of both, but mostly Axl tunes from the vault, going by what Axl said and not really a Slash and Duff musical vision. It seems like Axl is saying if they're a part of it great, if they come up with cool ideas, fine, but the next album is still a go with or without them? that's what I took from the Chinese exchange to be honest.

And he's doing his thing. That's exactly what Axl is doing. Can't you see that? it's his thing. He still has the control, while Slash and Duff are basically doing what he wants. Who calls the shots? not much has changed when it comes to who holds the real power, that's just how I think it is.

I totally agree that Axl is doing his thing.  His "thing" now is much different than what his "thing" was a few years ago.  He comes on stage 2 minutes early now.  He cares about what Slash and Duff think of his music.  He thinks Chinese Democracy should have been "cleaner".  He's ok with Slash making the CD songs his own.  He's cool with Slash and Duff having influence over the setlist.  Everything Axl has done this year shows that he has moved on and has put the past behind him.  "Not in this Lifetime" is the perfect example of Axl moving on to the point that he jokes about it now.  That's huge. 

Axl isn't blind to the fact that he is currently headlining 60,000 seat stadiums @ $300+ a ticket, in the U.S. (hardest country in the world to sell out stadiums for concerts)....when just 2 years ago he was playing residencies in Las Vegas.  He knows the importance of Slash and Duff.... to the extent of him not being sure whether or not to release an autobiography because he doesn't want to cause any undo tension with the band.  So yes, he wants to put out a new record....and he wants to do it no matter what.....and of course he wants Slash and Duff involved. 

 

 

[DeadSlash]

11 minutes ago, Silverburst80 said:

All is not well in the GNR camp, Axl clearly messes with Slashs amp settings at the 2:30 mark on Out Ta Get Me, Slash catches him at 2:40 and Axl quickly retreats...a sly move.

I hear this in a David Attenborough voice.